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By doing that, you’re bringing back Queens boulevard of yore — an overcrowded, expressophilic mess. The going to 63rd takes half of exp service to a less busy corridor, forcing riders to at least consider the local. Putting it back on 53 and the on 63 not only gives riders little reason to stay on the local destination-wise, but also eliminates xfers to the and from half of trains serving QB local west of Roosevelt. That will once again create massive platform crowds, demonic express trains, and underutilized locals, all for what benefit? Putting things back “the way they should be”? Creating variety on 63? There’s a reason the current service pattern exists, and it’s a good one.

Terminating the there normally is a terrible idea. You'd clog the interlocking with trains snaking across 2 lanes of traffic to access the middle layup track. This is why the was cut back -- too damn inefficient.

Interesting about the — idk then. Maybe someone else will comment. ...doink! I did not read your post fully. My apologies. Yes, then the could be sent to Howard beach, the only issue being that it wouldn’t allow trains to head directly to Jamaica yard once terminated, and in terms of maintaining service, is farther away so would lengthen headways. Given that weekend/late night service is already atrocious, I think it’d be better to rationalize flagging rules, no? The fact trains have to crawl at 10 for about a quarter mile on all adjacent tracks seems arcane... there must be some sort of happy medium between what we have and what existed before.

What would happen to 67 ave?

As circular as this sounds, because the was running express. It usually goes local 96-Chambers but there was obviously some GO that had them going exp.

I don’t think I understand what you’re asking. Are you asking if you can add trains onto a branch from a main? If so, yes, of course you can — if you couldn’t there would be no branching in our subway. If you’re asking if that is politically feasible, it depends/is complicated. In the RBB’s case, I’d think it’d be possible.

Good points on engineering aspects. I was thinking that you’d use the express platform provisions at Woodhaven, create side platforms for LIE service, then tunnel under the service roads until the park (or thereabouts) where the line would ascend onto an AirTrain like structure above the expressway. Yes, community opposition to els is a thing, but given that there would be stations, and they already have an expwy there, it shouldn’t be that bad. Agreed that the RBB is a subway line in waiting though — parallels a busy corridor and is an existing rail ROW. Maybe the one that isn’t built can be tied into a bypass/Northern boulevard line..

Exactly. What I’m saying is that you’re net benefitting fewer ppl by doing that than with LIE. Those rock people have train service. People in Eastern queens don’t.

I'm sure I've brought this up before, but why all the hype over the RBB? Aside from the short segment north of Forest Park (which can be taken care of with LMB service), it serves areas that already have some sort of subway access. Using QBlocal capacity to build out over the LIE to, say, utopia parkway brings access to many more people and areas than the RBB ever would. So why is this the holy grail?

+expand service for Penn Access and normal ridership increases.

I’d say design for maximum given market . The LIRR will never order M series cars with R160 bench seating because they will never carry enough passengers to warrant it, and the service they’re providing. Same applies to airlines. Ryanair will pack 737-800s with 189 seats, but Emirates would never think of putting 440 seats on a 77W, given the long-haul market those planes serve. In the case of buses, well, depends on what your route is. High density, high frequency, still crowded, cull seats. Otherwise, keep.

(Idk why this posted in 2 parts)

Exactly. It really takes a certain type of insecure to see a stroller as a challenge to ones masculinity. In regards to other the above post, I also don't see how women's convenience/rights threaten men. This world isn't a zero sum game.

I do not support strollers on buses. Fold/carry. You ride, you follow some common sense rules. Much like no tripods on platforms, no dancing in the train, etc. However, I showed this thread to a female friend of mine — one who is definitely middle of the road sociopolitically — and she (again, while agreeing with the general point) was disgusted by the way people here were speaking of women. I hope the lady friends y’all ostensibly have are cool with this...

Ding ding ding! Only airline that serves all 6 NY airports (or did last year)

Fun fact: in a way, the first station with platform screens was the south ferry inner loop. See: https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?44170 The curve there was too sharp for all doors to platform safely, so conductors opened just the middle door in every car.

I never said the car wasn’t fixed. If you look at the context for my original post, you’ll see that I just was adding to the list of mistakes made in the M9 contract process. Really no need for such an intense reaction, especially given if you’d taken the time to do the research yourself, you’d have understood what I’m saying.

See I work for the TA. This is from someone in LIRR management. Not only that, but it has been posted on many forums. If that still isn't enough, here's a Newsday article: https://www.newsday.com/long-island/lirr-s-new-fleet-short-on-space-for-crash-prevention-equipment-1.10613772 Nice use of royal we btw...

Garden City would throw a fit. More likely they keep the hodgepodge they have now. FWIW here's a track map of the new Jamaica interlocking: (from here)

Also FWIW the NTTs accelerate faster than the SMEEs. They just feel slower because they have functioning suspension.

Oh that's the least of it. I think I mentioned this before, but the idiots at procurement forgot to spec a PTC locker....change order time!

Get back to me when you’re on a set that breaks down. Because they do. Much more frequently than the rest of the fleet (esp. the 32s). After 50 years, I think it’s time.

Yes correct. ESA will be able to handle around 20tph at peak so Atlantic Terminal trains + new trains will head there. It's a shame -- they're screwing BK and Lower Manhattan. It'd be one thing if the Jamaica xfer was well designed but only one overpass will connect to the new platform. Classic LIRR.

I’ve always wondered — why do those extra tracks exist by 72nd st on CPW?