Jemorie

Wish all underground stations in the system are eventually renovated with not only elevators added in but also air-conditioners/heaters added in as well. But I know that will all take a while.

7 hours ago, Vulturious said:

R211's would be a dealbreaker is because of the lack of seats. It's like you said, the 75 footers felt like luxury subway cars

Oh well. 🙄 The more people can get in and out of trains quicker, the better.

9 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

Yes good riddance to those cars 

Indeed. Although I’m overall a devoted fan of the SMEE 60 footers, given that I’m more into the 2000s and 2010s eras of the subway system (in other words, a trip down to memory lane), I have nothing against the NTT 60 footers.

Let’s see how the R211 order continues to come along as time passes.

3 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

I think its mostly railfans that are happy, I rode the R211 the day it debuted in revenue service and some riders asked "well where are you gonna sit?" (in regards to the reduced seating). I don't think A & C line riders mind the R46s.

IMO there isn't much of a jump in passenger comfort from the R46 to the R211. 

From a passenger perspective the only pros the R211 has over the R46 is..

FIND

Automated announcements 

that's about it lol

The R46 has more seating, I don't like standing so I like the R46s more. 

Growing up The 75 FT (specifically the 44s and 46s ) cars felt like luxury subway cars compared to the R32 - R42 to me, it made the line seem so much cooler than the which used those loud and raw R32s. R44/46s had smooth stops and quiet interiors. 

I do realize they are old, in poor condition and need to be retired but I like the R46s, been riding them regularly since the early 2000s. They still ride smoothly and have quiet interiors.

They don’t mind those lame boring and dull ass 75 footers that you love so much because both lines got new cars permanently. It first started with the 160s, then 179s and now 211s. What are you going on about LMAOOOOO.

All of the 60 foot cars will always be superior to the 75 footers. Kiss them 46s goodbye when the time comes. 🥳 🎉 

16 hours ago, LGA Link N Train said:

The 160 Delivery was finished over 10 years ago so I don’t really see the need for a thread.

6 hours ago, Chris89292 said:

I mean we already got a thread for that too, it’s called “nyc subway cars listing” Calvin keeps us updated with this info, especially during the recent ENY R160 transfers to the  

To elaborate further, we also have the Fleet Swaps Thread.

2 hours ago, Ale188 said:

Why is everyone happy that the 46s are gonna retire? What did they do to you to think that?

The Jamaica and Coney Island car fleet swap. What else? Overall, I’m a super fan of the older cars. Trust me, I am and have always been. I’m overall sort of a “classic man”. Lmao. The 75 footers just don’t happen to fall into that category for me.

Never liked them on the  either but I dealt with them.

17 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

The MTA has the equipment plus the right of way to allow the M train to be extended to Rockaway Park.

Dream on. It ain’t gonna happen. 🙄

And anyway, good to know that the R211 order is moving along carefully. I know it’ll take a while though but hey. Definitely won’t miss the R46s when they finally do retire at long last.

On 9/15/2023 at 6:39 AM, darkstar8983 said:

Not a huge drop in number of R46s used - I think it just buffs up the spare factor to allow some R179s to get some maintenance as well, since they only have 11 trains of R179s and 9 of them must be in continuous service daily. 
I forget if the R179s are still under some kind of warranty, because I remember in the early 2010s, Coney Island would try not to run their R160s as much on weekends, instead opting to use spare R68As from the  to allow the R160s to stay under warranty a bit longer (I think warranty was based at the time on mileage). If yes, it would make sense to sideline some R179s to keep them under warranty and use the ENY R160s and the R46s since the latter are retiring anyways. Might as well run them into the ground

Makes sense.

18 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Can yall stop acting like children for ONE SECOND in this thread?? Good lord.

It’s been pretty tame since Thursday evening at 7:29. Move along.

