R32 3838

1 hour ago, GojiMet86 said:

That is what I deal with when I come back from work. Two weeks ago there was a very bad night where I waited 20 minutes for any Astoria train, while seeing about seven  trains pass by. I've often missed both trains, then I have to wait another 8 minutes for the next batch of trains, the first which is usually stuffed.

What also sucks is the upper level only has one countdown clock dedicated for the Astoria lines, and it is right around the north end of the northbound 4th car position (a 75-footer). However, there are about 4-5 for the . Anyone who wants to check the time has to walk to find the lone Astoria countdown.

The work in the 4th ave area is one of the main reason why service is garbage. The is just as bad and when you have trains running express in one direction in queens, It's even worse. Yesterday there was a 30 min wait for the train after one left, I said screw it and took the LIRR to grand central from forest hills. Things like this makes me miss living in Jamaica, I might even move back or live close to it.

As for the train, It was to be expected for outages between February and early April since there is no baseball and etc. I just wish they did a better job trying to keep the service like the as decent as possible when they do these outages.

2 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

I don't know why the B train is being treated as a useless line.

Yes, right now, it's a part time line, just like the W.

If the W got r160's, the B can get r211's.

The B will need NTTs regardless if it's r211's or r160's due to CBTC.

IMO the r211's should represent the opportunity for service on the B to be revamped. The B needs to run between Bedford Park and Brighton Beach from 5am to 11pm , Monday to Friday.

Once CBTC is done, the B needs to also run during the weekends between 145th and Brighton Beach to provide more weekend local service on CPW and provide weekend express service on Brighton.

The got the R160s because it shares its northern terminal with the so it made sense that the and share equipment. The doesn't have this issue so it wouldn't make sense to give the R211s unless it sharing the fleet with the and . regardless of R160s or R211s the will have the majority of the tech fleet but it would share with the and since CI would get more than 250 tech trains. The would be the one stuck with R68s while the and would be both R68s and tech trains. Someone will get leftover cars in the end and it's really a toss up between Coney and Concourse. One of these yards are getting either R160s or R211s.

3 hours ago, VIP said:

I love the little theories and the endless back and forth that y’all do in regards to car assignments meanwhile most of y’all don’t work in RTO or car equipment to be so high strung and aggressive with your theories. It’s quite funny but a bit concerning on second thought.

Carry on though. 😂😉

People are getting uptight about the speculating but it's not that serious. No one is insulting anyone and as long no one is doing that, It shouldn't be an issue. Railfans are going to speculate but in reality there's really nothing to speculate when the entire IND has to be CBTC equipped tech trains so the and along with the and will need to be 100% tech. It's only the question regarding Jamaica on if they will stay 100% R160s or if they will lose 50% of them and where would those displaced R160s go.

23 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

I think the full assignment of all cars if the R211 order doesn’t get 8-car trains, should be:

500 cars for the  (and Rockaway ), including spares - 15 cars for the  and 485 cars for the  (390 cars to make service and 95 cars as spares)

240 cars for the  (180 cars to make service + 60 spares)

370 cars for the  (290 cars to make service and 80

cars as spares)

320 cars for the  (250 cars to make service and 70

cars as spares). 
** 1430 cars total so far*
 

75 SIR cars = 1505 cars total so far. - 107 cars still available to supplement fleet.

 

Notice that the R179s are not on this list for the  Since in this case, the R179s can join Jamaica (10-car trains to make the 13 trains needed for the , while it’s R160s buff up the spare factor for the  by 2 trains each; 8-car R179s go to the  and all 8-car R160s are only for the ). Additional Canarsie CBTC service can be provided by adding R160A cars 8377-8408 or 9943-9974 to the  fleet and leaving all remaining R160As for the . The  would use any spares not used in  service to supplement the R179s. 
 

