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You mention a reference error.... So what were you referring to then, when you spoke of artics? The S79?

 

Don't know what you're talking about in the last two paragraphs/segments & I'm not going to bother deciphering it.... Seems like some sort of deflection, but be there as it may:

 

What I addressed in that part of the reply (that this snippet of your reply is in response to), is that bit about Richmond (av) riders being "left out too much" & something about a half baked effort including Richmond.... It's giving off the implication that SBS on the S79 shouldn't exist, b/c of some shortcoming on that portion of the route..... Now SBS is overkill?

 

How could the S79 SBS be overkill if there's this feeling of empathy out of you regarding Richmond rd being left out?

What it's saying is that the SBS does an incomplete job, but it's overkill at the same time.... Um, what??

 

Your claims here aren't consistent with your conclusions - Which is why I say 1 plus 1 doesn't equal three....

 

As far as the route's efficiency, yeah, it's efficient now...

Before SBS, Hardly.... Yeah it always picked up a ton of pax, but it used to lag like crazy.... Hell, at times, the freakin S78 used to move faster along Hylan (b/c it picked up less people & made less stops).... I used to abhor taking S79's back to Brooklyn, seeing NB S78's leave us in the dust..... Now that the S79 makes less stops, that's not the case anymore.....

 

The S79 SBS is one of the very few cases where converting the route, wasn't overkill.....

There should be separate pay pads. SBS isn't the issue. It's the "okay if half done" nature of MTA projects. For all the thinking done behind the scenes they're still not customer centric.

 

And if I extend sympathy, no borough is note shambled than Queens. Now that's where the complaints really flare up.

 

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Where is the system misconstruing who is who? Let's face it. You made an analogy which does not make sense given the context of the conversation and now you can't own it. It's childish.

 

 

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I know that. I'm no longer holding on to that.

 

I'm on a data entry mindset not a get even one. Something hiccupped.

 

If I dragged on about things too long I'd get gray hairs. There IS a reason I joined this forum. I used to hate getting checked but for personal & professional growth it is necessary.

 

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I wasn't trying to tie in the S79. I only ment the bit about the shuttle loop.

 

When service is rerouted via the shuttles connect Court Square with Queens Plaza & 21st Street.

 

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The quotes are all mashed up and adulterated, apart from user error. I don't blame you, the system is misconstruing who is who.

I originally brought it up as a comparison to your suggestion of putting articulated buses on Staten Island, but what you said was:

 

 

 

Which in no way corresponds to what I said. I said that artics on Staten would be an even worse idea than the looping around to Court Sq, and you say that when the runs via the , that proposal very much lives. First off, that statement is wrong as the being rerouted via the doesn't involve any kind of loop whatsoever, and second, it completely ignored what my post was saying.

 

But whatever, moving on...

 

You adulterated the quote. That isn't what I posted. Those are two trains of thought on different threads.

 

Maybe my feed needs to be reordered so that I reply sequentially.

 

I apologize for any confusion this may cause.

 

When quoting, don't forget the

gesture. It won't appear as my quote if it's adulterated.

 

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1 plus 1 doesn't equal 3.... In case you don't get the analogy, I'll be blunt.

 

You exude some sense of awe about seeing crowding on the S79....

...and your suggestion to perhaps quell that, is to have artics on the S74/84 & the S59 ???

That was a reference error. I'll correct it shortly.

 

 

Putting artics on the S74/84 & the S59 wouldn't do squat for the S79, due to the fact that neither of those 2 aforementioned routes would aid in transporting the vast majority of the passengers that are crowding S79's in the first place.... By the time buses hit Hylan Blvd after having came from the mall, the majority of the riders are heading to Brooklyn... Riders boarding on Hylan itself also fit this bill....

My concern was peak shopping hours. Artics full time would be a wasted effort.

 

 

As far as your reason behind the S79 shouldn't even be (being) an SBS route, I'll simply put it like this.... You're empathizing with much of nobody - as those patrons of the area (and anyone else that rides) along Richmond knows that that portion of the route is, and was already a quick corridor well before the SBS conversion to the route.....

It's overkill. The route is efficient and gets shoppers and commuters alike through Hylan at breakneck efficiency.

 

Without side payment mechs it's designation is improper...and it's sometimes crowded because of dead weight (when pax pay $0 in fare without proper exemption decals). I'm not saying ops shouldn't be lenient, but buses shouldn't be crowded with non paying pax.

 

This has backfired in the past. Wasn't long ago that an op was slugged on Nostrand & Ave D. I do business six blocks away...

 

 

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Many poor people have been riding the Q113 since the PBL days. I don't think SBS service is going to attract more riders to the 113 as the route has to compete with the dollar vans running along Brewer Blvd and the Rockaways.

