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So? It's legal and done all over the country.. I actually quite like the idea...

Please point to where you say that.

And, pray, what market does this serve? Is the 500 foot journey between stations that perilous? The delays on lex from the merge will be awful, rush hour or not, and if you're running a shuttle whose uselessness has been hashed and rehashed over and over again on here and elsewhere during rush hours, I don't see this being of any use. Give up. The MTA is never starting BG SF up again.

Yup! Wiki is crowdsourced, but actually quite reliable. You'll always hear stories of crazy things slipping under the radar, but that's life. You can trust it. And for all of you who still won't trust it, then you shouldn't use Google maps either. It's crowdsourced too.

So just now, I changed the power of the 179s to "rats on treadmills." Let's see how long it takes them to fix it. Start your clocks!

They already start a bunch of s from 137th... Why not do express from 145th to 96th as a pliot? I for one am not convinced we need exp in the bx. We're doing it for the benefit of riders at 1 station...

Jeez. Where aren't you extending the SAS. I've heard LGA, the bronx and now this from you. And needless to say, JUST ADD SERVICE! We don't need to spend an extra billion on connecting an already pricy crosstown extension to the bronx just so the MTA can run extra service from the east side when the is out for mx.

Interesting; thanks!

Will 179s and 160s be allowed to run together in a consist?

What happened this AM on the , , , lines???

Explain?

Both those stations have the . Riders North of ozone park can transfer to the or , or ride south and take the . If they want more Lower Manhattan access, they can push for an extension of the to OP and a devotion of the to Rockaway terminals.

The load button on the bottom right corner. Click, choose the file, and you're all set.

Dear God please don't EVER post an entire JSON file again. My hands hurt from all the scrolling. And just upload the JSON to the brand new subway website. It's pretty easy.

I still don't see the logic behind this, sorry. Whitehall can only turn a few (7?) tph, and lower manhattan riders already have access via the line, which will always be faster than taking the QBL local there. Furthermore, if you end the at Astoria, you're eliminating direct access to a yard, complicating operations and clogging the West End line with OOS trains. Extending the doesn't involve any yard swapping, and provides the Rockaways with more frequent service. The only drawback I see with the extension is that one doesn't have easy access to the 7th avenue lines. I'd say because the area is straddled with the 6th and 8th avenue lines, it's OK.

In the purest sense, you're right. But if the RBB is rebuilt, I still think it would not only be easiest but best to extend either the or down there, which also solves the fumingation problem at 71st Ave. If you can give me a case as to why your plan is better, I'm all ears, but until then, the above seems best.

Yes. Also you'd be denying RBB riders a one seat ride to Midtown, thereby eliminating any gains from the route.

They kind of won't CI to Atlantic, local. becomes shuttle train from 59th to 95th street. 2 trains run, one on each track. 96th street - 63rd street, local. service is doubled, extended to CI, and made local in Brooklyn. Astoria - Queens Plaza shuttle. service increased local in queens, replaces as local east of 71st.

RBB commuters who want to get to lower Manhattan can take the . I was thinking something along these lines: Unchanged via bypass Beach 116 to Metropolitan avenue, via QBL local Extended to 179th street Up 2nd avenue (so you don't have to deal with the crossovers south of 42nd) or via bypass to Port Washington. I like that idea. One question is how will the cover Astoria, QBL exp and QBL local and still fit into 60th Street... Finally, to 14tph and 9th Ave. As far as convincing PWers that subway is the way to go, wave the lower fare in their face, and point out that there will be trains every few minutes. Also make sure to put very new looking cars in all the renderings.

How would tunneling under the LIRR work? That sounds like a PITA... With CBTC, how many combined tph will QBL express and the bypass have?

I couldn't agree more. However, there is something to be said for express service between, say, 137th and 96th (157th to 96th is too far). You have a center track in that stretch, and one could run locals from 137th yard to cover service losses. (I'm thinking maybe 2/3 of trains from the bx would go express..?) This would help reduce crowding and travel times.

On a slightly different thread, has the MTA ever considered extending either the or to 179th street? Then the could run on the express tracks beyond Forest Hills, and local trains wouldn't get so backed up because of fumingation.

Points taken, but the question still stands: how do QBL local riders get to 2nd Ave at all? to 51st? Then you're suffering through local stops, as you say. 3 legs? Bostonian problem. / to the to the ? With this, you're really inconveniencing east side riders. In my version, there are connections of sorts to everywhere. I see the circularity here. It's really a pick your poison problem. I honestly don't know anymore. Someone in another thread brought up the idea of making the a QBL local. Thoughts?

Yes, but the QBL 6th Ave is a local. I doubt that many -- if any -- people will choose when the is an option. It also helps by taking the load of Manhattan bound commuters off of the and onto the . In response to your other post, point taken about merging. But as for those who are going to 6th Ave, of course they'll choose the bypass. Why sit through a bunch of QBL local stops when you don't have to. And by definition, both proposals will relieve crowding at Jackson heights.

I like the RBB idea. It solves fumingation at 71st ave also, which is a BIG + Both to you and to pringle505, I don't like via bypass, because of a lack of connections in Manhattan. You want to make the fast service useful for the greatest # of people. should use it, with the becoming QBL normal express, and all other routes staying the same. And also, what is the need for the on QBL. It makes no sense.