Jemorie

59 minutes ago, trainfan22 said:

Why should I listen to yall, none of you work in Car Equipment and nethier do I. Yall are not experts on railcar maintenance and most likely have no idea of what you're talking about. 

 

 

Contributors to this hobby who do know people in car equipment have said what I mentioned in my first post in this sub topic. I value their prospective over yall. The R32 need to come back/spare factor is low blah blah blah foamers are like anti vaxxers at this point, they may have a voice but that doesn't mean we should listen to them😆

 

Just be glad the R46 takes you from point A to Point B. They may have dead motors but the cars still get you to your destination. Also last I checked subway car breakdowns are a drop in the bucket compared to other issues, from checking the subway performance dashboard.

Okay R46 foamer. Don’t start crying like a baby when your precious 1970s cars retire from service for good when the R211s take over. 🤣🤣🤣

2 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

So many Coney Island R46s I’ve seen these past few weeks have the warning light / inspection needed light on in one car of the train set, even more so now on the . I think it is rare to see an R46 set without one now. The spare factor needs to increase, because clearly these cars need more time in the shops.

The reason why you hardly see me post anymore is not only because of how boring and lame this site is as well as how dumb some of these users (I’m speaking in general) really are, but also because of my lack of interest in this dumb agency anyway. I’m not defending this agency for their shenanigans but then again, some people can’t handle criticism towards this agency. Oh well lmaoooooo. 🤣🤣

The only thing I can fully understand/accept is the crew shortage due to the pandemic tragically taking away so many lives. Now that being said, yeah, not surprised. No wonder why I’ve been seeing more and more R68s and R68As out on the  recently. But then you got these R46  foamers in general telling us to suck it up and deal with it. Lmaoooo. 🤣🤣 Can’t wait for the R211s to hit the rails.

@R32 3838, I wouldn’t go back and fourth with @trainfan22 if I were you. He’s clearly thick minded lol. Let him keep talking. 😜🤪

On 9/26/2021 at 12:11 AM, R32 3838 said:

CI has the R46's on 4 different lines, 3 of them 24/7. The has the R160's to supplement the R46's, The   has the r68's. The has nothing but at least 1 R68 or R68A, This is why the 's R46's are the worst ones.

I ride the  one or two days a week. I’ve seen 5-6 sets of R68s or R68As with one set of R160s on the line.

On 8/8/2021 at 10:41 PM, trainfan22 said:

Railfans will complain about the R211s replacing the SMEEs. Way back when some railfans didn't like the SMEEs when new cause they replaced the prewar cars like the D Types, Standards, Arines, Low V's, etc. I wouldn't sweat as this hobby is for entertainment and some railfans find the NTT to be boring. We got fanners foaming over automated announcements lol, the discussions about the old cars were a lot more interesting IMO.

 

 

 

Lol, good. Ain’t nobody give a crap about their precious crappy ass R46s anyway. Things have to come to an end eventually.

All this love affair among these buffs with the R46s on the  for nostalgia purposes, yet whining and bitching about where the R211s will go or why they have to replace those old junks.

As time goes on, the  has to get with the times anyway and avoid all this unnecessary swapping of cars systemwide.

Can’t wait for those crappy ass R46s to retire.

On 2/17/2021 at 5:17 PM, paulrivera said:

I wonder how many Jessica Ettinger announcements are going to be deleted to make room for these new elevator announcements.

You mean to tell me a lot of Jessica’s announcements on the  were deleted  precisely to make room for newer, pointless announcements like the Select Bus Services and new elevators? How lazy can they get.

And people who live in this city/ride the damn trains/buses everyday for as long as they have should already know the whereabouts of the elevators in their respective stations/the Select Bus Service routes. You can’t always babysit everyone.

23 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

I don't see the issue with people discussing on what they think is going to happen. This is what a transit forum is for. when new car orders come about, everyone always speculate on what is going to happen anyway. It's not that serious as you guys make it to be.

Speculations get repetitive after a while because people repeat the same proposals all the time just to keep threads active while reality remains the same until something actually does happen.

13 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

Though I don’t think you can run 14  tph anyway with Stillwell unable to turn that much service, let alone the amount the  runs today.

