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It may happen but at this point the wont be touched it will be smarter is MTA moves Half of what will be left over to the and the rest can stay on the for spare trains if needed now that makes sense.At the same time the is all R62As so if MTA does move all R142As to the they can do what ever they are doing to the on the

 

Once again, what the heck is wrong with having the be mostly R62As with a few R142As? There's no point in spreading the R62As around needlessly.

No but all im saying now,its not hard to make the 100% that was it.

 

I'm saying that running all but TWO of Westchester's trains in service isn't a good idea. Trains, particularly older ones, can break down. You need extras to fill in when that happens.

That is true. There would be less trains that would be on standby at both 240th and Westchester. I'm not so sure how are we going to solve this as we would have to leave it up to the ...

 

The way to solve it is either to put all of the R62As from the onto the , or to just have the be a combination of R62As and R142As.

 

Yep they should have a solution since they are the ones doing the swaps.There probably will be enough Spare R62As on the in the Yard and if R142As from the wind up on the same thing.

 

The numbers don't add up. There aren't enough R62As for both the and to keep their spare factors unless one of them gets other trains besides R62As.

I know what a spare factor is.

 

But you're perfectly comfortable with the idea of practically eliminating it.

Okay, I see now. Let me try to put it this way:

 

There are 824 R62As (one was scrapped). 240th Street Yard maintains 365 R62As and Westchester Yard can maintain 450 R62As while Livonia Yard houses 10 R62As (the ones used on the 42nd Street Shuttle). The uses 340 R62As, the 42nd Street Shuttle uses 10 R62s; the could use 400 out of the 450 R62As from Westchester Yard. All they have to do is make all of Corona's R62As into 5-car sets like 240th Street Yard's cars and that'd be it. I guess I changed my mind now. While the 42nd Street Shuttle uses three or four-car trains of R62As depending on the period, there are enough R62As to make Westchester Yard 100% of those.

 

That said, though only 380 R142As will be converted into R188s and only 220 of R142As will be left in service. The remaining R142As (which must be changed to have the strip maps) can get shift from Westchester to Jerome since they will no longer be need there at all.

 

The problem is that to make the 100% R62A, you'll have to either reduce the spare factor for the or the . From Junjun's posts, it seems like he doesn't even know what a spare factor is...

 

EDIT: I meant the or the . Whoops.

I agree with donald theres more than plenty R62As for the the is running every R62A the the and most of what the ran so technically there is enough and it is an even swap R62As From the with the it wont make sense for a line to have NTT and OTT not at this point and let me remind the and only have it because there is no place for the R42s to go to and they need the extras.

 

Like I said, it doesn't make sense to have a spare factor of only 2 trains for the line which runs 40 trains during rush hour.

Of course there are enough 62s for the . Let's not forget that the 62s the currently runs came from the . And on top of that, for every 10 trains, you can make 11 trains since the runs 11 cars and the only runs 10.

 

You guys are using general judgement and estimation to figure out car assignments, not hard numbers. AFAIK, the used to run some redbirds along with the R62As.

That article is prove R62As wont go to eastside lol

 

What the hell? The article proves that they will go to the east side, but we still don't know whether they'll go to the or the . You acted like that article somehow showed that.

 

Of course there are enough 62s for the . Let's not forget that the 62s the currently runs came from the . And on top of that, for every 10 trains, you can make 11 trains since the runs 11 cars and the only runs 10.

 

Westchester Yard currently has 450 trains. Corona yard only has 424 cars. How is that enough? Since the runs 40 trains in rush hour, a spare factor of only 2 trains isn't enough.

Three things that some people in this thread don't seem to understand:

 

1. There aren't enough R62As for the to become 100% R62A

2. Just because the R142As are going to come from the doesn't mean that the R62As have to go there

3. @ junjun798, that article that you keep citing as evidence supporting your point makes no mention of whether the R62As are going to the or the . We still have no idea where you learned that from.

 

Look, the "cool" railfans who don't care about car assignments can call me a foamer, but I'll admit that I do find this topic interesting and I do have certain biases to certain trains being on certain lines. Unlike some people though, I won't try to predict anything or act like I know more than I do. I'm just trying to figure out what would be a logical solution for the R62As and R188s.

I think you are the only person doubting that the R142As will come from the 2 4 5 or 6. I guarantee you, 100%, can stake your life on it, swear on the bible, and what not, that the R188s being converted from R142As will come from the 2 4 5 or 6. In fact, I'd say that you could make a pretty safe bet that they are coming from either the 4 or the 6. Taking it even further, At least some will be from the 6 as the 4 does not have enough cars to provide for them.

 

You want hard proof?

 

Read any R188 document. There you go, Proof.

 

I'm pretty confident that Brighton Express meant that we don't know which of those lines the trains are going to come from. He just phrased it really badly.

I've got a question: how commonly are station timers found in areas that aren't stations? And, are there very many stations without them?

Recently the northbound seems to be going really slowly between Brooklyn Bridge and passing Canal St. I can't remember; was it always this slow or were new timers installed this summer? I thought I remembered going faster there a few months ago.

Random thought: I've been a magnet for R142As on the recently, so it would seem...

I've mentioned Essex as a terminal before (here and elsewhere) and I've gotten mentions about how that station is no longer suited to be a terminal.

 

While in my scenario I do have four lines between Broadway-Lafayette and West 4th, do keep in mind I only have half of the line (Lefferts branch) running through there, while the I have going through there to replace the Obviously, delays would be expected, especially when you have to work around TWO problems at once

 

What it really shows is what happens when you have a double whammy like this scenario happens and you try to keep as much service overall as possible.