But if the  doesn’t yet get 10-car units, and the  each give up one train as a spare (assuming all 1600+ cars are ordered) don’t be surprised if 6 Av CBTC can be completed with just this order of cars since then the  could be fully covered with NTT trains for 6 Av reroutes, unfortunately leaving the  as the only route capable of running the R68s

For the last time, Jamaica is NOT getting R179s. The R179s will stay where they are. A chunk of R160s MIGHT not stay at Jamaica. The R179s are also for 8th ave CBTC and also can run on the once the CBTC kits are installed on the ENY R179s.

You clearly don't get it, You clearly made these assignments so Coney island could get the R211s. R179s at Jamaica would be a complete waste and the fact that 207th could house the 10 car units with the a small fleet of option order I R211s would make more sense while the 8 car units could go to ENY for expanded service. The could get R160s from Jamaica while Jamaica gets a chunk of R211s which would make more sense regarless if they are open gangway or not.

3 minutes ago, U-BahnNYC said:

Seems pretty plausible. 

We know the and will definitely get the base order plus most of option 1. The remainder of option 1 very likely will go to either the or the since those lines use 8Av a lot, as will all of option 2. 

I just don't see the 5-car R160s returning to Coney Island as long as any R46/R68 remain on the , largely for fleet simplification at the Yards. It's much easier for Jamaica to remain 100% R160, Concourse to become all R211 and have Coney Island be a mix of R68 / R211. 

So unless more R211s are ordered to replace the R68, the entire  can be R211 once all options are delivered. 

This, of course, gets complicated by the  because ideally the  remains 5-car R160s from Jamaica, or as you point out, give Jamaica the 5-car R179s from Pitkin solely for running on the . 

It makes more sense for Jamaica to get a piece R211s due to the fact they have bigger doors and would benefit the   and  .  Subway car swaps happen all the time and this would be no different.  People just want them at Coney Island for political reasons. The doesn't need R211s, It's a part time line. You're better off giving the the R160s since they already between 13-18 years old

Also for the R179s, It's better off just having them at 207th and ENY, It makes more things simple since both yards already have parts and etc.

Plus if the cars are open gangway, Why in the hell would anyone would want them in the southern BMT which has way less ridership than the and

56 minutes ago, RandomRider0101 said:

 

It was said before that 207th st yard is/was so ancient that they could only fit 8 car trains, and required an upgrade so that they could fit full length 10 car trains.

Not sure how true this is, but based on VIP's response that seems to not have been the case.

The Barn can't fit a full 600 foot train but this wouldn't stop them from getting 5 car (10 car units) as they can inspect 5 cars in each track on top of other equipment such as work cars and museum cars.

12 minutes ago, Bill from Maspeth said:

For what was the occasion?

From what i heard is some sort of training if i'm correct.

42 minutes ago, Kamen Rider said:

if that was true they wouldn't have trialed the V as the 63rd street service. Before the connection opened they ran full weekday rush hour service on the Queens corridor to test things out with the V as the 63rd street line and the F staying via 53rd. 

 

part of the reason it got the kybosh was the G. sending the V via 63rd and the R using the cut meant only the F and E would make the transfer at court square. meaning if you were going from Stienway street to Nassau Avenue, that's an extra transfer you need to make. 

The main reason for switching the via 63rd st was due to crowding at lex and 53rd. A lot of riders were pissed off about the change as they lost their one seat ride to transfer to the Lexington ave line. That free Metrocard transfer didn't mean much when you have to take up to 3 escalators to the mezzanine and then walk 3 blocks. But all these changes made the    even more packed and they added some more trains with some select trains leaving from 179th which did help in a way for those hillside riders who wanted the train. Now since the goes to 96th st, Lex and 63rd is a decent station if people want the upper east side.

