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there are already built R211A's including the 5 car R211S that are going to be coming in. So expect to see more cars come in at a fast pace. I would start to get footage and last rides on the R46s on the , Got about 18 months or less.

1 hour ago, RandomRider0101 said:

This would explain why the r32s were initially predicted to outlast all r38s, r40s, r42s, r44s & r46s. But even if the MTA stuck with this plan, it would not have gone well due to the constant complaints coming from riders about the SMEES. 

I recall reading many accounts about how before the r160s came, the riders complained about the r46s (long dwell times), the r32s (lack of AC), and the r42s (rust bodies). They never seemed to be satisfied with any of the equipment they had; entitlement at its finest.

The riders' complaints (about the r32s) were more valid since they got stuck with them after the retirement was put on hold.

 

riders never complained about the R46s, They were mad when the ended up losing them to the R32s. the R32s were placed on the due to the dwell times and the fact that when the was diverted to Jamaica Center, Ridership grew.

15 minutes ago, Maxwell179 said:

The last stop for Queens-bound is Queens Plaza - For service, take the or , making local stops

Effective Mar 17, every night, beginning at 9:45 PM

Transfer at Queens Plaza  or 34 St-Herald Sq 

Manhattan-bound service from Forest Hills-71 Av runs as scheduled. 

Reminder: trains do not run in Queens overnight. 

What's happening?

We're modernizing signals on the Queens Blvd Line

 

They are going to start CBTC work east of Union Turnpike so the Lay ups between Union turnpike and 169th are going to be moved over to the Express Tracks between Forest Hills and Roosevelt ave. Because of this the has to terminate at Queens Plaza after a certain time.

People tend to not understand this

The R32s are in way better shape than the R46s body wise, The R46s bodies are shot, It may not seem like it but they are shot and TA knows this. Numerous people who inspect these cars could vouch for this. The only downside for the R32s is their half cabs and other issues. I doubt they will be coming back and the way these retards act, The R32s should stay retired esp after that bullshit that transpired back in late 2021 when they took the train OOS because of how these idiots behaved.

I doubt the R211s would be problematic after almost 2 years of testing. If they Past their 30 day test by April 10th, Then We shouldn't have to worry about any issues. Even if one comes up, They'll have plenty of stored subway cars lying around which would be ether R32s or R46s. They are storing whichever cars are in the best shape until they know the R211s are trouble free and could start sending the remaining stored cars to scrap. 

55 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

It's incredible that some rail fans can't accept the fact that the r32's are retired. They are retired because they needed to be retired. Out with the old, In with the new.

I said it before and I say it again subway riders don't really care if a yard has a high spare factor or not. Subway riders want better service. Keeping the r32's any longer would cause more delays on the lines that would be using them. There has been a huge increase in delays on lines that currently use r46's due to mechanical issues.

What the MTA needs to do is

1. Use the base order of r211's to retire the worst performing r46's (regardless of yard), while CI keeps the best performing r46's until those get indirectly displaced by the option orders of r211.

2. During the weekends have the NQ use the r68's from the B.

Note: the media pretty much confirmed that the base order and first option order of r211's will go to the A, B, C, D. The A will get them first, then the C and then the B/D.

If that information is true, then Jamaica will only get the second option order, which may be 100% open gangway.

 

Besides the Base order and a small chunk of option Order I going to the / , The I doubt would get em because the is based out of Coney Island yard and could get the R160s. The Could (I hope) can get the R211s but they can also get the R160s from Jamaica. I just hope they get the R211s.

The Siemens R160s are probably going to be the first to go since Jamaica keeps mixing them to the point where they had to put a bulletin to not mix the cars and their kinda oddballs even though they are the same type of cars with the propulsion only being the only difference.

2 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Um, no. The R46’s can be retired when the car shortage is over.

Both R211 base and option I orders will fix the shortage. The Base order R211s are the defacto replacements of the R32s that weren't replaced by the R179s and about 40% of the R46 fleet. The Option order cars are the ones that would kill off the remaining R46s. Both Base and Option I is more than enough and would have a surplus of 60 plus cars. Option order II would just be for fleet expansion.

