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I understand it that Flatbush av cant handle all both the 2 & 5 services...particularly at rush hour so Quite a few 5s get sent to Utica/Crown hts ..What happens to those trains tho? Its already a complicated layup and with the frequency of the 4 I dont understand how Utica can handle four different (2/3/4/5) services but flatbush cant handle two??? I have the itransnyc app which follows the numbered lines in real time in accordance with the clocks at the. Stations themselves (life saver) and I see 2 trains to New lots av but never 5 trains..So do 5s run to new lots out of service or what???

 

 

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I understand it that Flatbush av cant handle all both the 2 & 5 services...particularly at rush hour so Quite a few 5s get sent to Utica/Crown hts ..What happens to those trains tho? Its already a complicated layup and with the frequency of the 4 I dont understand how Utica can handle four different (2/3/4/5) services but flatbush cant handle two??? I have the itransnyc app which follows the numbered lines in real time in accordance with the clocks at the. Stations themselves (life saver) and I see 2 trains to New lots av but never 5 trains..So do 5s run to new lots out of service or what???

 

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During the AM Rush, two out of the three (5) trains to Utica Av turn back to E.180 St bypassing local stops between 3 Av-149 St until the last stop, E.180 St heading to the yard. They later go back in service from E.180 St to Utica Av then turns back to either Nereid Av-238 St or Eastchester-Dyre Av. Another thing to point out from New Lots Av, there's only 2 (5) trains that start there and the first one goes to Eastchester-Dyre Av and the other train goes to E.180 St heading to the yard (or in service again as the 9:15AM train to Bowling Green going back to E.180 St, Bronx Exp.)

 

*The PM Rush is almost the same. Some trains start at Dyre Av or E.180 St and goes back to Dyre Av or Nereid Av. The late PM Rush trains and the 4:36PM from Eastchester-Dyre Av: those trains go OOS to the yard after Utica Av. 

 

Also about Utica Av, the (4) trains terminates, relays and goes back in service right away. 

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During the AM Rush, two out of the three (5) trains to Utica Av turn back to E.180 St bypassing local stops between 3 Av-149 St until the last stop, E.180 St heading to the yard. They later go back in service from E.180 St to Utica Av then turns back to either Nereid Av-238 St or Eastchester-Dyre Av. Another thing to point out from New Lots Av, there's only 2 (5) trains that start there and the first one goes to Eastchester-Dyre Av and the other train goes to E.180 St heading to the yard (or in service again as the 9:15AM train to Bowling Green going back to E.180 St, Bronx Exp.)

 

*The PM Rush is almost the same. Some trains start at Dyre Av or E.180 St and goes back to Dyre Av or Nereid Av. The late PM Rush trains and the 4:36PM from Eastchester-Dyre Av: those trains go OOS to the yard after Utica Av. 

 

Also about Utica Av, the (4) trains terminates, relays and goes back in service right away. 

But with the requirement to dump passengers off at the platform, how is it possible that trains can be turned at such a quick clip?

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But with the requirement to dump passengers off at the platform, how is it possible that trains can be turned at such a quick clip?

For the (5): I think there's another track that has an ending point (almost like a dead end). It's by the tunnel approach on the (3) train. 

 

Reference: http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/caption.pl?/img/trackmap/pm_southeast_2.png

 

The (4): it's a regular procedure, dumps the train from upper level, relays to lower level and departs at the given time. During the rush hour, the (4) is almost 5 minutes spaced apart. 

 

Edit - By quick clip: When reaching the last stop, people stand by the doors waiting to open, doors close by the annoucement, the crew checks the train and then departs to the other level of Utica Av. 

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But with the requirement to dump passengers off at the platform, how is it possible that trains can be turned at such a quick clip?