25 minutes ago, FLX9304 said:

You have 3400-4059 as option 1 numbers, shouldn’t it 3400-4039 since 4040-4059 belong to R211T? Ok. Now I see they wanna start SIR’s R211s with 100s instead of overlapping with the older TA’s numbers like yesteryear’s fleets. SIRT had 400-466, then got 388-399 from the TA in 1990. These cars were the only ones that was not renumbered into the 52/53/54xx when they were rebuilt 

Damn that''s another mistake on my end. I meant to put 439 but typed 4059 by mistake

1 hour ago, R32 3838 said:

Yeah that's what i meant, i keep forgetting that the numbers start from 0-4,5-9

It looks like the R211S would be 100-174, Looking closely that's car 100.

 

Also I do think the Op 1 cars would start at 3400 since the R32's are no longer in the system and any that is for work service would have 1 added to their numbers like the 10 former work cars. Op II I believe would start from 5210-5609 or 4500-4904, 4905-4937 (8 car units)

 

So The R211 numbers could be this :

Base Order: R211T: 4040-4039

Base Order R211A:4060-4499

Base order R211S: 100-174

Option Order I: 3400-4039

Option Order II: 4500-4904 (5 car units) 4905-4937 (8 car units)

 

This would be the most realistic unless option order I starts at 4500-4999 (500 cars) 3400-3539 (140 cars) or 5205-5344

5345-5749, 5750-5782 would also be open with option order II since all the R46s would be gone by then. So it's a toss up with the R32 numbers or former R44 and R46 numbers.

 

The whole point of the pilot set is to troubleshoot all the issues so they can apply the fixes to the production cars. They pretty much built the production cars before the pilot set entered service so this way if the pilot car issues are fixed, They'll do the fixes on the fly on the first 40-60 production cars built on NYCT property most likely.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited for Corrected numbers

3 hours ago, FLX9304 said:

You mean 4070-4099. They’re in 0-4 & 5-9 format, similar to the first 40 R179s 3010-3049. 

Yeah that's what i meant, i keep forgetting that the numbers start from 0-4,5-9

It looks like the R211S would be 100-174, Looking closely that's car 100.

Also I do think the Op 1 cars would start at 3400 since the R32's are no longer in the system and any that is for work service would have 1 added to their numbers like the 10 former work cars. Op II I believe would start from 5210-5609 or 4500-4904, 4905-4937 (8 car units)

So The R211 numbers could be this :

Base Order: R211T: 4040-4059

Base Order R211A:4060-4499

Base order R211S: 100-174

Option Order I: 3400-4059

Option Order II: 4500-4904 (5 car units) 4905-4937 (8 car units)

This would be the most realistic unless option order I starts at 4500-4999 (500 cars) 3400-3539 (140 cars) or 5205-5344

5345-5749, 5750-5782 would also be open with option order II since all the R46s would be gone by then. So it's a toss up with the R32 numbers or former R44 and R46 numbers.

2 hours ago, U-BahnNYC said:

So with all these production cars sitting around, what's stopping a different set from doing a 30-day test? I mean the pilot was the first to be built so of course it's going to have the most issues. 

The whole point of the pilot set is to troubleshoot all the issues so they can apply the fixes to the production cars. They pretty much built the production cars before the pilot set entered service so this way if the pilot car issues are fixed, They'll do the fixes on the fly on the first 40-60 production cars built on NYCT property most likely.

This video is from 3 months ago so i would expect 4101 to at least 4140 to be also built. These cars 4070-4100 (30 cars) will be on property as soon as the 30 day test is done.

highest numbered car i see is 4100 next to 4088.

2 hours ago, Calvin said:

4228 and 4600: fareboxes removed ex. Flatbush units. No longer in service and not part of MTA Bus

those COULD get transferred to MTA bus. They always switch fareboxes.

3 hours ago, R68ACTrain said:

Given it is the oldest R179, it's been through alot.

It's the fleet in general, Gotta remember that they use the R179s a lot on the and they try to keep the majority of the fleet out 24/7 since it's the newest cars on that line which is still not enough, The R211s will fix this problem.

