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1 hour ago, ABCDEFGJLMNQRSSSWZ said:

Lowkey, Broadway is prolly the "laziest" North-South core in Manhattan. Literally Broadway could be removed and all it's branches except Astoria could be replaced with relative ease.

South Brooklyn  and  are all low ridership, and to the North the Astoria and SAS branches are short while the  on QBLVD doesn't pull all that much weight.

Also rmbr that even during rush hour, the Broadway services each only run every 8 minutes or so.

I literally cringed when I read your post.

Anyway, no. The  run up to 10 tph from the Brooklyn end during the AM Rush. The  also runs up to 10 tph from the Queens end during the AM Rush.

And I’ll leave you with that…

25 minutes ago, Vulturious said:

This has to be one of the weirdest opinions I read talking about Broadway.

We have to remember that at the time, the BMT was focused on bringing in service between Brooklyn and Manhattan. They only started branching out towards other areas of NYC by involving Queens which at the time also wasn't that great in population and demand was only starting to rise. To say that they were lazy is in all honesty a huge overstatement, they went through a lot of efforts in my opinion. Especially when building the Broadway line, they decided to take over the bridge running Broadway service towards midtown along the north side with the south side running the Nassau Loop.

Express service was originally meant to continue down the Broadway line to lower Manhattan, but the BMT changed their minds and created a new tunnel to the Manhattan Bridge meant to bring in more service between midtown Manhattan and Brooklyn. Frankly, it did wonders, working out for the best. Not to mention that if I'm not mistaken, the IRT was trying to build an entire Broadway line. The BMT went through a lot to acquire Broadway around Times Square going south which what brought about the 7 Av line today. There's no way Broadway can be replaced, if it were gotten rid of today or before, service easily will end up being worse. 

I don't know where you're hearing this, but there's no way South Brooklyn on the  and  are low riderships. The  I can see why, but even that can pull ridership because it's the only local line along 4 Av for obvious reasons, especially at 86 St. I've been on all 3 lines and they pull, a good chunk of riders along the  especially with it being express along all of 4 Av heading directly into Manhattan. The  by itself pulls a lot during weekends because of the lack of express service.

Covid has made quite the damage in service frequency across the entire subway system, let's not forget the transition to Work from Home with it still around. There's also the issue of majority of Broadway also having to downgrade to the R46's because of the swap which can contribute a bit, but I won't get into that. 

Some of these stubborn idiots don’t even ride, live or work by the  and . Just saying a whole bunch of ignorant nonsense out of their asses. Very typical for social media. That’s why. Not to mention the entirety of the IND dates 1930s or before so it’s painfully obvious that it was bound to need a brand new signaling system anyway, yet they still remain so painfully ignorant to this fact and instead continue to keep on repeatedly pushing the whole “the IND is superior to the BMT” or “the BMT is useless” agendas. If that was the case, then the  would have never put the R160s on the  to begin with.

But this topic is about the R211. Not sure where are they getting all this other stuff from…Besides, only one person caused this entire thread to go downhill because that said person thought his pee wee little fantasy idea of having R143s on the  would be a great success for no reason. Then the discussion so far was tame. And now we’re getting all this talk about the  being useless lines out of complete nowhere because…? I don’t know…

Like nobody is disagreeing that the  will be getting the R211s. It’s just only one person who said otherwise and kept running his mouth about the R143s possibly being assigned to the  and converted from four cars to five cars and blah blah blah nonsense.

That is all.

1 hour ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

What the MTA is going to do??

They can't retire the r46's cause the r211's are not in service.

They can't go back to QBL due to CBTC.

The r46's and r68's cannot stay on the A, B, C, D due to CBTC on 8th Avenue (which includes 59th Street) and logically 6th Avenue. 

Why is it so hard for NQW rail fans to understand.

Plus, the A, D, E and F trains have much higher ridership than NQW trains.

NQW rail fans need to take a chill pill and stop acting like spoiled brats who think that they are entitled to new trains.

“hIgH rIdErShIP”

Stop it with this never-ending stupid narrative. It’s all about replacing aging signals. You know the IND dates back to the 1930s or before.

Also, the conversation so far in this thread has been pretty tame for the past few days.

You’re the one who keeps bringing it up because you want a reaction. Maybe if you ignore it, then it will die on its own.

23 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

The and are already atrocious as it is (5 tph each, 10 tph total) and the is slightly better (6 tph).

No. The  is currently timetabled at 5 tph like almost all of the other B Division lines.