They can retire the R46s starting in April or May if they want to since Option Order I has been approved. 

If everything goes well, By June the will be 50% tech trains.

9 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

My first impression:

The doors weren’t modified at all from the previous NTT’s except to make them bigger. They could have at least extended the window so it doesn’t look “off”.

The windows on the doors are like that because they are the same as the R143/160s. Makes it more easy to swap windows if one gets damaged. Plus it saves money.

my only issue needs to fix is the constant equipment shortages. Thankfully the R211s will fix that. I'm just tired of people getting on others for criticizing the . There are things that they need to fix, Getting rid of shit before replacing them normally is one of the biggest reasons why we have seen service cuts over the years. I hope that ridership does grow because if it doesn't 70% of the R68 fleet knowing TA would be retired by the option order II R211s. also needs to stop caving into political pressure when it comes to subway cars, This is one of the reasons why they killed off the R32s and had to deal with a car shortage. Other systems have their issues but i use this one and they need to stop making the same mistakes that have been done since the 70s. can't afford to keep making these mistakes in 2023 and beyond, people aren't stupid and by NY state and the City trying to force people to take mass transit, They need to up their game.

Also I took the R211s today, Not bad but these retards are annoying as hell, I got off at 59th st and went back home. I'll catch it during the week when most of these clowns are in school.

1 minute ago, Kriston Lewis said:

Someone at 207th Street told me that a railfan who was known "in the community as a troublemaker" started the fight.

It's in service. I think maybe they said that to get the troublemakers off the train. Shortly after the NYPD sorted things out, the train re-entered service. The return trip was more peaceful and had more regular commuters. One of them called the train "european." A few people were confused by the flip up seats. 

One of the reasons why I do these events alone now. Though I wouldn't say no to the idea of a queer railfan group.

it doesn't surprise me at all.

3 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

That's also assuming those were fans/foamers. They could've been regular kids.

just saw the video, it looks like regular thugs vs that one railfan.

35 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

Just heard it's doing a trip to FR.

yeah it was only doing one trip today

i won't make the first trip but hopefully it'll still be out after 6pm if they don't run into issues.

41 minutes ago, IAlam said:

I'm not sure why people are saying the 75' trains can't work out. That whole argument for shorter cars for full-length trains when only the lines 8-car trains are the ones that need the restrictions. The way I see it there is no need for regular B division trains to run on the eastern division in the first place. the 5-car R160s Probably won't ever see service on the Eastern Division just like the 4-car R46/68s. The only real concern should be if the Eastern Division is compatible with the rest of the system. If the MTA ever makes a new order of full-length trains only there is no need for them to be 60'. The only places in the system with restrictions for longer rail cars are the same places with restrictions for the length of the train. 

A 75 foot tech train would be very heavy. That's one of the factors on why they stuck with 60 foot subway cars. 75 foot subway cars don't work no more here. They are horrible at handling crowds and even if they made them with 5 doors, it'll still be an issue with weight. Flexibility is key, 5 car units do visit ENY from time to time for maintenance so its better to buy 60 footers vs 75 foot subway cars. 

“[The videos] show he has easy access. No alarms, no security, no cameras, no anything!”

“He was able to access anything in the trains, the empty cabins, the train stations, nobody [was]  looking. I was so surprised.”

“Don’t get me wrong, my son, he had no business doing what he did. But they knew 10 years ago kids did this so easily,” she said. “My son died. When are they going to do something?”

LMFAO

If they did something, Then she would have said it was racial profiling (I know you have a good chunk of a**hole cops) but there are ones who actually do their job would have been thrown to the wolves.

And They used to go after people for doing shit like this. But because of dumb politicians being laxed on the law, This has gotten much worse than before.

I hate these types of parents with a passion. When they do something stupid like this beat their ass. I'm not for beatings but when teens do something as stupid as this, then they need a good ass beating.

When are parents going to take accountability for their bastards? too many "oh he was a good boy", "he didn't do nuffin", "My child couldn't do such a thing" and etc. they either end up dead or in prison.