12 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

R211A 4085 is hiding in the back of this advertisement which means they’ve got at least 20 cars already done.

 

Once the first set pass it's 30 day test, These will be all on property (20 plus cars) by the late spring-summer of this year. SIR cars should be coming any moment between now and march.

4 hours ago, Vulturious said:

Probably be better if the  was sent local along QBL all other times outside of weekdays, the  can't run along Forest Hills without extra crews along with having extra trains to cover. It's better off running to 96 St instead for extra 6 Av service. 

That won't be easy making the local on weekends (normal weekend service). The riders would bitch and rightfully so. The needs to comeback to Queens Blvd Nights and Weekends, Most people would get off at Roosevelt or Queens Plaza to transfer for an express train anyway. It sucks just having the running on weekends without a 2nd option.

20 hours ago, Princelex said:

The 3rd Option Order wasn’t approved because the MTA was in the middle of a fiscal crisis in 2010 & that was the same time those infamous service cuts with the subway & buses took place. I remember when that news came out and I was very disappointed that we weren’t getting anymore R160’s. 

I know, Albany could have still footed the bill though, Even for just an additional 132 cars (100 5- car sets) (32 4 car sets) it would have been better than nothing and the could have been 100% full length by giving more R46s to the . R32/42s would have still been completely replaced by the R179s and would have been all 5 car units instead of the config. that we have now but i thank god that we got an additional 16 cars to make the   have 130 cars instead of 40. I wish they would have gotten another batch of free B cars for the break apart to make more 8 car units into 10 car sets.

Speaking of the R179s, I rode one on the today. It wasn't the same as the last time i rode it, 3014 rode a bit rough. They are really giving them a workout, I just hope they figure out the issues of the R211s because they are really needed for service and the really needs more cars.

49 minutes ago, RandomRider0101 said:

I know what you mean, but I'm talking about in the sense of a 1 for 1 replacement. Prior to the R179s, the B-division had even less cars available to use; the 179s provided a slight increase in car availability. It may not have been enough overall, but it was still an increase. They had enough cars to wipe out the SMEES, regardless of low car availability.

We know that when certain groups of ppl speak out on transit related issues, the is more likely to listen. Well in this case, the unions & politicians spoke out on behalf of riders who said "we want the R32s gone"; the MTA listened and changed their plans accordingly. We can debate all day on whether we think it was the right or wrong decision, but at the end of the day it was a final decision that was made and will remain unchanged.

Passengers shouldn't have to choose between better service and brand new modern equipment. But we're constantly put in positions where we have to make these choices due to the MTA and everyone else's poor decisions. Riders wanted the oldest cars gone, and you can't fault them for that. Average riders don't know about spares and car availability, but they sure know about ancient cars. They also don't know that subway cars take a long time to plan out, build, deliver, test and approve for service; not to mention delivery delays that can come up at any point, like what's been happening over the past decade and is still going on now.

Most of the blame for these issues is on the MTA not because they retired the R32s, but because of all the past decisions they made that caused the 32s to be in service for so long, while still not ordering enough cars to prepare for future increases. They finally got it right with the R211 order; we just need the cars to be reliable and everything else will work itself out.

I agree 100% on that part, But also blame Albany, There were talks of doing an Option Order III for the R160 order in 2010 to pretty much replace the void of the R44s and retire the R32/R42 fleet but they didn't go with it which I'm shocked. The R179s would have just been for fleet expansion or to replace anything that didn't get replaced. The R142S (r142A) Supplemental order they did granted it was just 80 cars with the last 10 cars  (7801-7810) being delivered in February of 2005 if I'm correct due to correcting a shortage of cars. 80 R33MLs were sidelined for service just in case anything went wrong but instead they never went back in service, most of them became work cars (refuse motors) and 14 cars (12 cars) became which would become  the Train of many colors. 8950/51 was also saved but they turned that pair into rider cars, these were the last pairs to be converted to rider cars.