The crossovers just have to be immediately right before Stillwell instead of midway between West 8th and Stillwell. Theoretically, you can run 15  tph (aka 4 minute headways). However, it should only be limited to the “peak of the peak” during rush hours (with off-peak service being reduced to 10 tph (aka 6 minute headways).

Unrelated, but I’ve also read some other past posts in this thread where most agree that the SAS should be extended to the South Bronx with two respective stops at 3rd Avenue-138th Street (with a free transfer to the Pelham Line) and 3rd Avenue-149th Street (with a free transfer to the White Plains Road Line). I also agree too. The current plan to extended SAS to 125th Street-Lexington Avenue is lazy and cheap. I understand the budget crisis, but nowadays, I feel like the  is just being financially irresponsible with how they manage their budget anyways (which is why I don’t really post much nowadays). But you get the picture.

3 hours ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

And while changing the rollsigns does increase dwell times at Ditmars, it wouldn’t matter that much in the grand scheme of things because the rollsigns are right next to each other.

It does matter. You can’t have trains dwell at Ditmars and leave behind schedule. Trains leaving their terminals late can lead to delays down the line with other trains they merge with. Trains leaving their terminals late can lead to potential overcrowding as more and more people show up on the platforms and start holding doors, delaying the train as well as other trains behind them. Trains leaving their terminals late mean slow service overall.

I love how some of you guys here in general  want to act like the  and  don’t have the same issues the  and  do when it comes to sharing the same yard and terminal and just brush it off just as, until you start riding the lines or better yet, working on the lines.

Back to this R211 topic, if they go to Jamaica, they should be only for the  and . If they go to Coney Island, they should only be for the . But if by any chance they also end up on the  and , big deal. Who cares.

2 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

That's because 8th Avenue is not CBTC yet. The real issue will happen when CBTC on 8th Avenue is complete. 

The MTA did a dumb mistake of excluding 6th Avenue from getting CBTC.

Nothing is going stop them from rerouting  trains via 8th Avenue either way. I hope you realize CBTC isn’t a one and done thing. There could be many other things delaying CBTC like what we saw with Canarsie and Flushing. In Canarsie’s case, they didn’t had enough R143s to increase  service so they waited till the R160 order to continue the process until CBTC was fully activated on Canarsie in 2012.

1 hour ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

That way the D can easily be rerouted through 8th Avenue whenever there is weekend track work or any issues on the 6th Avenue line.

That’s a dull reason, especially since that General Order happen many times and the  was all R68s at the same time.

2 hours ago, Stormxx said:

When  the r211's do come in, I think the , ,  would be back to its original state, covered by r160's.

Jamaica Yard would probably send back a good chunk of the r160's to C.I for the r211's, CBTC installed for possible Astoria CBTC ahead.

Also @Jemorie you are right,  ridership isnt as high as ,  or any other line in the system, so the  line should stick with 4 cars per train. 

The future r211's would go to the , , , , while the , ,  would be once again almost fully r160.

The  can't use the R211s since most of the fleet will be five-cars, meaning two five-car trains make up a full ten-car train.

If the R211s go to Jamaica, it should only be for the  and .

On 1/9/2021 at 1:29 AM, RR503 said:

 the  is a generally well-run route

That’s why it should stay 300 feet long for the foreseeable future and put all the 5-car R179s (all 130 cars) on the line. The  currently runs 13 sets of trains during rush hours. Mathematically, that would be 65 cars total of R179s to make service, leaving the other 65 cars as spares.

So 65 + 65 = 130 R179s total (5-cars). However, given that the  has to mesh with the ‘s 4 minute headways during rush hours, they would need some more than just 65 cars for the . If anything, they can short turn some trains at either Bedford-Nostrand Avs or have some more  trains run express south of Jay to avoid the  fumigation at Church Av.

All of the R179s from the  are clearly enough to fully cover the  fleet while concurrently increasing service on the line and staying 300 feet long.

Dunno what everyone else’s excuses are other than the typical cliche “tHe  nEeDs LoNgEr TrAiNs” schmuck.