When mayor de jackass pretty much cut police funding, ENY R160s started getting hit hard with tagging. The Myrtle cut split didn't help either when they had to store trains on the former northbound side. Before then, The ENY tech train fleet were the cleanest and well maintained pre 2016, they even did a good job on the R32s. They treated the R42s like garbage though.

14 hours ago, RTOMan said:

As a former A Div TO I wouldn’t have a issue with these trains from what I seen from TOs who trained on them… Wild rumor is those two Open Gangway trains are coming to the Corridor…Interesting…. 

It wouldn't surprise me, It makes sense due to the and 's ridership plus they are already cbtc equipped.

17 hours ago, Kamen Rider said:

Eh, probably Schoolcar

from what i heard, it was some sort of signal testing

17 hours ago, Kamen Rider said:

I would be more inclined to belife one of two things.

1: they remove a B car from four different units and transfer it over to a different 4 car unit to make 5 car units, the remaining 3 cars become shuttle trains

 

2: they go the route of the R262 and order dedicated shuttle trains in the R68 replacement order.

There was talk a few years ago about re doing the shuttle again to allow longer cars (probably 4 or 5 car sets),

13 hours ago, Vulturious said:

Two news articles I didn't want to bother creating a new subchat about since it's going to be barried, anyway.

https://www.amny.com/transit/mta-wide-turnstiles-wheelchair-users-subway-stations/

https://gothamist.com/news/mta-urges-social-media-companies-to-remove-subway-surfer-videos-after-teens-death

Only going to be focusing on the second news since I don't got anything to say about the first. I'm honestly glad the MTA is finally getting around to the issue of train surfing, It's one step, but definitely a big step compared to pretty much anything they bothered caring about. The only problem is that it took them way too long to do something about it.

The only way to stop the idiots from train surfing is by throwing them in jail. We got to stop being soft because of the "they are bored and come from bad neighborhoods " argument. All of the animals who do this for fun are retards. Throw em in jail or some type of boot camp. I don't understand these teens to young adults, so much to in the world and yet they decide to surf trains like retards. 

22 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

 Exactly. I think there are already about 60 cars mostly assembled (from a previous post), including the SIR pilot cars. Also, the 20 open gangway cars that have arrived also now need to be modified in-house by the MTA in a similar fashion that the original R211A cars were before they enter service. That makes sense since the cars were delivered prior to all the tweaks made in-house to the pilot R211A train

100 plus cars are built, they were up to 4090 3-4 months ago in that video that just surfaced. once the 300 day test is done (if the train passes) expect to see the R211As come in droves. The R211S should be coming very soon.

17 hours ago, GreatOne2k said:

The will be on 6th Avenue next week on Saturday going to 96 St. The weekday once ran on QB until midnight, it got cut back in 2019, and 6th Avenue service was expanded in 2019 and severely cut back in 2020.

This Cut pissed me off to no end, dealing with the alone after 9pm is a big pain in the ass. Something goes wrong, you are waiting 20-30 mins for the next train. They treat Queens Blvd local rider like pure dogshit. Makes me want to move back to Jamaica.

Then these a**holes have the balls to push for congestion pricing when they cut service every chance they get, This is one prime example on why people go to cars. They need to figure out how to fix these issues because no one shouldn't be waiting for a train that long between 8pm and 11pm. 

the cars look like shit because some morons keep voting for stupid politicians who are laxed on the law and cut funding to certain NYPD departments. Cars keep getting tagged and now they look like garbage even after they are cleaned up. This is the main reason why adding any type of color (like the R211s and coumo R160s) is a bad idea. most of the redone R160s don't even have their wraps no more because they keep getting tagged.

Jamaica Takes care of their R160s. The only cars they barely gave a shit about were the R32s

ENY pre-2016 had the cleanest R160s in the fleet before they started getting tagged a lot more, esp when the was split into 2.

Coney Island started to abuse the ex Jamaica units (9803-9942 group) in the end. I rode one on the and it ran like garbage. Before they took good care of their cars. Coney Island right now isn't the best yard for maintenance anymore. 