1 hour ago, Calvin said:

5 R160 8-car trains for the  : New arrival -> 8401-8404, 8489-8492, 8497-8500, 8505-8508

* The  to and from 57 St is at most total of 10 8-car trains. 14 trains were subtracted from their total for the Forest Hills-71 Av overall at 24 (a few moved over to the and 2 for Shuttle) 

I guess this means less and less R46s on the  overall then.

There is limited train service between Astoria-Ditmars Blvd and Whitehall St-South Ferry.

What's Happening?

We're continuing to repair trains that were vandalized.

Alternatives

For service in Queens, take or Q102 buses.

For service in Manhattan, take trains.

Posted: 09/13/2023 05:24 PM

@darkstar8983, I don’t have anything against you overall, but I have to admit, you gotta chill out on the whole avoiding the R46s at all cost thing like @RandomRider0101 and several others have pointed out.

That’s not gonna help you, dude.

28 minutes ago, IAlam said:

I’m having trouble posting more photos but the MTA flicker has a bunch. 
 

 

I just finished watching the ‘s live-stream about the incident. Infinity percent unacceptable at any cost. Karma will get them clowns.

I’m not a fan of the Jamaica and Coney Island car swap myself, but even then, I don’t condone whoever is responsible for these endless amounts of shenanigans. Trains have to make service so that passenger loads are within.

Totally unacceptable and I hope the idiots are caught.

2 hours ago, MJHmarc said:

Crazy amounts of email alerts yesterday and thats why this morning theres no W.  Sounds like an R46 hate group went all out.

Yeah, the R46s are not really fan favorite cars. Maybe the  and  for nostalgia purposes back in the day but overall, not by much.

Of course, though, no excuses for this kind of behavior. Trains have to make service so that passenger loads are within.

service is suspended. We expect this service change to continue through the morning.

What's Happening?

We're continuing to repair trains that were vandalized.

Alternatives

For service in Queens, take  trains. 

For service in Manhattan, take trains.

Posted: Wed, Sep 13 2023 06:07

Jesus. Multiple trains removed from service due to vandalism? Looks like tomorrow’s morning rush is gonna be a tough commute for  riders.

55 minutes ago, MJHmarc said:

Just read a reddit post saying there were over 22 sets of N Q and W’s taken out of service today due to vandalism 🤔

Yes it’s true. See the Unplanned Service Change Thread for more information.

8 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

honestly if i were in charge of operations you would still have the  running to/ from 71 Av despite the 63 St tunnel work. Service as follows:

 - unchanged from usual service

 - every 8 minutes (no Church Av/Kings Hwy trips) - via 53 St

 - peak direction rush hour service reduced to every 10 minutes (AM from 71 Av, PM from Metropolitan Av - the other direction stays every 5-8 minutes)

 - no change from usual service 

 - 21 St Queensbridge to Lexington Av-63 St * 57 St Station closed all times - shuttle connects to Broadway Line to move equipment and trash via Broadway Express track / Manhattan Bridge

 

middays:

 local in Manhattan, maybe even via lower Manhattan 

 suspended middays

 

Honestly, you’re doing too much. They’re not gonna significantly reduce  service just to keep the  on Queens Blvd or send some R160s back to Coney Island Yard to run on the . I’m glad your proposal did not came true in reality.

5 hours ago, RandomRider0101 said:

I just reread your post and would like to respond to the parts in bold.

You pretty much answered your own question in regards to the tph for the aforementioned lines. The & COMBINED are 12-15 trains compared to the  lines' 8 -10 trains. When split evenly by two, the & are each 6 - 7.5 trains compared to the 8 -10 trains for the . When you go by that, that seems to be an indication that the Q is the slightly busier line compared to the rest of Broadway.

I never said anything about Queens Blvd or the A division, so I'm not sure how those came into the discussion. The comparison was between the Q and the N&W. It's not like I said the Q is the busiest line in the whole system.

Yeah, no. The N/Q/W are more or less in the same boot.