1 hour ago, R32 3838 said:

nah the needs more cars, ridership was high pre pandemic. Those areas in brooklyn where the serves are high ridership areas due to the redevelopment of those areas.

Don’t you think they should just run more service for the time being? Given that it only shares tracks with the  along a small portion of its run and has the Crosstown Line all to itself?

33 minutes ago, biGC323232 said:

I agree the  needs more than 300ft...Some of us tend to forget that before the  got sent thru 63 st tunnel the  was 6 cars long....The  didnt have a choice but to make the  4 cars cause of the  replacing the  along 53st...Basicly starting a fresh new line....Those areas you mention the  serve is totally different nowadays 

I never forgot... 😑

7 minutes ago, R32 3838 said:

I never said the should have gotten the r160's before the and  

I said the should have gotten a piece of the R160 order. The swapping wasn't a big deal until after 2008 when ridership started to grow, the didn't have r160's until the siemens started coming in in mass in 2008.  before then the had the R40's and R68's

Well, as long as the  and  go back to being mostly to completely NTTs (if the R160s come back from Jamaica to Coney Island), I’m fine.

I do agree that the  should be the first in line for the R211s though. And there will be enough R211s to cover the whole  fleet if the option order cars get paid sooner or later, meaning it would free up all of the 5-car R179s to go to the , which will continue to stay 300 feet long.

IMO, I don’t think the  should jump from 300 feet to 480 feet just yet for the foreseeable future.

18 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

Clearly you've never seen the disaster of operations that is Ditmars Blvd. When a train pulls in, there is a 25- 50% chance that it has to be changed over from the  to the  and vice versa. During rush hours, there are SCHEDULED changeovers, so when there is an issue, the amount of switching is absurd. When signs have to be changed on the R68s (which now appears to be ~30% of the fleet), riders are confused all through the line until 34 St which train they are on, because sometimes JUST the front bullet will be changed, but the roll signs on the sides of the cars are NOT changed. You can have a train that says  Astoria-Ditmars Blvd / Lower Manhattan-Whitehall St on all of its signs AND the rear signs, but really be the  because the single front sign says so. The R46 LCD displays don't work over half the time, when I see the trains pass by (another ~45% of the fleet). When the MTA was in Phase 1 of re-opening after COVID-19 started, it was easier since the trains were for some miraculous reason making it to the end of the line on-time, giving the operators and conductors at least a FULL TWO MINUTES to change all the signs, but now trains arrive late and the dispatcher contradicts herself. 

Example: 

An R68A  pulled in and had to be changed over to the , and sent out as the . Then a second R68 showed up as the  and had to be changed over to the  (two consecutive trains), where the practical solution would have been to hold the first train until the  showed up (which was not even 90 seconds later. 

Also, there seems to be discrimination against running too many R46s (outside rush hours), which is understandable. 

 

All of this is not even considering the fact that therefore, the trains would leave Ditmars already LATE on their southbound trips because of the sign fiascos and incompetent dispatcher. And an all-R46 fleet doesn't work in practice because of the sign issues again, and the fact that trains on these two routes rack up way too much mileage and very small break-times between runs (if any).

Don’t worry. Anybody who says that the  should have gotten the R160s back then instead of the  and  clearly have no idea what they’re talking about.

That’s why I had to call him out lol. But nevertheless, I agree with everything you said. I’ve seen it all myself as well. It truly amazes me how some people on this forum praise some of the irresponsibilities within the  and think we cannot criticize them for it.

6 minutes ago, R32 3838 said:

how I want the to get the short hand of the stick?

 

do you realize that for the first 3 years of the r160's being delivered I watched the get brand new cars while the   got the biggest middle finger by getting leftovers. It took them 3 years to get the R160's when they should have been the first to get em (back then I would have been pissed, But looking at it now It would have made sense)

Jamaica Being all R160's is a Place holder, Why in the Blue Hell would they want to make open gangway R211's (if the option orders are set in place) and not put em on the lines? They Are coming in with CBTC on top of very large doors.

 

the do not need new cars, it doesn't make any sense giving them new cars when they had r160's for the past 15 years before this dumb swap ( for the first 2 years 2008-2010, 2016-present).

