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Que? No, the benefit of this proposal is more terminal capacity in Astoria... Then you can send the (or as has been suggested elsewhere becomes and becomes ) up Second Avenue and make the a primary service for Astoria. That eliminates all merging on Broadway. Not only does swapping the not accomplish this, but then you're leaving the without a yard. This has been hashed and rehashed ad infinitum. Move on?

Is there any underground station worse than chambers? OTOH, I can't think of any...

Yeah, or more transit museum space (which would be nice because then you could take a the subway to it).

Nothing. They're redundant now. And for whoever asked how we make the Nassau line more attractive, you'd have move offices to Lower Manhattan. Which, seeing as we're neither socialist nor Washington DC, won't happen. Things change. Yeah it's sad that there's abandoned trackage, but such is the nature of progress. Deal.

Shoot me. We. Don't. Need. . Service. On. Queens. Boulevard. If the bypass is built, it will likely be after phase 3 of SAS, so that's where the trains will come from. I'd say via bypass, (second ave-179) via QB exp, as now, to rockaways, as now (cause riders need those QP xfers, unlike riders...).

*sigh*

I say no. 1. Too long -- Jamaica Center to [somewhere in South BK] all local is quite a trip. 2. It adds a merge to a pair of notoriously unreliable lines. 3. It doesn't provide useful service. People these days want to go to midtown. ESPECIALLY given that the is literally pointing down the tubes and would give supplementary service without adding merges, I really can't see the argument for this.

I wouldn't be so sure...

Wait why are running a Sea Beach Express service? Seems.... useless -- it's already express on 4th Ave.

We heard you the 7th time, Wally Seriously thiugh, if we must have an express, don't you think it makes more sense for it to be via 6th Ave express? I feel like we discussed that at some point... It wasn't optimal but better than a once-every-12-mins local...

The replaces the nights/weekends. The and run local as now. Nights you have 96-CI (Brighton), Astoria-CI (SB, via tunnel), Whitehall-95. Weekends, same deal just to 71. I don't see how this is confusing. Express to 96/125, and local to Queens. Express via Bridge, local via tunnel. Seems simple enough to me... The most important benefit of all this is the capacity bump. The local tracks will carry 30 through their whole length, and express will have >20. That's a significant increase over the restricted reality of now.

What's the use of that GO?

Much more interesting question: how would a southbound ever get stuck on the Broadway line in Lower Manhattan...

Bird poop train?

But why? It's much simpler to keep the shuttle and just do a full replacement of the . And anyway, that complicates post-PM rush/pre-AM rush put ins/set outs from CIY for the . (Also why the should run down Sea Beach)

That's gonna give you 3 services on one track at Dekalb... Also let's just consider the merges involved in this: Heading southbound: -With the at 63rd -With the and at 47-50 -With the at Dekalb -With the at Dekalb I like the speedy midtown service too -- I'm just worried you'll lose all those savings in a congested Dekalb.

Jesus, either make a GO and provide replacements, or wait until it's not about to be rush hour... Service Change Posted: 08/02/2017 2:33PM Due to track maintenance Delancey St-Essex St and Broadway Junction, the following service changes are in effect: and trains are running with delays in both directions. Broadway Junction bound trains are running on the line from W 4 St-Washington Sq to 2 Av then terminate. Broad St bound trains terminate at Broadway Junction. There is no and train service between Broadway Junction and Delancey St-Essex St in both directions. There is a train shuttle running between Broad St and Delancey St-Essex St in both directions. Allow additional travel time. Service Change Posted: 08/02/2017 2:33PM Due to track maintenance Delancey St-Essex St and Broadway Junction, the following service changes are in effect: and trains are running with delays in both directions. Broadway Junction bound trains are running on the line from W 4 St-Washington Sq to 2 Av then terminate. Broad St bound trains terminate at Broadway Junction. There is no and train service between Broadway Junction and Delancey St-Essex St in both directions. There is a train shuttle running between Broad St and Delancey St-Essex St in both directions. Allow additional travel time.

I would be for something like that if the frequencies worked out. If you're splitting N service which runs ~8tph during peak, you're going to get two services running every 15 minutes each, something that will harm commuters by reducing predictability. People like to be able to plan ahead, and you're not letting them do that. What I suggest instead is basically what everyone else has been saying: extend the W down Sea Beach. No new services, simpler merges, and more service on all the corridors you mention.

Think of it this way. If a round trip takes x minutes, and you want y headway between trains, you'll need x/y trains in service (+spares). That's oversimplified, but basically how things are done. The total number of trains in service on a route has no bearing on a line segment's capacity -- the space between them is what counts. The only concern with # of sets is yard space.

It's Monday, y'all.... Due to ongoing track work and construction between 8 Av and 86 St, southbound trains are running on the line from 36 St (Bklyn) to Coney Island-Stillwell Av. Free Shuttle buses are running in both directions between 36 St (Bklyn) and Coney Island-Stillwell Av. Transfer between trains and Shuttle buses at: 36 St (Bklyn) and Coney Island-Stillwell Av . Expect delays in train service. Allow additional travel time.

Still doesn't solve this ^^^^

Well then send it to some other South Brooklyn terminal. It's not like we don't have options... And in fact, if you sent it somewhere on the Sea Beach, you could replace the on evenings and weekends with the , simplifying things. Finally, fourth ave has been begging for service ever since the brown went away -- here's an opportunity to give it to them. Astoria riders may be pissed they don't get express service, but that makes a what, four stop difference over current? It also gives them more service to lower manhattan/downtown brooklyn, two growing jobs centers. The fact is that broadway is currently limited by a stone age service pattern that has trains switching from local to express mid-corridor. In an age where everyone is gasping for more subway capacity, letting this opportunity to optimize pass us by seems irresponsible. Right now the corridor runs about 30 trains per hour, and really can't add many more. With these service changes, we will get closer to forty five.

....doink! Should have thought of that. Thanks for the feedback -- just toying around with things.

Strange idea, but what if the late-night was sent to Chambers instead of Whitehall? It'd get it *much* better connections ( , , , , vs / ). The only drawback I see is the confusion factor, but what do y'all think?