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The part which I enjoyed the most was the proclamation that using strip maps and R142A traction motors is uncreative.

 

I mean, I can't say that vehicle designing doesn't involve any creativity - the PCC streetcar, IMO, was a very imaginative and creative design - but come on.

I think the combo map is a great first step.

 

I also think they should create a , (A/C)(Fl and combo maps too since those lines are pretty much hitched at this point.

 

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Are you kidding me? $3 will be completely worth it. It will help finance the Second Phase of the SAS, and it will allow for new subway car orders, it will allow for station rehabilitations, and it will make sure that the system is not driven into the ground. I would be willing to pay that much per ride. Also, it is a real bargain if you are going from Inwood–207th Street to Far Rockaway!

I can't wait. I'm sure they'll be awesome.

 

Buses north of 287 can go an average of 37-42 MPH and have an average route length of twenty miles, and provide access to as many as two to three malls per route.

 

Transit and commerce go hand in hand but it's a delicate balance I believe the MTA is disregarding. There will be improvements but there will be fallout.

 

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No. $3 per ride is extortion plain and simple. I'd rather pay $2 for each new MetroCard than $3 a ride which is ridiculous.

Glad someone agrees. BTW it costs 15¢ to extract $1 from vending machine sales so I believe a physical card price increase would help make up for lost costs without pricing out poorer riders.

 

Also, a rewriting and renewed promotion of the EasyPay program. The more riders on that program, the less TVMs will be needed and the easier it'll be to transition the system to contactless.

 

As I said before, I don't expect the MTA to bargain on that. I'm a realist before an optimist because I hate disappointment. I will prepare myself for $140 monthlies...

 

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Did you honestly expect something different when the majority of the cars are simply upgraded versions of the 142As?

Good point. :\

 

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I agree. The MTA's problems are minor compared to what happens elsewhere. How many people die in New York due to equipment issues? WMATA has killed more people in its history due to technical issues than the MTA or any of its predecessor agencies have in their history, including Malbone Street and Union Square.

When you put it that way...but you do have to admit, the fare after 2017 will be the highest ringer within a 110 mile area... $3 for local service is unheard of even if our neighbors slack elsewhere.

 

Just because we're doing better doesn't mean we shouldn't take heed

 

Your comment is a good breath of fresh air, but I am still I'll at ease with the MTA and fare increases. They stand to reverse ridership trends if they out price us...

 

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Did you also take the time to see where most of the transit agencies money comes from? NY has the most funding coming from the farebox. Sure theres mismanagement of said monies but look at the overall picture. Our gates arent distance based. We have an internining network. Free transfers (look at other systems. Philly alone charges a dollar for a transfer) and also betwen buses and subways. Express and local service side by side. Our headways are extremely close compares to other systems. And the biggest plus-24/7 service!. We also have rigorous testing of new equipment which is observed by other agencies. To say that the MTA is the Northeasts worse example is highly laughable! The post below yours pretty much sums it up quickly. Especially since no one else in the country moves 6 million people a day.

 

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Love this!

 

Dont forget to add BART to the list.

 

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I'm used to paying for an Xfer in TOR/PART, so I'm not shell shocked about it. But those buses go further and it's justified from my POV.

 

And just because the farebox is the largest collection source doesn't justify increasing the fare so high that it's 27% over the national inflation rate.

 

Charging more for MetroCard replacements, for instance. Holding wasteful litterers accountable while not punishing those who do pay the fare in full. $1 is too easy. The card needs to be more than the ride not the other way around.

 

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What the hell is "kanged"?

The CT Transit livery isn't even close to the MTA one...

 

 

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Terminology's from XDA, another forum I'm logged into in Tapatalk.

 

To "kang" is to essentially refurbish a trademark design or feature and call it your own.

 

For baseline development this usually promotes competition and innovation, but some Devs have been slanderous with what they've kanged.

 

I feel personally that the MTA is the Northeast's worst transit example. I just took the time to comb through some fiscal diaries of other agencies. As New Yorkers we've got it bad.

 

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Alright, so the Q25 becomes an SBS route.... What (does any of you believe) happens to the Q34?

Absorption I feel is necessary for some Queens routes if SBS is to be a factor.

 

I feel input from locals is better suited than mine, but you'd have less buses to park and clog traffic if they were consolidated better. Queens is less populous than Brooklyn but streets are poorly planned.

 

If a neighborhood uses cars more than buses then buses should simply be pulled or redirected to roads where they'd be less of a hindrance.