If CI gets the R211's, The should be the one to get em not the

 

I'm sick of this Coney Island should get the newest toys. They got the r68's and R160's brand new and first.

and there wouldn't be enough 10 car R179's for the since it uses 13 sets, the plan is to make the 8 cars not 10.

Lol, learn how to read. I never said anything about making the  10-cars permanently. And there is no plan to make it 8-cars either. The  will continue to stay 300 feet long. There will be enough R179s to fully cover the whole  fleet. Hence my proposal to have all the 5-car R179s on the .

The rest of your post is just you repeating the same Captain Obvious “tHe N aNd W wILl NoT gEt ThE nEW cArS” schmuck. So take that from what you will. The  and , like the  and , share the same terminal and yard anyway. That’s the only reason why the  and  got the R160s back in the R160-phase in heyday. The  will fully shine once the R211s get here. And if the R160s from Jamaica go back to Coney Island for the  and , fine, but no more junky old cars, especially the 75 footers.

Lol anyway, at least one thing you and I both can agree on (and rightfully so) is that this Jamaica/Coney Island swap thing really is retarded.

2 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

5. Crosstown CBTC with the R179s would mean that even more than the speculated 32 R211s ordered in 4-car sets would be needed to fill up the again, because it is assumed that ALL the R179s in 4-car sets would be needed. Only 188 cars are available = 23.5 trains, while the would use 13-14 trains in a daily rotation + 6 CBTC spares. This would leave only four R179 train-sets free for the , along with the 9 R160A-1s free. This also brings to light the issue of having oddball fleets.   

All of the 5-car sets (those 130 cars) should be on the , not the 4-car sets. All of the 4-car sets (those 188 cars) should be at ENY and mainly used for the . That way, the R143s and the R160s would be only for the  and  respectively. Those new strip maps that they installed for the R143s are pointless especially since it only serves as an excuse for them to continue running the R143s on the  when they should only be exclusively limited to the  due to the age of the CBTC equipped on those cars and the age of the CBTC equipped on the Canarsie Line.

There will be enough R211s to cover both the  and  fleets in the foreseeable future. Let’s hope that the option order cars get paid sooner or later. That way, the  would no longer be 480 feet long ever again.

10 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

from what i heard the base order is ether a 3 way split between Pitkin,Jamaica and CI or just pitkin and jamaica.

 

I really don't see the need for these cars at CI since these R211's are built for high ridership in mind, BMT doesn't carry as much as the IND (the is the only high ridership BMT line with the before the pandemic post 2nd ave opening being the 2nd.)

lines like the needs these cars way more than any other line. the also needs these cars.

the cars are coming in with CBTC kits installed already. It would be very dumb to put subway cars with 58 inch doors on the vs. the and lines.

CI could get the siemens back from jamaica.

 

If were smart they should use some of that stimulus money to atleast do option order I so this way CI can kill off their remaining R46's and Pitkin could retire more r46's.

 

CI don't need new cars even if they have the R46's, they got the R68's and R160's brand new. and if anything CI (mainly broadway) will be nothing but R68's since 6th ave CBTC is after 8th ave or lexington. so the will have to get tech trains.

I noticed you’re literally the only one I know that yammers every now and then about “tHe N AnD w TrAiNs dOnt NeEd ThE R211s” schmuck. I think you just want to see the  and  get the short end of the stick while everyone else is happy.

I hope you know that the R160s that were recently equipped with CBTC are mainly for Queens Blvd. It’s similar as to how the majority of the R143s are on the  mainly for CBTC on the Canarsie Line. Remember that CBTC is a signaling system that ages. So why would they send selected R160s back to Coney Island for? When CBTC on the BMT South Brooklyn lines probably wouldn’t be finish by the time the R211s get here? They’re not going to send them back to Coney Island because then the swap would be pointless to begin with, which proves that those 45-year old junks should have stayed on the  until retirement.

The base order would be a three-way split? Yeah I don’t see that happening either. Maybe a two-way split, sure, but not a three-way split.