3 hours ago, RTOMan said:

Oh BTW y’all folks would be surprised how many NEW PEOPLE are actually quitting this job because they can’t hack it.. I guess a job paying almost 40 bucks a hour isn’t worth it… Hence the problem no people to move the trains trains don’t move…

So that could partially explain why the  was running on a 12 minute headway during the  shutdown during the two weekends last month (I forgot the dates). Before back in between April 2019 and May 2020, when the was shutdown, the ran on an 8 minute headway. Also could partially explain why the    is now reduced to a 20 minute headway and cut back to 34 St during the  shutdown so far as of late.

I’ll remember this information. Thanks.

7 hours ago, ABCDEFGJLMNQRSSSWZ said:

Seems like the MTA is upgrading the whole IND first and then will focus more on the BMT. Given the IND lines tend to have higher ridership, I think this is probably a good idea. The BMT has a lot of awkward junctions and merges where CBTC would be useful, but BMT trains can generally afford to be spaced further apart cause there's basically no high high ridership lines (outside the which is Independent at this point anyways).

Sigh. So many people here in the transit buff community tend to ignore the real reason why Canarsie, Flushing and now currently the IND are being upgraded is because of aging signals that were eventually bound for replacement. Ridership is part of it, but it’s not the entire reason.

But anyways, moving on…

3 minutes ago, FLX9304 said:

Who said I was loling? 
1. I’m no kid. 
2. you’re gonna learn that you can’t have things your way 

3. pick on someone in your league because you’re not on my level. 

Okay tough guy/keyboard warrior. Lmao.

Learn how to handle different opinions.

9 minutes ago, FLX9304 said:

What part of “the cars are going to the  and “ don’t u understand? 

Sit down kid. Lol.

You pointlessly felt the need to reply to my comment after one person said let’s chill out and wait. Lol.

I said what I said. Get over it.

2 hours ago, U-BahnNYC said:

Yes, it's now the IND's time to shine! The IND is a superior system anyway

Ya’ll say anything. 🙄 This has nothing to do with it being “superior”. This is all about aging signals that are gonna need replacing anyway. The signals on the mainline BMT and mainline IRT will eventually age out and need replacing once signal replacement work on the IND is finish.

Are you gonna say that Canarsie and Flushing are “superior” too? Like… 😑

1 hour ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

Not all CBTC equipment is the same. The CBTC equipment on the  cars is older and not compatible with the kind used on QBL. And the R143s and R160s currently assigned to the  are in 4-car sets. So no, 8th Ave can’t just get the R143. It already has 5-car R179 sets on the  and 5-car R160 sets on the . Why not R211s?

Lawrence St often makes a whole lot of dumb posts in my personal opinion which is why me and him fell out a long time ago. I wish more people would realize that, but whatever floats his and their boats. But anyways, the R211s should only be for the . The  do not need them. The leftover 4-car R179s from the should head back to the BMT East to increase service. 

(Mainly the  since right now, it currently runs up to 9 trains between 8 am and 9 am entering Essex St uptown-bound according to its timetable. It should be 12 trains scheduled on that line in that specific location during the AM Rush, not 9 trains. Also maybe add 4 more trains on that line between 7 am and 8 am entering Essex St uptown-bound. Currently, it’s 6 trains scheduled to pass through that station on that line in said direction during said hour according to the timetable. Also maybe add 2 more trains between 9 am and 10 am. Yeah, I know it costs $$$, but I’m just saying when they have enough funds in the future. The  during the AM Rush always gets packed before Myrtle-Broadway and stays that way all the way up to Herald Sq/Bryant Park/Rockefeller Center and the two 53 St stations.)

The  are better off with 5-car R160s.

The sole reason why the IND is getting new equipment is because the IND has the oldest signals in the system dating back to the 1930s and 1940s that are going to be replaced with CBTC anyway. Same happened with the BMT Canarise Line. Same happened with the IRT Flushing Line. The remainder of the BMT and IRT will be the last to receive CBTC years later. The mainline BMT and mainline IRT already received new signals just a couple years before Canarsie and Flushing did. The only difference is that they aren't CBTC, but rather regular wayside instead.

2 hours ago, TMC said:

I’m sorry, but the Rockaways really do deserve the short end of the stick.

Dude, give up and collect your L. At this point, you’re just spouting out a whole bunch of nothing and repeating yourself while trying to come up with so-called solutions as you go along to try and win. The  to and from the Rockaways is staying. Nobody is gonna take a roundabout BS of a route that you’re proposing when the  takes you straight into Brooklyn and Manhattan. And Far Rockaway is the busiest in the entire peninsula. Howard Beach-JFK is also another important station along the Rockaway Branch of the .

