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AS OF 4/12/12. this is what my plan looks like: Southern Brooklyn B1: Bay Ridge, 86 St & Shore Road Manhattan Beach, Kingsboro CC Via 86 St. (LTD) B2: Eliminated, for replacement see B100/B101. B3: Bergen Beach, Veterans Avenue/Avenue U Bath Beach, Shore Pkwy-Bay Pkwy Via Avenue U. B4: Bay Ridge, 86 St & Shore Road Sheepshead Bay, Knapp St/Voohries Avenue Via Bay Parkway (Full time service to Sheepshead Bay) B5: Kings Plaza, Avenue U/Flatbush Avenue Bay Ridge, 69 St/Shore Road Via Avenue P & 65 St (NEW, LTD) B6: Current route. B7: Bed-Stuy, Halsey ST Canarsie, E. 80 Street Via Saratoga & Remsen Ave. B8: Brownsville, Mother Gaston Bl. Bay Ridge, 95 St Station Via Avenue D & 18 Avenue (Full time service to Bay Ridge) B9: Current Route. B10/B16: Crown Heights, Utica Avenue Bay Ridge, 86th St Via 13 & 14 Avenue (B10) & via Ft. Hamilton Pkwy (B16) B11: Current route. B31: Gerritsen Beach, Lois Pl Harway Avenue, Bensonhurst Via Gerritsen Avenue & Kings Hwy. (Via Ceaser’s Bay Mall, extended to replace shorter B82.) B37: Downtown Brooklyn, Court St Bay Ridge, Shore Road Via 3rd Avenue (Weekdays Only) B63: Current route in Bay Ridge. B64: Bay Ridge, 86 St & 4th Avenue Coney Island, Mermaid Loop Via Bath & Cropsey Avenues (Essentially a “southern” version of the B1.) B68: Current route in Coney Island. B70: Current route. B82: Starret City, Seaview Avenue WITH some trips to Gateway Center. Midwood, CI Avenue/Quentin Road Via Flatlands Avenue & Kings Hwy B100/101: Mill Basin, E. 66 St Kings Hwy (B)/(Q) Station Via Avenue R (B101) & Fillmore Avenue (B101 replaces B2 between E. 16 St & Flatbush Avenue.) North-South Routes in Central Brooklyn B40: Greenpoint, Metro Avenue or Williamsburg Bridge Plaza Midwood, Flatbush Avenue/Brookyn College (The Junction) Via New York, Marcy and Nostrand Avenue. (NEW) B42: Williamsburg Bridge Plaza (Rush Hrs) OR Rockaway Parkway, (FANTASY) Canarsie Pier & Seaview Village Via Rockaway Av, Rockaway Parkway, Patchen, Rochester Avs, etc. B44: (LOCAL SERVICE REROUTED TO ROGERS AVENUE) Williamsburg Bridge Plaza Sheepshead Bay, Knapp St Via Nostrand, Rodgers, and Bedford Avenue. (+SBS) B46: Current route. (+SBS) B47: Rerouted onto Kings Hwy between Avenue D & Howard Avenue. B49: Bed-Stuy, Fulton St Sheepshead Bay, Knapp St Via Bedford Avenue. B50: Williamsburg Bridge Plaza Manhattan Beach, Kingsboro CC. Via Washington & Ocean Avenues. (NEW, LTD) East-West Routes in Central Brooklyn (South of Fulton St) B10/16: Via Clarkson Avenue & Saratoga Avenue. (See South Brooklyn for more info.) B19: Williamsburg Bridge Plaza Borough Park, 62 St. Via Howard, Saratoga Avenue, & Empire Blvd. (NEW, LTD) B23: Brownsville, Rockaway Avenue Kensington, Cortelyou Road Via Cortelyou & Clarendon Rds. B25: Current route. B35: Current route. B45: Current route. B65: Current route. B71: Crown Heights, Ralph Avenue IKEA Terminal Via 3rd & 6th Sts, via Union St. East-West Routes in Central Brooklyn (North of Fulton St) B26: Current route. B38: Current route. B52: Current route. B53 A/B: Downtown Brooklyn, Sands St OR Court St Wyckoff Hospital, Ridgewood. Via Greene & Lexington Avenue, via Eastern Parkway. (NEW) Eastern Brooklyn B13: Current route. B14: Extended to Gateway Center. B18: Long Island City, Queens Plaza Canarsie, E 105 St Station OR Avenue L & East 80 St. Via Avenue L, Bushwick Avenue, and 11 Avenue (Queens) (NEW, LTD) B20: Current route B24: Weekend Service Restored. B27: Bushwick Avenue & Metro Ave, Williamsburg Crecent Avenue Station, Cypress Hills Via Cypress Ave & Wykcoff Ave B34: Crown Heights, Utica Avenue Sta Jamaica LIRR Station OR Rockaway Blvd/Cross Bay Blvd. Via Liberty Avenue. B83: Current route. Extra routes B15: New LTD variant. All buses to JFK Airport are LTD. B103: New stops in Park Slope. Western Brooklyn B66: Prospect Park Station IKEA Terminal Via Prospect Avenue. Interboro Buses to/from Queens Q7: Current route. Q8: Current route. Q24: Extended Bushwick, Dekalb Avenue. Q54, 55, 56, 58: Current routes.