Also the 's R142As aren't that bad, I ride them a lot and they aren't bad, the R142s are decent too. When they were on the Westchester never gave a damn about them. Corona has always been good with maintenance, even when the world fair cars were being held together by tape, they still were reliable.

4 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

, , AND trains are all running every 15 minutes this weekend, so if you thought the scheduled waits were bad under the existing weekend schedule, you're in for the ride of a lifetime ride this weekend. This is because all trains are running local in both directions along 4th Avenue in Brooklyn. 

The and are already atrocious as it is (5 tph each, 10 tph total) and the is slightly better (6 tph). Trains have shared the track in one direction before without reducing headways, so this makes me think that there's flagging that's gonna go on there. If so, I expect no time difference between points compared to the normal schedule and for the trains to be downright unreliable. 

Imma make sure to absolutely to avoid the train at all costs. To the train it is. Hopefully there aren't any damn ghost buses on the Q47. 

I can't avoid the since it's the only line that serves my station during the weekends. This shit is going to suck, 15 mins turns into 30 mins. This is why i would welcome the train back on QB because of shit like this

8 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

That’s BS. They can add any CBTC equippment to any NTT stock. 8th Ave does not “need” the R211’s because of CBTC. It can get the R143, R160, or R179.

LMAO, The R143s can't run on any other CBTC line since their kits are restricted to the line along with R160A-1 8313-8376. There was one time that they ran one of those R160s on the last year but it was only that one time and i never saw that group appear again on the .  You CAN run non CBTC equipment in CBTC territory. I was on one of the trains last week where the CBTC wasn't working so it ran in bypass mode and we had to go at a certain speed since the wayside signals are far apart.

Some of you guys are really showing your true colors when it come to the R211s going to the and . It's like you guys can't handle the fact that 2 lines that have been screwed for 3 decades by getting leftovers is getting hundreds of fresh new subway cars on top of getting it's signals upgraded. 

Y'all sound over entitled and salty that now the and will get leftovers now. BMT south isn't getting CBTC anytime soon. The majority of the IND is which means lines like the   need to be 100% tech trains. The and is better off getting new cars because besides the R179s which is a small amount due to the fact that it had the oldest subway cars (R32s for 2 decades) and the fact that the R46s are the majority of the line fleet. CIY has the R46s,R68 and R68As. When Concourse gets tech trains, Those R68s will go to coney. Coney will get tech trains for the .

So regardless of how y'all feel, The and will still be dominated by R68s during the peak hours. Also the Spare factor for R68s would grow due to the additional option order II R211s.

Also It wouldn't make no damn sense to give the leftover R160s. The on the other hand is a grey area.

5 hours ago, biGC323232 said:

I know...lol....I now live in nj but have a daughter in queens that i go see about 15-16 days out the month...all i take is lirr to see her....i only use the subway when i visit in BRKLYN...But at the time bout 15-16 years ago i lived on 122av and guy brewer and work in midtown and i always missed that 1230am Q111 from JC cause that 1130  took more than an hour crawling in between stations ...always arrived around 1240 1245 1247 etc....I got fed up and started to take the next Lirr to Jamaica....Or when i was broke short on money use the  to the  at bway jct....

Taking the late night was always a bitch. I remember when i used to head home with my friend after a day of fanning and he would miss the last N4 which sucked (Back then around 2010-2011, The last N4 left Jamaica around 1am and the next one was around 5:30am) and i would have to stay out all night since i would swipe him on the bus since i only had one unlimited and didn't have enough for the LIRR. This how we cranked out those old Super Subway Bros. videos back then. 

1 hour ago, Lawrence St said:

How is that costly? The R44 and R46 use relatively the same base cab and all they would have to do is install the cab signal equipment.

It's no point in doing it when the cars could retire 2 and a half years from now. It would be a waste of money and the R46s are tired, It wouldn't make a difference. Years ago they did have a plan to send r46s out there to replace the R44s but they decided not to which imo was dumb. But if they did, They would have had to keep a larger chunk of R32s for those displaced R46s.