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27 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

I'm sure this was mentioned before, but whatever happened to the new subway cars on the  line? I have used it twice in the last few weeks, and only see the really old, decrepit cars. Which line were they sent to and why? 

Almost all of the 15-year old younger cars (R160s) have been displaced from the  /  and  to the  for CBTC work on the Queens Boulevard Line. In exchange, the 45-year old cars (R46s) that were previously used on the  are now on the  /  and . You’ll also see some R68s (same trains that run on the , , and ) on those three Broadway lines as well.

There are still a few leftover R160s on the  /  though.

On 12/22/2020 at 6:46 AM, VIP said:

12-13 sets are still “oddball” because it doesn’t even come close to making up half the fleet. 

Exactly. It still sucks that most of the R179 fleet is arranged in four-car sets because the agency is too cheap to make the  permanently 10-cars, yet they spend so much money fidgeting around with the NTTs’ LCDs and automated announcements all these past years, and moving the R32s back and fourth between lines instead of keeping them in one place etc etc.

The current  fleet is nothing but half-ass.

The “hElLo” and “hElLo EvEryOnE” PSAs sound incredibly stupid and unprofessional. Typical .

The former “Ladies and gentlemen” and “Attention passengers/customers” PSAs were much more fitting. Also miss Charlie Pellett’s PSAs, as they were replaced for literally no reason.

Aside from the pandemic (global wide) or lack of budget within the agency, retiring the R32s and R42s before the R211s arrive was a boneheaded move anyway. And don’t get me started on the R46 lovers/foamers who think their precious 45-year old cars would do well at Coney Island Yard in comparison to the 15-year old R160s. More often than not, the R46s’ LCD signs malfunction, leading to a lot of confusion among passengers along the Broadway Line in Manhattan. At least with the R160s, you don’t have to ask what train it is or play the guessing game.

And they need to add more countdown clocks on all of the lettered lines sooner or later.

7 hours ago, danielhg121 said:

I was told by a conductor that there aren't door controls in the operator cabs. Ideally, I would think if they could operate in the 4x4 position, they would. There are drum switches on the R32 (and R42) that signify which half cabs the master door controller will work. It has On/off/thru. Off at the ends of the trains, thru at the conductors positions, and on at the two conductor zones. There aren't any seats in the middle of the married pair sets which is probably the reason why conductors hate them.

False. The R32s have door controls in every single cab.

2 hours ago, RailBus63 said:

There is no reason for railfans to be rushing to the J/Z in the middle of a pandemic if the R32's come back - you've had since 2013 to get in all your RFW rides and take pictures and video of the 32's on these lines.  Respect the transit workers who are trying to do their jobs and stay healthy. Hopefully we can come out of this sooner rather than later and you can get your last R32 ride in during a proper farewell run.

You should have seen the madness that occurred when the R42s temporarily went back into service back in January when all R179s were pulled from the rails, particularly during the very first day.

They even stayed at the last car at Broad Street as the train proceeded into the relay so that they could hog the RFW with their cameras recording. Acting like they never ever once did recorded an RFW from end to end in both directions on the  before or some shit. Like seriously and it’s been 10 years since the mainline R44s were last retired too...

3 hours ago, Bill from Maspeth said:

You are new person on this board, correct?  Or you could be a person who used to be here and left, either by your own volition or could have been terminated by a moderator and you are making a comeback under another "name".  I'm not accusing or making any conclusions, just giving the genesis on how we get new posters..  I say all this because you have a small number of posts.

I think it's that @bwwnyc123 brat again... 

2 hours ago, CenSin said:

MTA: WAHHH! No money!

Also MTA: We’re doing an unnecessary name change (which requires spending money replacing signs, maps, and updating electronic displays)

I know right? This retarded ass agency...

5 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

When exactly were the R211s ever promised to Jamaica? They already got R160s and now every single train that runs on the Queens Blvd Line is an R160, fully capable of interfacing with CBTC. That’s exactly what they needed to do, so there’s really no reason to waste time and return the former CI R160s back to CI. Yes, they did that with the Livonia and Westchester R62As, although those cars ran on the  for 15 years before being returned to the , and Corona Barn wasn’t properly equipped to handle any New Tech-generation trains. But the R62As did have A/C and, in 2002, still had many single units, so they could easily send them to Corona to run 11-car trains on the  and  (the railfan in me really would have liked for them to have used the purple 11 bullet on the roll signs when the R62As were there, but since they’re not there now, it doesn’t really matter). 