 

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Surprised to see one of the R62A sets out on the yesterday. Getting rarer and rarer.

 

 

Blue and gold are the State colors of New York so, yes, they're New York colors.

I still think CT-transit bus designs are kanged tho

 

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Oh yes. I believe that was the same week of my conversation about the radios at West 4th Street with an employee.

 

The setup, if I remember: trains were operating in two sections -

 

- between Norwood - 205th Street & Herald Square

- between Pacific Street & Stilwell Avenue.

 

trains weren't running in the 59th Street corridor and the IRT Midtown Shuttle ran overnight. .

 

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Quite verbose of you. [emoji57]

 

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Its happening again. I had no idea it was this weekend. Jinx knock on wood.

 

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I was on a the other day whose A/C was busted. That car was literally hotter than the station itself. This reminds me of the A/C problems the R32 have.

Them, too? The one I was on at Kingston-Throop was like heaven to me, throw me in a fridge and bury the key.

 

I'm a creature of the cold and the R32s are my favorite when it comes to big chill and best, specifically because the vents are behind your shins...

 

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No... The B39 runs from Delancey Street - Essex Street to Marcy Avenue in Brooklyn.

 

The Grand Avenue Shuttle only exists nowadays when the is suspended from 34th Street to Atlantic Avenue. It runs as a shuttle bus or as a shuttle train, depending on where work is being done on the line.

Oh yes. I believe that was the same week of my conversation about the radios at West 4th Street with an employee.

 

The setup, if I remember: trains were operating in two sections -

 

- between Norwood - 205th Street & Herald Square

- between Pacific Street & Stilwell Avenue.

 

trains weren't running in the 59th Street corridor and the IRT Midtown Shuttle ran overnight. .

 

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1366 is on Randall's Island

1367 was reefed

1368 was reefed

1369 was scrapped

1370 (half the car) is on Randall's Island

Quite verbose of you. [emoji57]

 

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What do you mean by this?

 

That being said, light rail isn't happening because you can't put light rail on the Whitestone.

Agreed. I would only support such an idea if cars were excluded completely.

 

However, I would support the use of such a rail for non living shipments so that truck drivers aren't affected in transporting goods and services. In fact, using streetcars (off hours or in between) could be an incentive for them.

 

 

 

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^You have the for that reason...

Or the M42.

 

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*ALL* The R62A's are annoying and old. This summer has been horrendous if you're looking for AC on the and . The shuttle sets have pretty crappy AC too.

 

It's been making the rounds in the press (NY1 and Gothamist) so with enough pressure hopefully they'll start doing a summer swap next year.

 

Have the line's R62s been having the same problem as well?

And they're hot (not in a good way)...

 

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Good thing it runs as a bus now [emoji38]

The B39 right?

 

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We can barely get the SAS done in a timely manner, the bus tunnel is nothing but a pipe dream

Pipe. Dream. Now that's funneh.

 

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Get on the train again earlier, and I see 8317 AGAIN. This time going the other way lol

I try to do that on purpose and it never happens.

 

Murphy's Law at work here...

 

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You're right about Flushing, the neighborhood is getting f***ed due to a lack of parking. My dad can spend up to 2 hours to park his car here. It's mostly due to out of town visitors coming in taking all the parking spots. The first chance my dad gets, he's gonna try to rent a spot in my building's parking garage. But even that gets difficult, because everyone else in my building wants a parking spot there too.

Maybe we should make prepaid parking an option for local residents so that out of towers are profitable for violation.

 

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We all know about it already

 

 

They would read this and laugh

They're blockheads all right. Laugh? They'll [emoji90] on it. But a wakeup call for then is in the works. However, I need help shifting the ideology of our role in the Northeast.

 

The MTA's lack of progress is a chokehold in the most important juncture in the Northeast. I feel that going after MTA policies directly will be futile as would addressing them directly.

 

Strings need to be pulled from the back ends.

????Eric Shields | #MassTransitHonchkrow

 

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No because the is permanently 11 cars and R142s are in permanent 5 car sets.

Eleven? I always wondered why the platforms seemed so large.

 

Was it always that way?[emoji53]

 

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On the line? Nope. they probably would just borrow 62's from the line again.

 

But on the , , and lines on a temporary basis? possibly. Like for example if one of those four lines has R142/As OOS due to SMS work. Maybe one or two sets would come over to fill in. The and lines borrowed R62A's from Corona in the 2000s. There's photos of the world fair cars running on the IRT mainline in the 70s..