EDIT: And let’s also not forget that there are people during Beach Season that travel from Manhattan and Brooklyn into the Rockaways via the , with a transfer to/from the  at Rockaway Blvd.

@Trainmaster5 kept giving you an inch but you continue to ask for a mile. Anyways, back to my shell… 

2 minutes ago, Jacob said:

"Lol you getting pressed over different opinions about your (precious) R46s." Consider re-reading because I never said I liked the R46s nor have different opinions 'cause they're "precious" to me lmao and I said "But I don't take all seriousness and started crying all about it", Please take note of that appreciate it. 

 

What I'm approving people/transit fans are overreacting about the 3rd or 4th Jamaica and CIY fleet swap which is getting annoying in my preference /shrug. They can literally avoid those lines either way if they really offended them in a weird why, even about the 68/A's. Y'all can wait for the second order for the R211s or the open-gang way them eventually being pulled out off Jamaica to see your childhood R160s again give it like 2-3 years.

 

If they hate them. Nor they or you don't like 'em. Here's my one solution: Avoid them. It ain't that hard lol.

You can have a nice day and my blessing.

Ok good.

4 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

I suppose, but I'll be happy when they're gone.

Yeah. Same can be said for the R68s and R68As, even though they’re a small fleet on the  for the time being.

13 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

I'm not a railfan... Just a regular commuter. I cringe every time I take one of those trains. Door closes very slowly. AC is bad. Floors are warped and quite frankly, feel weak in certain parts. I would argue that lines like the  would actually perform better if they used different fleet. I don't follow that closely to know when these cars will be retired, but the has definitely got their usefulness out of them and then some. I believe these are also on the . I forget thinking about the newer cars that the  used to have and am painfully reminded when I see one rolling into the station. 

Prior to the swap, the R46s from Jamaica Yard (currently at Coney Island Yard for the ) were better on the  for operational reasons.

1 hour ago, Jacob said:

You and other people getting pressed by the  being fully 75 footers and mostly R46s. Y'all really don't get it.

 

IT'S JUST A TRAIN MODEL DUDE! DEAL WITH IT.

 

I really don't like the R46s on Broadway. But I don't take all seriousness and started crying all about it. It just makes me think y'all out here simping for a damn car that you like, No offense.

Get it together and accept the fact that its running on the N,Q,W lines being childish and acting stupid about isn't gonna change anything, Look at the R160 order. IT TAKES TIME TO DELIVER THEM ON SERVICE. 

I apologize that it took LONGER since the pandemic. But that's just the pandemic, Deal with the R46s. If not you can waste most of your time waiting for a damn R68/A on the line. You're literally not making this whole thing better. Have a nice day.

Lol you getting pressed over different opinions about your precious R46s. And the R68/As are no better either. But at least the  fleets have been consistent for the most part as well as the R68/As being a small fleet on the  combined anyways, which is why for the most part, we say R46s.

Back off, dude. 🤣🤣🤣

1 hour ago, darkstar8983 said:

It is that serious, and that is my final say on this subject. That R211 order cannot get here fast enough to undo this clusterf*** the MTA has created. Making the  /  all R46s 🙄🙄🙄

Yeah. Don’t forget about/ignore the  though. All of this has to do with CBTC. From what I heard, CBTC is cheaper than a regular brand new wayside signaling system, but who knows if that’s indeed true. 🤷‍♂️ I wonder if there’s another type of signaling system that could have been used instead of CBTC or wayside. But I guess there’s none, so CBTC is left.
 

Anyway, let them continue making love to their precious crappy old cars on the  for nostalgia purposes. That’s literally the one and ONLY reason why they love the R46s now compared to before, which makes them total hypocrites. That’s why I lost a lot of respect for the railbuff community. But remember, they’ll be the same ones crying and complaining when their favorite old junk cars retire. I cannot wait to see the looks on their faces. 🤣🤣🤣

At least the R211s will reduce the current car shortage since the R32s and R42s understandably cannot come back, but the  will likely be all R68s and R68As (and possibly some leftover R46s alongside them) while everything else in the B Division gets NTTs until the R68s and R68As retire for good (after the R46s).

People like you and me who prefer consistency (like the A Division aside from that stupid  car swap and the current mix-mash automated announcements nonsense on the ) over a Wallyhorse of a fleet will rest assured as the  will eventually go back to more modern cars in the foreseeable future.