At Utica Avenue most passengers are standing by the doors when the train passes Kingston Avenue, if not Nostrand. If there is a train already platformed at the station just waiting on a lineup that gives even the stragglers time to position themselves by the doors. Once the doors do open everyone makes a mad dash up the stairs at the s/b end for the B14, B17, or B46 buses. Unless there's congestion at Utica, or someone who's indulged in the strong stuff holding up progress, the relays generally move rather quickly. Utica Avenue (3), (4) is not the final destination for about  85% or 90% of the riders so they tend to move along.

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For the (5): I think there's another track that has an ending point (almost like a dead end). It's by the tunnel approach on the (3) train. 

 

Reference: http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/caption.pl?/img/trackmap/pm_southeast_2.png

 

The (4): it's a regular procedure, dumps the train from upper level, relays to lower level and departs at the given time. During the rush hour, the (4) is almost 5 minutes spaced apart.

Actually, prior knowledge of the track map was the reason why I asked such a question. I would expect such a track setup to hobble the turnaround speed greatly.

 

 

At Utica Avenue most passengers are standing by the doors when the train passes Kingston Avenue, if not Nostrand. If there is a train already platformed at the station just waiting on a lineup that gives even the stragglers time to position themselves by the doors. Once the doors do open everyone makes a mad dash up the stairs at the s/b end for the B14, B17, or B46 buses. Unless there's congestion at Utica, or someone who's indulged in the strong stuff holding up progress, the relays generally move rather quickly. Utica Avenue (3), (4) is not the final destination for about  85% or 90% of the riders so they tend to move along.

Good to know! I would love to find the time to observe first-hand the passenger flow.

 

Do they have train operators already at the other end to turn the train around as soon as it pulls into the dead-end tracks?

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Actually, prior knowledge of the track map was the reason why I asked such a question. I would expect such a track setup to hobble the turnaround speed greatly.

 

 

Good to know! I would love to find the time to observe first-hand the passenger flow.

 

Do they have train operators already at the other end to turn the train around as soon as it pulls into the dead-end tracks?

 

Yes they do, especially in the rush hours If they're positioned correctly at either end when the train arrives at Utica they, and the arriving C/R , work as a team to speed up the fumigation process. After things slow down there are "single end" relays where the T/O changes ends in the relay position. There was a time before the threat of physical violence or legal action where trains were relayed without​ fumigation. That stopped when the first female or male said the relay person said or did something to the straggler. Use your imagination.​ Yes it gets rather strange when you come upon a person in a state of undress in an otherwise "empty" train who's offering you a drink of brandy if you sit down and keep them company so they won't be lonely. Smart thing to do is lock the storm door, descend to the roadbed, come up and lock the other storm door, and keep it moving. Happened to me and a female NYPD officer at Utica Avenue​ one night when instead of heading to Livonia Yard to lay up I was relaying the train to be stored underground as a "snowbird". The P.O. was my Godchild and she laughs about it even today. Imagine walking through a train for 7 cars without a care and when you enter the eighth car a person laying out on a bench seat suddenly sits up and greets you, drink in hand. On a NTT I probably wouldn't have been startled but on a Redbird It was a different story. Luckily my girl keyed the person off when I reached the lower level. She didn't write her up or anything because after talking to the lady she said she felt sorry for her. Holiday season and depression. .I've  encountered my share of vandals and such at Morris Park layups on the (5) or (3) layups into Lenox Yard but with 20+ years on the job at the time I knew that discretion was better than being a hard rock in that situation. Gotta adapt to the times. Carry on.

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At Utica Avenue most passengers are standing by the doors when the train passes Kingston Avenue, if not Nostrand. If there is a train already platformed at the station just waiting on a lineup that gives even the stragglers time to position themselves by the doors. Once the doors do open everyone makes a mad dash up the stairs at the s/b end for the B14, B17, or B46 buses. Unless there's congestion at Utica, or someone who's indulged in the strong stuff holding up progress, the relays generally move rather quickly. Utica Avenue (3), (4) is not the final destination for about  85% or 90% of the riders so they tend to move along.

I haven't tested this yet but if I'm stuck on a (4) or (5) right before Utica is it close enough to pick up cell service?

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