Just to clarify, I didn't really intend this thread to be a place where everyone could chip in on their ideas. Posts are already too long. I'm not going to stop you, but please refrain from doing this, OK? Me, B35, and cotb16's ideas are more than enough to comment on.

I was editing to fix the very things you mentioned. Much of this post is now void. But on the stuff that isn't.... B53: The east-west crosstown routes in Fort Greene & Bed-Stuy are slow & overcrowded. I live in Bed-Stuy, this is my daily life. The B12 is also overcrowded. Essentially, this tackles two birds with one stone. B18: The loop is big enough... (Via Penn Avenue b/w Broadway Jct & Flatlands Avenue.) B47: I hope you read that I gave him credit... Anyway, I'll change it so buses are actually split b/w Kings Hwy & Ralph Avenue, with increased headways. B63: That's gone. I don't care if you use a WTF. B42: That's borderline fantasy...

B45: Why... just why... B15: People use that route full length, so no. B64: Me and B35 said the VA Hosp thing already...

Southern Brooklyn B1: Bay Ridge, 86 St & Shore Road Manhattan Beach, Kingsboro CC Via 86 St. (LTD) B2: Eliminated, for replacement see B100/B101. B3: Bergen Beach, Veterans Avenue/Avenue U Bath Beach, Shore Pkwy-Bay Pkwy Via Avenue U. B4: Bay Ridge, 86 St & Shore Road Sheepshead Bay, Knapp St/Voohries Avenue Via Bay Parkway (Full time service to Sheepshead Bay) B5: Kings Plaza, Avenue U/Flatbush Avenue Bay Ridge, 69 St/Shore Road Via Avenue P & 65 St (NEW, LTD) B6: Current route. B7: Bed-Stuy, Halsey ST Canarsie, E. 80 Street Via Saratoga & Remsen Ave. B8: Brownsville, Mother Gaston Bl. Bay Ridge, 95 St Station Via Avenue D & 18 Avenue (Full time service to Bay Ridge) B9: Current Route. B10/B16: Bed-Stuy, Halsey St Bay Ridge, 86th St Via 13 & 14 Avenue (B10) & via Ft. Hamilton Pkwy (B16) B11: Current route. B31: Gerritsen Beach, Lois Pl Harway Avenue, Bensonhurst Via Gerritsen Avenue & Kings Hwy. (Via Ceaser’s Bay Mall, extended to replace shorter B82.) B37: Downtown Brooklyn, Court St Bay Ridge, Shore Road Via 3rd Avenue (Weekdays Only) B63: Current route in Bay Ridge. B64: Bay Ridge, 86 St & 4th Avenue Coney Island, Mermaid Loop Via Bath & Cropsey Avenues (Essentially a “southern” version of the B1.) B68: Current route in Coney Island. B70: Current route. B82: Starret City, Seaview Avenue WITH some trips to Gateway Center. Midwood, CI Avenue/Quentin Road Via Flatlands Avenue & Kings Hwy B100/101: Mill Basin, E. 66 St Kings Hwy (B)/ Station Via Avenue R (B101) & Fillmore Avenue (B101 replaces B2 between E. 16 St & Flatbush Avenue.) North-South Routes in Central Brooklyn B40: Greenpoint, Metro Avenue or Williamsburg Bridge Plaza Midwood, Flatbush Avenue/Brookyn College (The Junction) Via New York, Marcy and Nostrand Avenue. (NEW) B42: Williamsburg Bridge Plaza (Rush Hrs) OR Rockaway Parkway, (FANTASY) Canarsie Pier & Seaview Village Via Rockaway Av, Rockaway Parkway, Patchen, Rochester Avs, etc. B44: (LOCAL SERVICE REROUTED TO ROGERS AVENUE) Williamsburg Bridge Plaza Sheepshead Bay, Knapp St Via Nostrand, Rodgers, and Bedford Avenue. (+SBS) B46: Current route. (+SBS) B47: Rerouted onto Kings Hwy between Avenue D & Howard Avenue. B49: Bed-Stuy, Fulton St Sheepshead Bay, Knapp St Via Bedford Avenue. B50: Williamsburg Bridge Plaza Manhattan Beach, Kingsboro CC. Via Washington & Ocean Avenues. (NEW, LTD) East-West Routes in Central Brooklyn (South of Fulton St) B10/16: Via Clarkson Avenue & Saratoga Avenue. (See South Brooklyn for more info.) B19: Williamsburg Bridge Plaza Borough Park, 62 St. Via Howard, Saratoga Avenue, & Empire Blvd. (NEW, LTD) B23: Brownsville, Rockaway Avenue Kensington, Cortelyou Road Via Cortelyou & Clarendon Rds. B25: Current route. B35: Current route. B45: Current route. B65: Current route. B71: Crown Heights, Ralph Avenue IKEA Terminal Via 3rd & 6th Sts, via Union St. East-West Routes in Central Brooklyn (North of Fulton St) B26: Current route. B38: Current route. B52: Current route. B53 A/B: Downtown Brooklyn, Sands St OR Court St Linden Hill, Maspeth Avenue Via Greene & Lexington Avenue, via Eastern Parkway. (NEW) B54: Eastbound buses rerouted along Whilloughby Avenue Eastern Brooklyn B13: Current route. B14: Extended to Gateway Center. B18: Long Island City, Queens Plaza Canarsie, E 105 St Station OR Avenue L & East 80 St. Via Avenue L, Bushwick Avenue, and 11 Avenue (Queens) (NEW, LTD) B20: Current route B24: Weekend Service Restored. B27: Bushwick Avenue & Metro Ave, Williamsburg Crecent Avenue Station, Cypress Hills Via Cypress Ave & Wykcoff Ave B34: Crown Heights, Utica Avenue Sta Jamaica LIRR Station OR Rockaway Blvd/Cross Bay Blvd. Via Liberty Avenue. B83: Current route. Extra routes B15: New LTD variant. All buses to JFK Airport are LTD. B103: New stops in Park Slope. Western Brooklyn B66: Prospect Park Station IKEA Terminal Via Prospect Avenue. Interboro Buses to/from Queens Q7: Current route. Q8: Current route. Q24: Extended Bushwick, Dekalb Avenue. Q54, 55, 56, 58: Current routes. Many credits go to “BrooklynBus,” who created “Routes 2 Better serve S. Brooklyn,” which was an guide and inspiration for much of this document.

Ok, you obviously didn't read everything properly. These bus routes mirror some possible subway trips for a reason. B53: Read it again. B1: You don't see the need for this if it is to become a 86 St through-route? B4: Yes... B5: Your B31 is the SAME thing as my B5. It could terminate at Kings Hwy (B)/ station, but people will use it to get to Kings Plaza. (It is part of the B2 replacement.) B10/16: The Empire Blvd section is to help the B12 & take pressure off the B35. Some buses will short turn at Prospect Park. (As stated on BrooklynBus' site...) Also, my B23 serves Cortelyou Road... B19: Split into B66 & B19. B66: Prospect Park Station IKEA Terminal Via Prospect Avenue. B31: I think people along the current route would want access to the south, not north. B34: A Liberty Ave route is neccesary. The (A)/ stations are inaccesible for the elderly, and since the truncation of the B12, this is even more necessary. B63/68: Gone... B37: Terrible bunching problem on B63= need for 3rd Avenue counterpart to help. B40: It straightens out routes in Central Brooklyn. NY Avenue should have always had it's own route. B50: Help me please... Why would I want people to do that? It serves the whole of Ocean Avenue, and serves Washington, providing weekend service to Fort Greene. (Helping B69.) B47: Damn right it's not a bad idea! B42: Just downright fantasy... B82: The B83 does that well, but I'll add it... so you agree with the truncation? Q24: I couldn't remember the street it used to go to, so I just said Woodhull.