 

http://nycsubway.org/perl/show?4196

That car is beautiful. Do you think blue and gold are New York colors? I don't. CTTransit buses have been kanged.

 

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It doesn't matter if the Seventh Avenue Line has only one line with NTTs, the R62/As are still in decent WORKING condition and got another decade or so for useful service life so they are NOT going anywhere anytime soon.

As the get the screens installed and tested, will GTFS feeds eventually benefit from the Real time data?

 

The is real time, all others are static (timetable only).

 

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It still is on the BMT radio frequency though

 

 

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I remembered chatting with an employee during the Delancey reroute phase during the week before last Turkey day.

 

You guys still use separate frequency bands for the three systems? Even the radio LCD he held to me said IND.

 

And yes, this was at West 4th during week 9 (of 40) of trains rerouted via the with the at the lower level.

 

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Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't run.

 

...Unless you was on the line the entire clocking every single train that ran

I sometimes do that. Those new displays are certainly fixating. I can't wait for them to be uploaded and compiled to the agency GTFS. Then I can see real times for those trains.

 

When train schedules aren't available, sometimes I can still see them on the Transit app.

 

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Flushing is overcrowded and will continue to be very congested and since the introduction of the bus lanes I think traffic on Kissena has gotten slightly worst. The is pushing so hard for Select Bus Service for the Q25 but where can the bus lanes go without upsetting residents. I personally think these bus lanes will make traffic worst. And okay I've tried out walking the Q20 and Q44 and the bus ended up passing me by all the time. Now if you want to out walk a bus try the Q60 especially up there by Rego Park and Elmhurst. You can actually sometimes out walk it if traffic is really backed up.

Even I think that section of Queens is horrible. I'm all for buses but a balance must be struck or it could get worse.

 

Intersections there are like snake pits for peds. In addition to distracted driving, loud and unbearable noise, it's a death wish for any disabled resident who crosses the streets.

 

I almost got ran over by a tawny Audi last Friday who went for the gold instead of slowing down on yellow. [emoji19]

 

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So earlier this afternoon I took my girlfriend home, and my train was a 160. We get in car 8317. I go back home about an hour later, and I get the same exact set.

 

I'm on the again hours later, and what do you know, 8317 AGAIN lol.

Lucky you. In fact, I've seen the R-143s as trains more often.

 

Sounds like a planar shift.

 

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Now days I can can just out walk the Q44 since traffic is so bad

You're mad. Even by Tarrytown standards. You'll BECOME the pavement.

 

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Just rush hour? Please. The only time you can probably get some elbow room on any Lex train would be in the middle of the night or early morning on the weekends.

 

This is getting ridiculous. Cars with no AC in this kind of heat is not only unbearable, but also quite dangerous as well as a health issue. I caught a few of these hot boxes and the lack of AC or any kind of air blowing through makes it hard to breathe at times. These cars need to have their systems replaced like immediately. Obviously they can't blitz-repair this problem, but what they should be doing is taking these cars out of service and temporarily replacing them with as many spare 142s and 142As as possible. Yes, I'm aware that September is fast approaching, but passing Labor Day does not mean we will not get any more hot days.

 

And before anyone says anything, the 62As on the shuttle, maintained out of Livonia, have failing HVACs just like the ones on the , so no, it's not Westchester's supposed lack of maintenance.

Truth be told:

 

The MTA is going to wait until -

 

Sick passenger delays shoot up dramatically

Lawsuits come their way

Somebody dies

Ignoring this is no longer profitable.

 

As for me, I simply avoid IRT systems as much as possible. That's where most R62A's are concentrated.

 

Visit my thread to find alternatives to travel using BMT or IND systems. Name your destination and I'll chart a course. Faster, less walking or do you have an unlimited? Commutes belong to the commuter and so should your time.

 

Here:

http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/49357-For-Unlimited-Ride-Customers---Try-These-Xfers

 

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when you double on the bus lane, it practically makes the bus lane useless

 

Although I see improvement overall, going north in Flushing traffic is worse and buses are heavily delayed.

Queens seems to be the brunt of many transit mishaps. The only way Queens can get the help it needs is through aggressive pro-transit moves and the de-prioritization of ordinary cars.

 

Car owners will hate it but the city has to look out for the majority and many New Yorkers can't afford to drive. Even those who do know there is no productive edge in city driving but stubbornly cling to their wheels. [emoji30]

 

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Double-parking is not caused by bus lanes. Double-parking is caused by people choosing to double-park.

Yes. New York City needs to be more bus centric. Even if and when I get my license, I won't use it down here. Transit comes first if available.