Only the base order of 535 cars was paid for in the 2015-19 Capital Plan. So we’ll get those cars, albeit a year or two later than expected. That won’t be enough to fully equip the ,  and  lines, so some R160s will have to stay in Jamaica. Why have two significantly different car classes to contend with when you’ve currently got just one? Jamaica is fully R160s now, including the ENY trains that come to visit on weekdays when the  is running there. Why change it back? Because someone at Transit “made a promise” that the R211s would be put there years ago? Someone who might not even be there now?

Thank you. Someone else gets it.

18 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

Jamaica Is Getting a large chunk of these cars. 58 inch doors are a big factor. They are not that stupid not to give jamaica any R211's. I can see the Base order going to pitkin and coney for the and the option orders going to Jamaica and pitkin.

Why Put cars with larger doors on lines that don't get high ridership vs the ones that do. This is why they made the Lex 100% R142/R142A's due to that key factor. The are the busiest B division routes. All of those R160's aren't staying at Jamaica, They only made it 100% to get them ready for CBTC. Coney Island getting a decent chunk of those R160's back, It wouldn't make sense for CI to get a large amount of these cars. If the Astoria CBTC is done by the time they say they want it done, They can use R160's. The R211's that would go to CI should go to the since its ridership is the highest.

That's not even the point. The point is the aging of the CBTC signaling system on each trunk line that has it. There's a reason why the R160s were sent to Jamaica Yard in the first place. And the Lex was only made 100% NTTs because Flushing CBTC wasn't even started yet at the time on top of clearance issues or whatever was the problem inside the Steinway tubes.

Sending the R160s back to Coney Island would mean this swap was a waste of time to begin with and that alone makes the  itself look that stupid.

7 hours ago, happy283 said:

Another option is that they go to Pitkin/207 and Jamaica and then CI gets all the R160s back that have recently been sent to Jamaica.

The R160s that were assigned to Coney Island were sent to Jamaica for a reason: CBTC.

CBTC work on the Queens Blvd Line is expected to wrap up next year or so. Until then, it is currently being done in phases. Keep in mind that every line that currently has CBTC signals are of a different age. Sending the R160s back to CI would render the CBTC standards already equipped in them practically useless, especially after all that hard work the  put in long before the Jamaica/CI swap.

Regardless of the Queens Blvd Line being the second busiest line in the system, that option is not a good idea. Please correct me if I'm wrong though.

Just now, RTOMan said:

Now by my guess all this nonsense started over the  R179 being mothballed?

Somebody needs to get a life or find a hobby other than this..

Takes it too serious...

Please i hope this wasn't a fellow employee...

It’s actually in the Fleet Swaps Thread. It’s this annoying kid named @bwwnyc123 who gets all in his feelings whenever people call him out on his BS. He was alright for a few months and then he’s back at it all over again. Now he’s made another account called @Bluebird 123 to continue posting here.

54 minutes ago, Bluebird 123 said:

People on this site are allowed to have different Facts, Opinions and Ideas. You all get mad just because you don't agree with other comments. Open Discussions Right or Wrong Answers. You should not even have this Website because many of you cannot handle other people's comments.

Guys, it’s the same person.

9 minutes ago, VIP said:

Who the hell is acting!? And why are you so pressed?  I work for the agency-I provide what I can. Not once have I made a claim that “I know everything” grow up, and find a real hobby, because this ain’t it. 

Because the main problem with you (personally to me) is that you can be confusing at times with your posts so it’s kinda difficult on who’s side to root for. It also makes you come off as very hypocritical. In general, even when we have disagreements, we’re suppose to be on the same page regardless so nobody is confused and scratching their heads. First you say the R160s will not go anywhere besides the lines they currently run on, then you say “oh never mind yes some will be moved elsewhere”, then you say the  will return to its regular weekday schedule come Monday. If the  is going to return to its regular weekday schedule come Monday, why are there currently some R160s at Rockaway Park Yard then? There are other  employees here as well as non-  employees who are saying the same thing or just have credible sources in general.

That’s the point...

16 minutes ago, R32 3838 said:

this is the exact reason they stripped cars for parts to keep the others going, But this has noting to do with railfans. people have to get to work, We can't keep the city shutdown forever and its getting hot out meaning more people are gonna be outside. so more service would be needed. the R179 issues caused this problem, Be glad the R32's are still here because if they were trucked out already for scrap, your ass wouldn't be able to make it to work on time due to reduced service.

In short, it's either reduced service or reduced spares. It's a lose-lose situation either way. With reduced service, there is a greater potential for crowded trains (violating the current social distancing rule). With reduced spares, there is little time for trains to get repaired at yards. The R46 is especially a prime example of this.

12 minutes ago, Collin said:

Except that the R32s and R42s are not reliable at all.  The R32s are especially bad in the summer.  It's better than nothing, but they are highly problematic.  Railfans who want them to stick around forever need to understand how old those cars are.  Some of the oldest rapid transit rolling stock in the world, if not the oldest.  They were supposed to be retired a decade ago.