Southern Brooklyn B1: Bay Ridge, 86 St & Shore Road Manhattan Beach, Kingsboro CC Via 86 St. (LTD) B2: Eliminated, for replacement see B100/B101. B3: Bergen Beach, Veterans Avenue/Avenue U Bath Beach, Shore Pkwy-Bay Pkwy Via Avenue U. B4: Bay Ridge, 86 St & Shore Road Sheepshead Bay, Knapp St/Voohries Avenue Via Bay Parkway (Full time service to Sheepshead Bay) B5: Kings Plaza, Avenue U/Flatbush Avenue Bay Ridge, 69 St/Shore Road Via Avenue P & 65 St (NEW, LTD) B6: Current route. B7: Eliminated, see B10/16, B47 & B82 for replacements. B8: Brownsville, Mother Gaston Bl. Bay Ridge, 95 St Station Via Avenue D & 18 Avenue (Full time service to Bay Ridge) B9: Current Route. B10/B16: Crown Heights, Utica Aveune Bay Ridge, 86th St Via 13 & 14 Avenue (B10) & via Ft. Hamilton Pkwy (B16) B11: Current route. B31: Gerritsen Beach, Lois Pl Harway Avenue, Bensonhurst Via Gerritsen Avenue & Kings Hwy. (Via Ceaser’s Bay Mall, extended to replace shorter B82.) B37: Downtown Brooklyn, Court St Bay Ridge, Shore Road Via 3rd Avenue (Weekdays Only) B63: Current route in Bay Ridge. (See Downtown Brooklyn for the route change.) B64: Bay Ridge, 86 St & 4th Avenue Coney Island, Mermaid Loop Via Bath & Cropsey Avenues (Essentially a “southern” version of the B1.) B68: Current route in Coney Island. (See Downtown Brooklyn for the route change.) B70: Current route. B82: Starret City, Seaview Avenue Midwood, CI Avenue Via Flatlands Avenue & Kings Hwy B100/101: Mill Basin, E. 66 St Kings Hwy (B)/ Station Via Avenue R (B101) & Fillmore Avenue (B101 replaces B2 between E. 16 St & Flatbush Avenue.) North-South Routes in Central Brooklyn B40: Greenpoint, Metro Avenue or Williamsburg Bridge Plaza Midwood, Flatbush Avenue/Brookyn College (The Junction) Via New York, Marcy and Nostrand Avenue. (NEW) B42: Williamsburg Bridge Plaza Canarsie Pier Via Rockaway Av, Rockaway Parkway, Patchen, Rochester Avs, etc. (Truncated to train station, weekends.) B44: (LOCAL SERVICE REROUTED TO ROGERS AVENUE) Williamsburg Bridge Plaza Sheepshead Bay, Knapp St Via Nostrand, Rodgers, and Bedford Avenue. (+SBS) B46: Current route. (+SBS) B47: Rerouted onto Kings Hwy between Avenue D & Howard Avenue. B49: Bed-Stuy, Fulton St Sheepshead Bay, Knapp St Via Bedford Avenue. B50: Williamsburg Bridge Plaza Manhattan Beach, Kingsboro CC. Via Washington & Ocean Avenues. (NEW, LTD) East-West Routes in Central Brooklyn (South of Fulton St) B10/16: Via Clarkson Avenue & Saratoga Avenue. (See South Brooklyn for more info.) B19: Williamsburg Bridge Plaza IKEA Terminal OR Borough Park, 62 St. Via Howard, Saratoga Avenue, & Clarkson Avenue. (NEW, LTD) B23: Brownsville, Rockaway Avenue Kensington, Cortelyou Road Via Cortelyou & Clarendon Rds. B25: Current route. B35: Current route. B45: Current route. B65: Current route. B71: Crown Heights, Ralph Avenue IKEA Terminal Via 3rd & 6th Sts, via Union St. East-West Routes in Central Brooklyn (North of Fulton St) B26: Current route. B38: Current route. B52: Current route. B53 A/B: Downtown Brooklyn, Sands St OR Court St Linden Hill, Maspeth Avenue Via Greene & Lexington Avenue, via Eastern Parkway. (NEW) B54: Eastbound buses rerouted along Whilloughby Avenue Eastern Brooklyn B13: Current route. B14: Extended to Gateway Center. B18: Long Island City, Queens Plaza Canarsie, E 105 St Station OR Avenue L & East 80 St. Via Avenue L, Bushwick Avenue, and 11 Avenue (Queens) (NEW, LTD) B20: Current route B24: Weekend Service Restored. B27: Bushwick Avenue & Metro Ave, Williamsburg Crecent Avenue Station, Cypress Hills Via Cypress Ave & Wykcoff Ave B34: Crown Heights, Utica Avenue Sta Jamaica LIRR Station OR Rockaway Blvd/Cross Bay Blvd. Via Liberty Avenue. B83: Current route. Downtown Brooklyn Changes: B63: Extended northward to Cadman Plaza. B68: Extended to Court St via former B69 route & Flatbush Avenue. Extra routes B15: New LTD variant. All buses to JFK Airport are LTD. B103: New stops in Park Slope. Interboro Buses to/from Queens Q7: Current route. Q8: Current route. Q24: Extended to Woodhull Hospital. Q54, 55, 56, 58: Current routes. Many credits go to “BrooklynBus,” who created “Routes 2 Better serve S. Brooklyn,” which was an guide and inspiration for much of this document. HERE it is!

