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Service Alert 4 and 5 train

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Service Alert

 

Posted on:9/16/2008 10:39:17 AM

 

Following an earlier incident,(2) and (3) train service has resumed with residual delays.

 

Also, due to an ongoing switch problem at the Bowling Green Station, Bowling Green-bound (5) trains are running to the Atlantic Avenue Station. Crown Heights-bound (4) trains are running with delays.

 

Please expect delays in (4) and (5) train service at this time.

 

Why are they using Atlantic Ave. as a terminal. Shouldn't they use Utica or Flatbush. This would affect (4) trains trying to get to Utica.

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Why are they using Atlantic Ave. as a terminal. Shouldn't they use Utica or Flatbush. This would affect (4) trains trying to get to Utica.

 

Flatbush Avenue is the terminal for the (5) train during rush hours, some (5) terminate @ Utica Avenue during some limited rush hours to ease congestion from Flatbush Avenue. Atlantic Avenue used to be mid-day terminal for the (4), since the (5) having problems @ Bowling Green they send it to Atlantic Avenue since its a turn around!

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What they probably made sure to do, is have the (5) right behind the (4), the (5) goes into Atlantic, and have the crews ready at the other end to take the train right back out of Atlantic.

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Flatbush Avenue is the terminal for the (5) train during rush hours, some (5) terminate @ Utica Avenue during some limited rush hours to ease congestion from Flatbush Avenue. Atlantic Avenue used to be mid-day terminal for the (4), since the (5) having problems @ Bowling Green they send it to Atlantic Avenue since its a turn around!

 

I remeber when the <4> had atlantic ave as its last stop during the midday hours! It was an cool G.O seeing R62's layed up between grand army plaza and bergen st mantthan bound.

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Ah...the Brooklyn IRT always being filled with delays.

Could they try the (3) from New Lots Avenue, the (5) from Crown Heights, the (2) and (4) from Flatbush Avenue, and eliminate the ridiculous terminal-swapping scheme?

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There are a lot of things that would have to happen for that to work.

 

Here are the issues:

 

(1): You need a full time train from each route, one from the west, the other from the east.

 

(2): You need to have the northbound terminal for the (3) or (4) trains to have more trains up there in that yard. With the (4) it could be possible with an extension to Concourse Yard. The (3) it is pretty much impossible. You can't have the (3)(4) terminating at Flatbush Avenue without it, which is why in 1983 the (2)(3)(4)(5) switched in the first place.

 

Under your proposal there, the (3)(4) would head to Brooklyn late nights, and the (2) would terminate at Times Square, which could work, except that the (4) would still need Livionia Yard, unless they made all the (4) trains come out of Concourse, which I know they have a link to it. The (D) primarily uses Concourse Yard.

 

I think the (3)(4) should be the trains that head to Brooklyn at night and run local, and the (2)(5) can run to Midtown at nights, and run express.

 

Getting back to the original post, the (5) should go to Flatbush under those circumstances.

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