 

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Is it me or does Lex feel like your crammed in a sardine can during rush hour...?

Nothing new.

 

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I went through an entire five car set with broken ACs. Every stop, I got out and switched cars. When I got to the sixth car, I could tell that AC beginning to fail too. I gave up and took a Lyft.

 

On the way back, however, the R142A AC was blasting.

Best. Feeling. Ever. Makes you feel like leftover lasagna. Away from the frying pan and into the freezer with you!

 

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Something ive notice for month's now is that the has 3 or more sets of R143's running on the line...Does anybody else recognize the same thing...Just curious...

Yup. Seems they're cycling some trains from the rail yard just below Broadway Junction.

 

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Yes, as far as I'm concerned, they should call it S79 LTD. But you know what? If calling it +SBS+ is what got them the federal money for the bus lanes and that separate entrance at the ETC (that's also used by S59 & S89 buses), then I really don't care what they call it, and I use it for actual travel.

 

The S79 was never a limited like the Q44. It went from pure local to +SBS+

And that's the third point I was missing. Editing my last comment now. Alright I can't.

 

So dedicated lanes, surface exposure and Federal funding. So the MTA essentially needs the S79 like a poster child for how cash strapped it is.

 

Now I understand but now it sounds even more pathetic for reasons we know too well.

 

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* You said the route shouldn't even be SBS.... You also said SBS on the route is overkill....

* You're saying in this post that there should be separate "pay pads"....

(You later acknowledge that "Select Bus Service is distinguished by separate pay pads.")

 

I don't know if you don't realize it or what, but those two stances are conflicting....

 

You also said "The route is efficient and gets shoppers and commuters alike through Hylan at breakneck efficiency"....

Spectacular analysis there..... But if "breakneck" efficiency is the gold standard, then what would be the point of installing TVM's (or pay pads, as you call 'em) along the route?

 

Lastly, Yeah, the MTA half-asses things - But you have yet to explain where it applies as far as Richmond av specifically, is concerned on the S79 SBS.... When I initially brought that up, it wasn't addressed.... Instead, you diverted to talking about improper designation & fare-beating pax. crowding buses....

 

 

Try to follow along....

 

LTD service + "pay pads" = +SBS+

 

You say it might as well have been a LTD, you say there should be separate pay pads.... But SBS isn't the issue? [emoji38]

This has gotten comical at this point....

I agree. I took two tangents and lauded on one.

 

Transit is confusing down here. No one makes it more incomprehensible than NYC transit.

 

While transit is viewed as a blessing in the suburbs, it's damnation down here.

 

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I think what he's saying is that the fact that the MTA didn't put fare machines on the S79 is a typical example of the MTA half-assing something, and it's more about the general attitude than about the machines themselves.

 

 

The difference here is that the MTA actually did an analysis that determined that using fare machines would be detrimental overall. The only stop that I can think of where you see a whole line of like 30+ people boarding at once on a consistent basis is at 86th & 4th, and it's not as bad because it's the terminal and it's easier to accommodate it (the B/Os just have to start loading up a couple of minutes before their scheduled departure time, and that just has to be built into the layover time)

That's surprising but good to know. I'm going to go to the fare card thread I created and talk about London's recent plan to open source Oyster.

 

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You realize that off-board payment isn't the only thing that differentiates a route between it being a limited route and a BRT route, right?

 

From Wiki, they're somewhat the same, but they differ in that the limited service doesn't share most of the common features of bus rapid transit such as unique route branding, off-vehicle fare collection, signal preemption, frequent all-day service, and dedicated right-of-way such as bus-only lanes.

 

Sure, the S79 doesn't have off-boarding payment, but that doesn't immediately mean it should have been called a LTD. There's various other factors that go into play.

Like dedicated lanes and additional waiting space?

 

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Uh....no there shouldn't be. The S79 isn't as frequent as the other +SBS+ routes, so if you miss a bus because you were fumbling with the machine, there go all your time savings. The MTA specifically said that dwell times weren't an issue on the route, so there was no need for the separate payment machines.

Then it might as well be a LTD. Even before the Q44 became SBS its stop manifest only had three or four more stops.

 

Select Bus Service is distinguished by separate pay pads. Otherwise it's just a LTD route with special treatment.

 

 

[emoji362] We should eventually invest in contactless dongles would be something the MTA should work on as it reads a tag from a working MetroCard and deducts fare automatically when a button on the dongle is pushed. The door would have a wrap around light that mimics the fare box's light scheme.

 

 

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