The opposite of metamodding.

That thread is dead. It is my thread, about my ideas, I would expect people would read it and give me a critique, criticism or suggestion.

@B35: I would keep the B82 route designation for the B50, as to not confuse riders.

Use Helvetica for the font. On another note, here are my replies. B2: Essentially my B5, just a different route b/w Kings Hwy & Kings Plaza. B7: Get rid of the damn thing... B23: WAAAY to long, mirrors a B6 type route.... (want to keep those low in number...) B50: My new B82, but keeping current turn at Flatbush to replace the B7. B54: Done already... B83: Not needed, my B18 covers Penn. B100: Why? Just a question, did you read my plan?

That's to come... I'll add that. (Thanks for renaming it... that's the word I wanted.)

We all know that bus routes in NYC, especially in Brooklyn, do not meet riders' needs. The system is antiquated and failing. This is how I would "fix" bus routes in Brooklyn. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bPJljDWUR8wcjARRXdk4f8dFe1jTu4yIWlgXqj1PMrg/edit Express routes coming soon.

I've changed this, disregard this post!

Just corrected that... So this means the is getting new cars?

My generation dosen't do that. We just post a bunch of nasty **** on Facebook & Twitter.

That's because they are all 8 TPH. Not the case with the 6th & 8th Avenue Lines, though. (The , , on the same track is still too much.)

@joel: Stop metaun-modding.

The is in no way the fastest, despite the pun. I'd probably pick the or .

The is more than 8 TPH. Still too much on Local track, anyway. The is 14-15 TPH!

8th Avenue Local can't handle the , , , , and . (At normal headways)

OK, getting off topic...

The operates in two sections: (10 TPH in each section) York Avenue-Coney Island (Assuming 63 St is not out...) 57 St- Jamaica-179 St. : Via line W 4 St-59 St. : Suspended. : Truncated to Essex St trains go local 145-168. trains run via Concourse LCL. The was not rerouted via Cranberry because it is already overcrowded.

Sorry, I meant B37... And I can't edit it now...

I have compiled a "How to Better Serve Brooklyn" doc, and here is the S. Brooklyn portion. It's long, so bear with me. B1: A new THROUGH 86 ST route, 86/Shore Road-Current Manhattan Beach Terminus, with service to (B)/(Q) station. B2: Current Route Eliminated, see B100 & B101. B3: Extended to Caesars’s Bay Mall B4: Full service to Sheepshead Bay restored. B5: New Avenue P/65 St route, Kings Plz- Bay Ridge. B7: Eliminated. B47, B82, & new B19 replace most of old route. B8: Full time service to 95th Street restored, with less VA Hosp. short turns. B10/B16: Crown Heights-Bay Ridge (via Empire Bl). B10 via 13 & 14 Avs, B16 via Ft Hamilton Prkway. B19 A/B: Williamsburg-Boro Park or IKEA Terminal via Clarkson and Saratoga Avenue. B31: Extended along B82 route to Coney Island, via Caesar’s Bay Mall, B36: Current route. (Nothing wrong with that.) B39: Restored, weekdays only. B50: Possible renumbering for B82. B64: Between 86th St/Shore Road & Coney Island, via Bath Ave, Cropsey Avenue, and Stillwell Avenue. B70: Current routing. B82: Truncated to Quentin Road & CI Aveune. B86: Possible renumbering for B1. B100: Service increased and split between Avenue R & Fillmore Avenue b/w Kings Hwy & Flatbush Avenue. B101: Split with B100.