I just wished the R179s were mostly 10 cars instead of 8, This would have allowed them to get more 8 car R211s for ENY since those cars would have been better off for the due to it's larger doors and the parts would have been shared since half of the parts of the R211s are the same as the R143 and R160s. The R179s use different parts.

26 minutes ago, RandomRider0101 said:

You kinda answered your own question here. Why would they keep ancient cars that were almost pushing 60 years in service, when the ridership really didn't and still doesn't warrant it?

Aside from the ridership, the R32s were already planned to be fully retired before COVID hit us & subsequently caused ridership to plummet. It was multiple reasons not just one; the lower ridership was just an extra nail in the coffin.

In the end, the R179s finished what the R160s couldn't, which was wipe out the remaining SMEES. Now that we've finally moved out of that era, we can focus fully on the next new era of trains coming in (the R211s), which will provide the extra cars needed for fleet expansion.

R179s didn't replace all the R32s. The R211s are the replacements of the remaining ones that were on paper planned to retire in 2022 (which in turn they did, They only sat in storage from 2020-2021 when the decision was to retire them.)  The plans changed due to politics which in turn the was going to see a reduction in service which the former governor signed on and then covid hit which was the nail in the coffin. 

R179s really replaced the void that the R44s that didn't get replaced by the R160s as well as replacing all of the R42s and half of the R32 fleet. The R211 order both base and Option order I is fixing the shortage by replacing R46s and fulling the void of the already retired R32s and a surplus of extra cars .

We can't keep on letting scrap subway cars without proper replacements, Because just like in 2010, We will be waiting 7 to 10 years to fix the shortage of cars again which in this day in age isn't a good idea. This is why other systems around the world is better than ours, they don't do shit like that.

3 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

Any typical commuter who rides the subway every day to/from work doesn't give a damn if a train yard has a high spare factor. All they care about and they demand frequent subway service.

To those who complain about how bad the r46's are were obviously not around when the redbirds were running in the 90's. Those were in my opinion the worst subway fleet that I've ever ridden. I rode them on the C in the early 90's and I rode them on the 2 and 7. The lights were always flickering. It didn't have air conditioning and water leaked inside whenever it rains. The r42's and r32's retired in much better shape than the redbirds.

Waiting 20-30 mintues for a or train due to an equipment shortage in 2022 is unacceptable, That's the issue. Unlike CI yard, The and really don't have a back up.

It's not like the 80s which was worse but things shouldn't be the way they are today esp with today's political climate. People want better service but complain about the older subway cars. Then caves in and thus we have a shortage of cars. Thats my issue.

5 hours ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

The MTA always seems to never catch a break with being stuck with a bunch of old failing equipment while the new equipment is delayed. My question is if the R46’s are doing so terribly why not cut the  again to increase the spare factor? Now I know that isn’t a popular option but from what I read on here some of y’all make it seem like any day the R46’s could just break and fail completely. When I take the R46’s they seem to run the same way they did when they were on the  but then again I don’t take the subway nearly as much as I used to before 2022 .Then I would boost Q102 service in Queens so that riders can transfer to the   and  at Queens Plaza.  

That is why I hope as soon as all the R211’s have been delivered that they go ahead and start planning replacements for the R68/R68A’s. Yes they are about a decade newer and are holding up but personally I wouldn’t wait until almost 2040 to replace them. The MTA needs to see if they can push get them retired in the early 2030s in my opinion. It ends up costing the agency more money trying to fix up these old cars when their MDBF drops.

There's no need to cut the train, It wouldn't really help, CI has the R68s to fall back on. Yeah it's still a small spare factor but weekends and nights there are plenty of R68s laid up that they can use. The and barely has anything and the amount of R179s doesn't help, The is dominated by R46s and the at least is 60/40.

27 minutes ago, Kamen Rider said:

There is a saying "Correlation is not causation". The 46s are not unreliable because the 32s are gone, the 32s weren't exactly perfect ether. 

