Subway Yard Capacity

[Wallyhorse]

14 minutes ago, Nitro said:

The  will never be moved to Nassau anytime soon because you are taking away a one seat ride into Midtown & Queens plus it the line would have to be structurally overhauled by using 480 foot trains. It will not provide fair service to in Brooklyn & Manhattan either way.

The idea is the  via Nassau is a far shorter route, running as I would do it (with Canal Street rebuilt into the terminal it once was) to from 95th Street-Canal Street and effectively splitting it with the  with the latter moving to CTL full-time.  The "Yellow " I would have starting at 9th Avenue on the  also would be full-time and would at most times serve as a bridge for those who specially need Downtown Brooklyn and lower Manhattan OR Prince, 23rd and 28th Street on the current  and that would be a same-platform transfer anywhere between 36th and Court Street (this  would include yard runs from and to Broadway Junction at scheduled points during the day while late nights and weekend, this  would be extended to Metropolitan to absorb the late-night and weekend shuttles).  The in this would be shortened to Chambers with transfers done (except when the  is going to or coming from Broadway Junction or Metropolitan) would be southbound at Canal Street (this  would terminate on what currently is the northbound track while the would run on a re-activated old northbound track/platform at Canal and Bowery) while the would use the "express" tracks at Chambers to terminate with the transfer northbound at Chambers, in both cases simply walking across the platform to a waiting train).  The idea came from several Bay Ridge pols wanting the  split because of it being the "rarely" in Brooklyn and this eliminates that problem.  It does eliminate the one-seat ride for SOME but makes for trains coming more frequently overall in Brooklyn.   

[zacster]

On 8/25/2023 at 4:52 PM, Nitro said:

That's at the border of fantasyland.

That's not at the border, that's in metro fantasyland.

Nobody wants Nassau St service anymore.  Why do you think they discontinued it in the first place?  Sure, it was a service cut, but it was the least used service in the system.

[CenSin]

On 8/25/2023 at 4:52 PM, Nitro said:

That's at the border of fantasyland.

Which side of the border did you have in mind?

[RTOMan]

On 8/25/2023 at 9:17 AM, Nitro said:

Coney Island Yard is at capacity. 38th Street is not, It has the additional capacity to store extra trains for the .

Not happening...

[RTOMan]

On 8/25/2023 at 4:52 PM, Nitro said:

That's at the border of fantasyland.

Only in His Mind....

[Wallyhorse]

On 8/27/2023 at 6:27 PM, zacster said:

That's not at the border, that's in metro fantasyland.

Nobody wants Nassau St service anymore.  Why do you think they discontinued it in the first place?  Sure, it was a service cut, but it was the least used service in the system.

The idea was essentially splitting the into the  and , with the  running Whitehall-71st/Continental and the   shortened to 95th-Canal Street (extended late nights and weekends as previously noted upthread) so the  provides better service in Brooklyn with a "Yellow " running from 9th Avenue or Bay Parkway on the -Astoria via the tunnel to supplement the (and  since some  trains in rush hours would end and begin at Canal due to not enough space to turn trains at Whitehall) and keep the connection between downtown Brooklyn and lower Manhattan on the Broadway line. 

This was not really about Nassau, which happens to be the best way to do an - split in this case .  It was about shortening the   so it isn't the "rarely" in Brooklyn since in this version, it would only interline with a few "Yellow " trains in Brooklyn (as this would max at 5-6 TPH) and  a handful of rush hour  trains that would begin at Broad instead of Chambers (and timed according to keep its schedule with the  that would end and begin at Chambers).  

[zacster]

10 hours ago, Wallyhorse said:

The idea was essentially splitting the into the  and , with the  running Whitehall-71st/Continental and the   shortened to 95th-Canal Street (extended late nights and weekends as previously noted upthread) so the  provides better service in Brooklyn with a "Yellow " running from 9th Avenue or Bay Parkway on the -Astoria via the tunnel to supplement the (and  since some  trains in rush hours would end and begin at Canal due to not enough space to turn trains at Whitehall) and keep the connection between downtown Brooklyn and lower Manhattan on the Broadway line. 

This was not really about Nassau, which happens to be the best way to do an - split in this case .  It was about shortening the   so it isn't the "rarely" in Brooklyn since in this version, it would only interline with a few "Yellow " trains in Brooklyn (as this would max at 5-6 TPH) and  a handful of rush hour  trains that would begin at Broad instead of Chambers (and timed according to keep its schedule with the  that would end and begin at Chambers).  

I'll say it again, nobody wants Nassau St service whether it is intended or not.  You are taking away most Broadway/Church St/Whitehall St service by doing this.  It is like cutting off your head to cure a headache.

[Wallyhorse]

13 minutes ago, zacster said:

I'll say it again, nobody wants Nassau St service whether it is intended or not.  You are taking away most Broadway/Church St/Whitehall St service by doing this.  It is like cutting off your head to cure a headache.

And especially with the "Yellow ," those SPECIFICALLY looking for Whitehall and the other Manhattan stations south of Canal Street as well as Prince, 8th, 23rd and 28th Street can make a same-platform transfer anywhere between 36th and Court Street from this  and the "Yellow " (and late nights, the would still operate via the tunnel so it would only affect those specifically looking for Whitehall on the current late-night  (this  would be 24/7 between 95th and Canal and late nights and weekends be extended to Metropolitan Avenue to absorb the late night and weekend  shuttles that would no longer be needed while also having in-service yard runs that end and begin at Broadway Junction on the ).