You've confirmed my second fear - if the fare keeps going up, the MTA will lose business to local competitors.

 

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How? The doesn't run anywhere on the when it's rerouted on the . It still ends up terminating in Manhattan...

 

But getting back on topic, I'm wondering why some routes that have limited service from the ferry during the PM rush don't have limited service to the ferry during the AM rush (I.E. S74 local to / from St. George, and the S84 from St. George). I would propose that limited service be added in the AM, but I'm guessing the reason they don't currently have it in place is because there's more buses being used in the AM rush than there are in the PM rush (in general). Hopefully if Yukon, Castleton, and Charleston work some magic and gain more space to store buses, hopefully this can happen.

I was talking about the shuttle loop between Queens Plaza & Ely Ave - 23rd Street...

 

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South since cost of living is much cheaper there.

I know. But that's an edge meant for poorer and disenfranchised people, not car owning snobs.

 

This is a city that needs to focus on the masses not the asses. Influences like Billionaires Row are getting out of hand. Let it go so far and they'll vote to secede from Manhattan before Staten Island does.

 

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LMAO... No words on any of this...

I know. Just throwing my thoughts here. It seems there's a lot of headway in this thread.

 

I'll read through it first.

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You really shouldn't be surprised that the S79 is crowded... Its the only route that goes from Brooklyn to mid-Staten Island. It's also (in my opinion) one of the few routes where SBS actually made a significant improvement. And artics on Staten would be an even worse idea than the whole "(E) loop to Court Square" proposal.

 

(shudders)

And when the is rerouted via the that proposal very much lives.

 

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The S89 has gotten busy since It's first day of service.

 

As for ideas... many were said in the old Staten Island bus idea thread, but I'll still list something I got:

 

S79

 

I personally don't think it needs SBS. It should just run limited only during rush hours. The S59 and S78 would be local supplements.

The S79 Limited stops would be:

• 86 St/ 4 Av Station
• 86 St/ 5 Av
• 92 St/ Fort Hamilton Pkwy
• Narrows Rd/ Fingerboard Rd
• Narrows Rd/ Hylan Blvd
• Hylan Blvd/ Clove Rd
• Hylan Blvd/ Seaview Av
• Hylan Blvd/ Midland Av
• Hylan Blvd/ New Dorp Lane
• Hylan Blvd/ Tysens Lane
• Hylan Blvd/ Nelson Av
• Richmond Av/ Hylan Blvd
• Richmond Av/ Eltingville SIR station
• Eltingville Transit Center

Then all stops to the Staten Island Mall

 

 

My only other idea is for the S93

I would have it expanded to a full weekday route. It starts and ends the same hours. Midday headways would 30 minutes.

The route would also stay the same. I felt a few members asked for a little too much with all those S93 extensions and S83 this and that.

 

If the S93 ran all day, it would kill two birds with one stone:

• Take some crowding off the S53 and S62
• Also give SI it's first Limited route to run during midday hours

And for peak or busy hours, put articulated buses for S74/84, and S59 buses. I was actually in the area yesterday night and it was crowded on the S79...

 

Shouldn't even be SBS. Half baked effort at including Richmond. I totally empathize with them. They've been left out too much.

 

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I signed up for alerts on workshops there and I haven't been contacted. In fact I haven't been contacted for any workshops I submitted my email to.

 

Riders Alliance also hasn't been keeping me in the loop. With the into I've gathered that's their loss. I always seemed out of place around them because of my scope.

 

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I have never actually gotten to ride the JZ lines so thats why i am doing it for the first time. I am trying to think of other subway points of intrest that I can do in a day, got anything?

Well, most of the is elevated, making POIs easy to locate. However, much of the landscape, especially in the East New York section, are shuttered businesses due to a lack of foot traffic, the sticking point of my post.

 

On weekends, especially the next 25, the is your link to Fulton St as the are available at Essex St during weekends.

 

Suggested connectors helpful in connecting POI include the B12, B57, and the B38. That trio of buses merges with or follows near the and have endpoints near popular or well known landmarks.

 

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It's gonna happen

This has been the plan for the longest....

The first step was XD60...

now hypothetically speaking within the next 2 years

the Q113 will be SBS

They'll redo the stops again

I'll be curious to see what stops they kill off

No. Good luck to those who think they should preserve those spaces. I'm getting really sick of the entitlement egos of car owners.

 

They can suck it up or move up north.

 

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Thanks for the reply! I hope one day I can catch stuff like DJ, I don't even live in the city, but have seen some cool stuff when I stay for prolonged periods, I am going to be in for a few days next week and I am going to spend a whole day going around. I have a checklist already, new time clocks on BMT, g line LED test, maybe hit up a few stations I have not been to and ride the 32s on the JZ line, anything else you can think of? beside the things that could happen all day like rerouting

You're welcome.