The  doesn’t need the R211s either. Just because it had R68s as its mainstay fleet for decades does not mean it should get the R211s because “iT NeEds NeW cArS”. It’s really only the  that I see getting most of the base order to cover up its entire fleet while the remaining leftover of the base order goes to Coney Island. So take that from what you will.

And lastly, all of the 5-car R179s should go to Coney Island for the , not the 4-car sets. Remember the  has been 300 feet long for about two decades now since the former  was introduced in late 2001. The base order of the R211s can easily cover up the entire  fleet.

On 1/3/2021 at 2:55 PM, Lance said:

the 32s are not the silver bullet some of the folks here like to pretend they are.

We're not. It's just that the R179 fiasco did more harm than good to the overall rolling stock fleet and that's why a few of the R32s had to be reactivated temporarily until the R179s came back. The same happen back in January last year when they had to temporarily reactivate the R42s, proving that sidelining the R32s and R42s before the R211s come wasn't totally a great idea.

On 1/3/2021 at 3:58 PM, R32 3838 said:

We all knew jamaica was losing r46's due to CBTC but at the same time no one knew all the R32's would be phased out this year instead of 50% of the fleet causing more problems with the r46's. Mixed length trains is very dumb, Lucky that ridership dropped because if this was normal, this wouldn't had lasted long, just like the first time.

They Didn't need the R42's anymore, There's more than enough R179's to Replace all the R42's and 50% of the r32 fleet.

I was skeptical about it because I thought that the Queens Blvd CBTC work would be delayed similar to how the Flushing CBTC and Canarsie CBTC were delayed for whatever reasons, even after the  became all R62As and the  all R142A/188s until a few years later when CBTC was officially activated on Flushing.

I disagree that they didn't need the R42s or half of the R32s, especially since the recent R179 fiasco proved otherwise. Either that, or the governor may have foreseen COVID-19, which may have contributed to the premature retirement of the R42s and the current contingency of the R32s. Could this also be why the governor reduced the now-former  project to half-ass only?

The only thing I agree with keeping the R32s and R42s off the rails is because of the pandemic (and of course, their breakdown rates as Lance pointed out earlier, but just to a lesser extent).

18 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

And let us not forget from August 2013 to September 2014 during the  train tunnel reconstruction. The  was all R160s and the  had 35 R46s + 10 R160s, and the  ran fine.

The  didn't ran fine when it was mostly R46s, especially since the  has more ridership than the  does. There's a reason why they often ran way more R160s than R46s on the  during weekends (when the Montague Tunnel was closed) when train requirements are lower.

48 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

perhaps higher than the M.

Yeah, no.

34 minutes ago, GojiMet86 said:

 

It sucked for Queens Boulevard riders for years......

Understandable for the (F) since even after it got the R160s during the R160 phase-in, they still had to run R46s on it for reasons XYZ.

On 12/8/2020 at 10:02 PM, R142Aficionado said:

Hi all!

Good evening! I tried to do a search in the forums but I was unable to find an answer.

Does anyone know why the MTA has been changing the announcements on the Lexington Avenue Lines?
I've noticed that Diane Thompson has started saying "The Next Stop Is" and the stops on the 5 train whereas Jessica only says "This is a XXX Bound 4/5 train"

Following the full completion of the  project, they lazily removed the  transfer announcement at 59th Street on the . Hence, Diane and Jessica’s announcements mixing in together.

Though generally, they are always fidgeting around with the NTTs’ automated announcements and LCDs, including unnecessarily removing all of Charlie Pellet’s PSAs and so on.

18 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

 

They must've re-did the floor on them because they were so lumpy and worn out before. Felt like you were going to fall through the car. I keep forgetting that the  lost the new cars when I have taken it. Not thrilled to take the old ones considering how long they had the ones with the loud hizzing noise. The chiming bell on these cars are incredibly loud. Couldn't deal with that every day.

Yeah. I’m not thrilled to see those 45-year old junks on the  /  and  either. They’ll be gone sooner or later though...if the R211 option order cars get purchased...that is...

Right now, it’s only the R211 base order cars that are coming along. Unfortunately though, because of the pandemic, the first test train has been pushed to a later date. But let’s see how it goes.