Yeah but before they retired, The R46s weren't that bad since the was mainly R32s and R179s and the had plenty of R46 spares which some could have went to Coney. Once they retired the R32s, The reliability went down since they barely had spares,That is a fact. Pitkin's R46s were a hit or miss but they weren't that bad until they started throwing them on the . The and has to share the R46s and out of pitkin's fleet, There's only 4 to 5 set spares plus a pair. That's not enough since the majority of the line is still R46s. This is one reason why the is stupid for making the R179s mostly 8 car units. Had it been the other way around, This wouldn't be an issue since the would have more R179s vs R46s. The R32s could have stayed on the and (50 cars) and they could have sent more R179s to the to increase the spares but covid happened. This is why the R46s are unreliable. Then you add the CIY R46s which run on the   and 24/7 along with the and you would see why the R46s run like garbage. When the and had half of the R32 fleet, ENY also had the R42s, R143 and R160s meaning the and had a very high spare factor and why they were able to run the R32s 24/7 with barely any issues.

All is this is 's fault due to poor planning, All of this wouldn't be an issue if they made logical decisions. Their stupidity is why the R32s lasted 58 years and why we still have equipment shortages in 2023. 

But as the R211s go in service without issue i hope, All of these issues would be fixed and the entire R46 fleet would be retired within 3 years since option order I has been awarded.

43 minutes ago, JustTheSIR said:

Why tf did the MTA cut out the R32s because 2 years of low ridership anyway?

Politics, Covid and the fact that ridership was low in 2021, They said screw it which makes sense. The R211 was on property already and they thought the R211s would be in service by 2022 which by then the R32 fleet wouldn't be needed which IMO was a mistake because supply shortages and teething issues have delayed the R211s from entering service. But just about half of the R32 fleet that were replaced by the R179s were going to get scrapped regardless. The original plan was to use the parts from the scrapped cars onto the remaining fleet until 2022 and the   spent money rehabbing the remaining R32s to run until 2022 before Covid hit.

7 hours ago, Kamen Rider said:

The 68/As are more well behaved trains on the whole… the only problem from my perspective is their super narrow cabs (I often leave my stuff in the alternate cab so I can move around easier).

 

if we had the capacity to, we would have started chucking the the 46s already. Their parts are wearing thin and the delays on the 211 order is all that is keeping them running.

 

some of the things I’ve heard from supervision… it’s not good.

 

could be worse… but it’s not good.

This is what happens when the agency don't think with logic, A good portion of the R46s have very bad floors and the reason why they are unreliable because they chugged the R32s prematurely thinking the R211s would be in service in 2022 (it made sense at the time since ridership was low in 2021). The and has equipment shortages because of it on top of the crew shortage.

You add them being on the and 24/7 and you see why they aren't doing great.

And you add the R211 issues and supply shortages and it makes things worse.

51 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

It’s not the amenities they’re complaining about, it’s the breakdowns.

The lines still have it worse esp the since it only has 13 R179s and has to share it's R46 spares with the . The and at least have the R68s to fall on and a very small spare factor and laid up trains at Coney if they really need anything. The / has nothing and 65% of the missing and trains are due to the lack of equipment since the R46 spare factor is very low for the / combined. This one one of the reasons why the 50% of R32 fleet were planned to stay until the first R211 would enter passenger service until politics and covid threw those plans in the trash.

I just think Coney doesn't want to deal with the r46s in hopes of Car equipment changing their minds to give them a piece of the R211 order which i doubt would happen.

Politics can't get in the way of CBTC, It's been proven. Coney Island yard will still need tech trains for the , This is why it makes sense for Coney Island to get the R160s back because the majority of the R160s would be for the . The remaining would likely be on the / along with the R68s while the is nothing but R68s with maybe 1-3 sets of tech trains.