Good talking points.

 

Those trains are rather old, and are the closest thing to the bad times of 70s past. They are also the most derelict ridden.

 

Do the locked staircases on the irritate you sometimes?

 

I did an article on it. Read it here:

https://plus.google.com/+EricShields-TransitHonchkrow/posts/b5qhDqBoPEP

 

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Stupid question. How do you guys catch all these museum moves and strange occurances, how do you find out bout them in advance?

By being observant.

 

Delays within the city line are better avoided if commuters just listened & looked. Canal St was a nightmare this weekend...

 

And some of the users on this forum are either tenured MTA employees or junkies with good leads. I myself can't always preempt things but then again my travel scope is far larger.

 

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For a bus, it should be very good. For a car... well, the merge from Kissena to Main has always been terrible.

 

That road should really not have any parking on either side. It's far too narrow and congested to sustain that.

Agreed. Queens roads are a mess because they give preference to sitting cars instead of moving transportation.

 

This is why they will always be buried under 15+ inches of snow. DOTS can't shovel if cars are in the way...

 

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So why didn't the R68's have this feature if the R46's did? It would've been much much easier today on all the remaining SMEE's, excluding the R32's and R42's.

To change the rollsigns.

I guess those were happier days when the budget wasn't full of hot air...

 

They simply don't have the innovative backbone they once had...

 

If any of you clean up at 3 AM at Herald Square, 145 St - St Nick, and Woodside-61, does it seem to worsen after each clean?

 

I dunno, but as a custodian who's handled my fair share of muck, that is MENTAL ABUSE.

 

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Everything in the Eastchester, Yonkers, Spring Creek, Baisley Park, JFK, LGA, and Far Rockaway depots are operated by MTA bus. Everything else is NYCT.

That explains why some MTA buses have depots at the Yonkers waterfront.

 

Of course, when Bee-Line buses call it quits on Turkey day & Xmas, the BxM3 is a welcome sight for sore eyes.

 

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Prior to the 1990s, cars did not go through regular maintenance cycles and as a result cars got into really bad shape. The R46s as well. As the MTA was trying to recover from its low in the 1970s and early 1980s, it focused on its subway equipment. It instituted GOH, General Overhauls for older subway cars. The cars were essentially rebuilt from top to bottom. As part of the R46s GOH, it got LCD displays. The R68s came into service in the mid to late 1980s and since they were given regular maintenance they did not get overhauled. They get SMSed.

 

I can see that you have a lot to learn about the history of the transit system.

It's why I'm here[emoji4]

 

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No (F)s terminate at Second Avenue, and RANDOM (F)s are R46s. They aren't for specific trips. They also operate on the Rockaway Park Shuttle.

Thanks. You confirmed my suspicions. I figured those PT trains were R46 cars after all.

 

For such old cars, why do thy have displays but the R68A's don't?

 

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Close but no cigar. Yes the and use them. The is assigned four trains in addition to the R160s on the line. However, the Kings Highway trains during the rush can be both R160s and R46s.

 

I did notice a few years ago when I used the more regularly that you were more likely to see the R46s on the Coney Island trains, I assume because they prefer the trains with clear automated announcements on the short turns.

 

As mentioned by Union, there are no scheduled trains to 2 Avenue. That is purely an emergency terminal nowadays. If you saw a 2 Avenue bound at some point, there must have been some sort of disruption.

 

 

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I took a picture of one at Bay Pkwy earlier this year. It was one of my Google+ cover photos.

 

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The last time the ran R46s was during the derailment in 2015.

The R46. Used by the , some peak to Kings Hwy or 2 Av - Houston, and the ?

 

Alright. I know the difference now.

 

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MTA Bus, not NYCT. They don't mention the Bx6 either.

Isn't MTA bus the tall coaches? There are still fragmentations in ownership? I know there was decades ago...but aren't the Bx & Q both NYCT routes?

 

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The doesn't use R46s anymore, and they most likely aren't gonna be on the during the shutdown.

 

They don't? Then what are those cars used by the ? They seem more spatial than the R68A, but what are they?

 

 

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Anyone else notice how unstable the suspension is on the R46s? Like riding on a waterbed- it's ridiculous...

You notice too? They wobble as they exit the station, especially trains.

 

And they're talking tens...the nerve[emoji34]

 

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The is slow as always. :l

Maybe I don't notice it because I arrive with little headway. Or because I ride suburban transit.

 

Or because during #Blizzard2016, it was top train instead of the .

 

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Recently, I waited at northern Blvd Manhattan bound platform for 33 mins and 3 M trains passed until an R train showed up!

 

 

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Not necessarily faster, but higher priority. service isn't fixed like the . And service finishes a few stops sooner than the .

 

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