10 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

Guess I’m no longer in need of a metrocard😒. Can’t believe the  /  is losing the remainder of their R160s. Now will start commuting by bike or car.

At least the A Division is consistent aside from the  swap.

21 minutes ago, R32 3838 said:

Dude it's not that serious. It's just a train. Get used to it.

You were whining and bitching like a toddler all this time about R46s being lousy at CI for obvious reasons. Now that this  new assignment thing has occurred, you’re all ups and arms whenever someone like him protest against this? Only foamers who love this are by those who want to continue getting their precious photos and videos of the old junks on the  till they retire. Just because the  dealt with old cars for years, doesn’t mean other lines have to. Stuff like this just simply make me wish all the old junks gone.

And CBTC just has trains closer together than the current signals do.

@R32 3838, sorry but the 2nd Ave Subway is only three stops. That’s nothing. Plus, the  used the opening of said line as an excuse to reduce  service during rush hours and I think middays as well. And before the pandemic, the R62As caused lots of delays during rush hours on the  due to their narrow doors. Combine that with the reduce headways and it was a award for disaster. Yeah, Flushing needed aging signals replaced with CBTC, but honestly…

As for the rest of your post, well, I guess it’s too good to be true. Guess the  will have to continue putting up with junky old cars for many more years then. 😑

For the most part, I don’t mind if R160s do indeed head back to Coney Island in the future (keyword: I said if). Honestly, the fact that the R211s are gonna have wider doors shows that they are better off being on lines with more ridership anyway.

6 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

especially those tiny orange seats. Whose “brilliant” idea was that? At least they could have replaced them with orange benches over the years, but they never bothered, except for a few R62s on the . I don’t know how many buffs are fans of the R62 class. I feel that the R62 cars don’t have quite as much charm as the R46 cars do, because the R62 cars are much more utilitarian, especially  on the inside. They always were.

Yes. Cars #1587–1591 are the only ones in the entire R62 fleet to feature orange/yellow bench seating. I wish every R62 and R62A had those. I also wish all the half-width cabs on all R62, R62A, R68, and R68A cars were removed to allow for more seats per car. Heck, I even wish they all had the brighter lighting like most of the R62As and most of Coney Island's R46s do as well.

As far as why people are fans of the R62s (and/or R62As), I assume it's because of their speed, I guess? They're alright IMO. I still dislike the  /  swap similar to the R46 / R160 car swap for obvious reasons, though.

3 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

Option II cars we don't know yet but wants the R211's on lines that have CBTC which is Queens Blvd and upcoming 8th ave CBTC.

All of the five-car R160s have CBTC already for Queens Blvd. That's why they did this swap thing. The age of the CBTC system on those cars are still brand new and were made for Queens Blvd unless someone else says anything differently. Otherwise, the  would have kept their R160s and the  would have stayed mostly to all R46s until they are retired by the R211s.

14 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

Yes, 1/3 of the  fleet was R46s and typically ran hours only, as the Kings Highway short-turns or were pulled out of service after the PM rush. The  otherwise had the entire R46 fleet to itself, and weekends, even used some of the  and ‘s R160s, which minimized use of the R46s even further. Now at Coney Island this is not possible. Pitkin’s R46s also have it slightly better because the weekend  service is much more limited and the R179s are used as much as  uses its R160s and R68s in place of the R46s

Let’s see what will become of the  fleets in the next year or two.

R46s overall suck anyway and I look forward to their eventual retirement in the future. And when they do indeed retire, these buffs will be mad. The same can even be said for the R62As on the  I might add.

9 minutes ago, trainfan22 said:

Someone suggested cutting the to send more R160s to CI on the last page, try and follow the sub thread...

Okay? But that has nothing to do with my own posts though, so go off I guess lol.

I never condone cutting service.

9 minutes ago, trainfan22 said:

Those who agree with me can't do math.. you saying NYCT management doesn't know what they are doing in regards to car assignments? The main thing keeping them from making service most days is crew stortages, not subway car breakdowns. They are not gonna bring the R32s back or cut service because some R46 sets has some dead motors.

Who said anything about cutting service? Lol this man.

37 minutes ago, Theli11 said:

What is wrong with you?

What’s wrong with @trainfan22 lol.

This  lover boy and anyone else who agree with him simply cannot do math. Also, if Coney Island Yard’s inspectors/maintainers are not capable of handling the R46s, why not assigned those from Jamaica to Coney Island and vice-versa? Jamaica Yard’s maintainers/inspectors have handled the R46s for many years before they were moved out of Jamaica Yard as a whole anyway…