The however will need tech trains. As much as I would hope for concourse to get the R211s, It wouldn't surprise me if they gave concourse the R160s from Jamaica instead while Jamaica would get the majority of the R211 order since on paper the and even the has higher ridership and would want both the / to be 100% R211s and in order to make that happen including putting them on the they would need about 800-840 R211s in total. But I still think the would get a whole new fleet and the R211s would be perfect for the alone due to it's heavy ridership and the reliability would go up due to cut dwell times because of more doors (40 doors) vs the 32 on the R68s.

5 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

But he does kinda have a point,  and  rider complaints about the R46 car class has gone up considerably.

They can live, Again the and riders has has old shit for 30 plus years and never gave a shit until a certain group of people starting moving into brooklyn. and riders had to watch other lines get new equipment throughout the years. R160B 9803-9942 were planned to go to the line in 2009 and they were training crews to be R160 qualified back in 2009 until they decided to just give that batch to Jamaica. Still to this day that I still think Rockaway power bullshit was just a way to keep the tech trains off the until they were forced to get them (R179s).

1 hour ago, Lawrence St said:

Anyone know what the story is with the R32 that got sent to Florida?

Its for the Department of Defense

3 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

Cars can go up to 4999 or as low as 3328. Can’t wait for these R211s to hit service - these F*** R46s are driving me up the wall and the effort I have to make to avoid them on the  and  lines, which is worse since these are the two lines I take to get to work.

Dude it's just a train. If you have a job, Why would you try to avoid a certain car class? Any normal person who is going to work would get on the first train that comes. It's not that serious, Yeah the train run like shit but they aren't going anywhere yet and the last majority won't be gone until 2-3 years tops.

53 minutes ago, T J Trainman said:

Perhaps CS and JAM should swap  their Novas and Excelsiors…… 

It wouldn't surprise me if this happens but I don't think Jamaica should lose their xcelsiors. The LFS is the better bus but it's only flaw is the crowd control. 90% of CS routes are crowded and the XD40s do a better job at handling crowds vs the 40 foot LFS. But with the current config. of seating, crowd control should be improved on the LFS.

1 hour ago, darkstar8983 said:

Nope! don't count on seeing  trains via Queens Blvd - most likely the  will not run between Times Sq-42 St and Ditmars Blvd (which has been done before - just use some shuttle buses and done).

It can happen, It'll just be R160s from Jamaica running on the . It'll either be trains replacing trains in queens or both / running together. The Shuttle train between Astoria and 39th ave is close to the 36th st station, They want people to transfer via a block ticket to 39th ave from 36th st hence the running on queens blvd to avoid confusion.

With all the BS going on in NYC, A C/R is necessary. It's not killing y'all if we have conductors. There are other things that the needs to cut cost on like management. Too many supervisors and etc. from the top to start. 

Try having OPTO on the line or on queens blvd. You would need platform conductors to try to control the crowds, So getting rid of conductors wouldn't save money regardless. 

I don't see an issue with the merge at 59th between and trains since those are switches that trains can go about 25mph over. The Hoyt merge kinda sucks but that can be modified if they built a high speed switch.  Canal St is the only issue as it causes delays to all 3 and lines which could be corrected.

A good chunk of you guys lack common sense and think everything has to be de interlined when its completely normal for routes to merge. There are certain things that do need to be corrected but not everything should de interlined just for the sake of it. Railroads have routes that merge but it works because trains do not go 10mph over switches that you can go 20-30mph on. All of these changes you guys are proposing costs money that we all know they don't have. And if were up to me, The only 2 junctions that would be corrected would be dekalb with a new 4 track underwater tunnel connecting Broadway and 6th ave lines and the rogers junction which was going to be corrected and was in the planning stages before the pandemic hit. 

Broadway can get corrected

8th ave can be corrected

These 2 wouldn't hurt because its very simple and much cheaper esp Broadway. Just have the   and serve Queens while the / serves 2nd ave. This eliminates the merging point at 34th st and keeps the express trains on their own tracks.