The and  have the same headway at the Brooklyn end (10 tph) during AM Rush (to Manhattan) and PM Rush (from Manhattan). Even between June 2010 and November 2016, they always had the same headways during both AM out of Brooklyn and PM back to Brooklyn. Neither one is busier than the other. That’s why I specifically said from the jump that the  gets essentially as crowded as the  earlier. Off peak service on both lines were previously 6 tph each until the Second Avenue Subway open, in which the latter of the two increased to 8 tph off peak, although midday service on the former was only recently increased to 8 tph.

But in terms of the northernmost end, it really does not matter if you mathematically split the  and  evenly by two. Combined, that indicates that Astoria with a train every 4 or 5 minutes (12-15 tph) is busier than the Second Avenue Subway and to some extent the local stations along the Brighton Line, all of which are served exclusively by the  (8-10 tph).

I compared the  with the Lexington Av expresses and the Queens Blvd expresses because everyone wants to make it seem like the  is the third busiest line in the system after the Lexington Avenue Line in general and the Queens Blvd Line in general all because of the Second Avenue Subway.

Ya’ll say anything. The  need the crappy ass R46s because of the LCDs they have. It has nothing to do with ridership or the age of said cars themselves. And speaking of ridership, the  gets essentially as crowded as the  at the Brooklyn end during the AM Rush (to Midtown Manhattan) and PM Rush (back to Brooklyn). The  overall is not as busy compared to the other more popular lines such as the two Lex Av expresses and the two Queens Blvd expresses as well as one of the two 7 Av expresses. Also, the  combined (12-15 tph) is more frequent than the  alone (8-10 tph) so how is the former two “less demanding” than the latter one?

Anyway, once the crappy ass R46s retire, then Astoria is gonna have to deal with the 68s and 68As with presumably roll-sign changes until those cars eventually retire and the entirety of the BMT becomes fully NTTs like the rest of the system.

14 hours ago, zacster said:

It sounds like this is going to be an ongoing problem at 57th/6th so here's a different plan for the M.  Decrease B service, increase Q service, including some Q Brighton Expresses, run the M to 145th or BPB, and close 57th/6th.

Or maybe run half the Ms to Chambers so there aren't as many Ms turning at 57th.  Call the 57th St trains the K and the Chambers the M.  Sound familiar? 

The  runs every 10 to 12 minutes. 🙄

On 8/29/2023 at 12:45 PM, Chris89292 said:

I feel like this program should be designated to previous renovated stations, I feel like all they do on older stations is washing them, repainting certain areas, replacing lighting, it really doesn’t improve anything

Completely agree.

9 hours ago, TheNewYorkElevated said:

I went to 57th Street on the  yesterday. Half of the stop is closed off for track repairs. Trains depart every 5-10 minutes on the southbound track. The 57th Street-bound  trains had to wait at Rockefeller Center before it was clear to enter 57th Street on the southbound track after the  at 57th Street left that station and go into Rockefeller Center southbound.

The  runs every 10 minutes. But the fact that all trains must only use one-pocket track at 57 St causes scattered delays on northbound  and  trains on 6 Av throughout the day.

15 minutes ago, Reptile said:

No but I think that's when the last R42s (besides the 5 sets that were retired in 2020) were retired

Actually, 6 sets plus 2 pairs (50 cars total).

On 8/26/2023 at 3:05 PM, Lawrence St said:

I don’t know if this was answered already, but why is the  not running to 21st instead of having a shuttle? Are the tracks between 57th St & 63rd St also out?

On 8/26/2023 at 3:57 PM, Lex said:

One of them is.

On 8/26/2023 at 5:07 PM, Vulturious said:

Like Lex said, one of the tracks is out. The construction is reaching further down south of 57 St station as well which is why only one track is available when the  is running to 57 St.

To elaborate further, that’s why northbound  and  trains on 6 Av have scattered delays throughout the day despite the latter being on a 10 minute headway.