No duh.

This has nothing to do with railfans "wanting them to stick around forever" and more to do with R179 problems, and reduced spare factor. Nobody cares about the R32s and R42s personally so where did you come from with railfans 'wanting them to stick around forever" for anyway?

10 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

 

Remember, It's hot out, Making the 100% R32's would be a very bad idea knowing the the HVAC issues of the past

 

10 hours ago, happy283 said:

They May make them run on the  alongside the R46.

They should stay on the  to prevent it from being half-ass like it currently is now and to keep the fleets uniformed. Not all of them are coming back unless proven otherwise. They do not really need to go anywhere else besides the . The R32s have been chilling outside at 207th Street Yard all this time anyway so I believe the air compressors will be okay somewhat. Besides, overheating is not really a long process.

41 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

Was it really necessary to post the entire survey on here...

Are you a moderator? No you're not.

7 minutes ago, happy283 said:

Any speculation on when it will be?

A while ago, some idiot on Facebook posted that it would be June with a pic of an R32 on the  but it was obviously proving to be fake because it was taken from by nycsubway.org and other reasons.

1 hour ago, LTA1992 said:

Also, I can care less what officials say. What MATTERS is how the overall citizenry goes about it. And with summer approaching, I have no faith this trend is gonna continue to zero cases over 14 days.

I also do not think we are going to use this summer to properly prepare. THAT falls on governments and their track record has been abysmal.

Because of these two things, I am 70% sure we will be in quarantine again by September-October.

 Silver lining? I'll get back to you mid-June.

Hahahahahahahahahaha. 😂😂 Oh lord. Let me not even try you, son.

One thing I can tell you is that there will always be people that will still do whatever they want regardless of the virus. It’s happen many times before. Especially since during this quarantine, we have a handful of people still going out doing diddly squat just because, when really the only people who should be out are for essential-related purposes. Like I said, everything will start reopening in smaller phases for the time being unless anything changes.

And once again, nobody here is acting like we need the R32s now, but once all is said and done, it’s a possibility. You can check the previous posts in the previous page. We’re aware the subway won’t just suddenly jump to normal by summer (where the hell you came from with that anyway btw? As if it wasn’t already obvious like...) .

5 minutes ago, LTA1992 said:

The point obviously passed you at Mach 2. So I'm just gonna end this here.

Homes, you were the one that pointed out the bleeding ass obvious in the first place when you first waltz right in here. Talking about “It's amazing to me how many in this thread haven't considered the longer-term psychological and sociological effects of this virus.” on some type shit.

If you had re-read the posts, you would see we were already aware of that from the get-go. All we said is that under normal circumstances, retiring the R32s before the R211s arrive is a really bad idea for reasons X, Y, Z.

Get it straight.

7 minutes ago, LTA1992 said:

Two things:

The first is that was my standard response to someone who obviously failed English.

Secondly, what does Florida have to do with anything? Don't deflect. It's not cute.

Homeboy, quit being a sissy. Ain’t nobody here deflecting or being cute. Subway ridership has always been down over 90 percent after the pandemic broke out. You over here talking about ridership will be down 30 percent in the long term? LOL like shut up. Point is, subway ridership is bound to go back to normal once all is said and done. Right now, they planning on reopening businesses in small phases staring in May 15th after they confirmed the virus is at its peak. Unless anything changes.

42 minutes ago, LTA1992 said:

Afterward smartass.

Lmao butthurt much? Get over yourself, champ.

If you want to talk about critical thinking, I suggest you look at Florida, where them beaches just re-open recently and now everyone is flooding them like nothing.

1 hour ago, LTA1992 said:

It's amazing to me how many in this thread haven't considered the longer-term psychological and sociological effects of this virus.

There WILL be a decrease in transit ridership (some estimate a 30% reduction) for the first few years. And mind you, that's provided we don't eff up and not prepare over the summer for BOTH the flu and SARS-2 in the fall and winter.

No matter which, there will be a significant chunk of riders who stick to other means for the foreseeable future.

For once, the MTA might be absolutely correct in their assumptions.

Will? Ridership has been down over 90 percent so far, the agency even pointed this out... 🙄

11 hours ago, Collin said:

When the R211's start to be delivered, I think they will first go to Pitkin and 207th, increasing the spare factor back to what it should be.  After that, the  should be made full length, with the 480 foot R179's sent to ENY for additional service, or Coney Island to lengthen the to 480 feet.  So this really is only a temporary problem.  It will definitely be confusing in the meantime having different train lengths on the .

Agreed.