 

Remember, though, you're putting about 39-40 TPH onto one track.

My plan calls for the to replace the on 8th Avenue at all times, since Essex is not really a suitable terminal nor is anywhere else before 168th, especially for a long-term detour such as this. For this, all available R32s and 42s could be transferred to the while the gets other cars from other lines for a Chambers-Euclid run (and remember, you would need fewer trains because of the shorter route there). When such service interruption is over, such cars borrowed from the for an extended service can run to 168th and then simply go back to being in service.

 

The reverse-peak skip-stop in Brooklyn and Queens can be dropped, I only stuck it in there because of the extended route of the in this case.

 

Wait, what's wrong with Essex? And remember, like I said, you went over 30 TPH.

NEXT: Emergency track replacement is occurring on CPW at 81st Street lower level, reroute trains, chop-chop.

 

I've got a crazy solution to this, which some people would consider foamerish. But, I just don't feel like doing the usual "split the into two sections" thing. So, here we go:

 

downtown trains run via the uptown express track from 125 St to 34 St; uptown trains run local from Canal St to 125 St

Bronx - 145 St

Brooklyn - 42 St-Bryant Park

I'm still wondering, of course, how badly the SMS'd R32s will need fresh air. I don't mean to sound like a broken record, though.

Short-term:

 

terminates at 14 St; select trains extended to Utica or New Lots Av

runs local south of 34 St

 

terminates at Canal St

 

via Manhattan Bridge; select Queens-bound trains terminate at Whitehall St; select Brooklyn-bound trains terminate at Canal St

 

I don't really see how the are affected by this. They can skip Chambers and Fulton if conditions are bad, but I don't see how the trains wouldn't be able to pass through. I would also have and trains skip Fulton St and the skip Park Place.

 

NEXT: High St blows up. This is a long-term service change, so you should feel free to adjust the TPH of lines. One rule: you can't split the into two sections.

NEXT

Terrorist attacks occur at the WTC in 2001. Was what the did acceptable? How would you reroute the trains?

 

What lines specifically are impassible?

Lefferts Boulevard service from 207th Street via the West 4th-Jay Street (local between 59th Street and West 4th), normal service otherwise (Far Rockaway service overnights)

 

Far Rockaway and Euclid Avenue service begins and ends at Chambers Street (except overnights, when such trains run to 207th Street but run express 59th Street-168th Street, overnight shuttle operates Jay Street-Chambers Street).

 

runs between Queens Plaza and 34th Street-Penn Station, using the express track with select trains running to 14th Street-8th Avenue on such.

 

runs via the from Broadway-Lafayette-West 4th and then replaces the on 8th Avenue from West 4th-168th Street (all times, including overnights).

 

runs same as in rush hours, with for this period skip-stop service in Brooklyn and Queens in both directions due to the extended route.

 

All stations south of Essex Street on the are closed for the duration of this interruption.

 

NOPE.

 

Not only have you made things too complicated, but you've completely overloaded the 6 Avenue Local tracks...And besides, I don't think there are even enough trains to extend the to 168 St. A much better choice (even though this would also overload the 6 Avenue Local tracks) would be to just run the along with the via the line.

 

Keep in mind that suddenly implementing skip-stop when people don't expect it is going to lead a lot of people to miss their stops. Sure, you can tell people to listen to the announcements, but a lot of people won't because they think they know how their train is running.

I can't say I'm a fan of all of these fantasy route/prediction scenarios.

Trains would use the switches between 34 and 23 St and wrong-rail from there. Mind you, this is nowhere near realistic.

 

I don't really understand what's wrong with it, though. Still, if it's a problem, trains can terminate at 34 St.

 

NEXT:

174 St yard and the tracks leading up to it (which the uses to terminate) are closed for maintenance.

NEXT

Bowery and Canal St are both impassable. This is a long-term service change, so solutions can be creative.

 

Jamaica Center - Essex St

via between W 4 St and Jay St, fully local

Jamaica Center - 14 St (skips 23 St)

 

: 10 TPH

: 10 TPH

: 8 TPH

Excuse me, but am I the only who does not see any switches anywhere near 14th Street ? Are there switches there but not displayed on the track maps? If not then I have no idea what you're all trying to do.

 

The switches are at 34 St.

This shit must be that serious, if you're sitting here calling each other names over something that's weeks (probably months) away from happening...

 

Oh well, still makes good entertainment

 

Weeks? I had no idea that there was any possibility that it would be this soon...

Anyone want to do my old scenario:

Design a weekend GO to replace the spur between 34 St and 42 St on the 7 Avenue Line.

 

BTW, the switches to the spur are also impassible.

I don't know if this was discussed but I heard today Next year will be the last swap, in other words all 32's to the

Then what's the point of the SMS? Is it not going to be finished by then?

operates as follows:

 

To Chambers Street via regular route, then via the to Rector, then via the South Ferry Loop to the Wall Street / station, where it then reverses and runs via the to Atlantic Avenue and via regular route to Flatbush Avenue

 

Nice job of not overcomplicating things.

is diverted to the 8th Avenue line after Broadway-Lafayette and replaces the from West 4th-168th Street.

 

Hey, did you know that there's another train that can run on the line between W 4 and 168 St? IT'S CALLED THE . That way, you won't screw up Queens Blvd for no reason.