Italianstallion

Amazing detail. One think you learn is how much more rapid the rapid transit was back then. For instance, the schedule run times for the 6 express and local during am rush from Parkchester to Grand Central were : Express - 30 min. Local - 36 min. Today's scheduled runs are: Express - 36 min. Local - 40 min. And the 2 express from 241st St. to 42 St: 1977 time - 49 min. Today - 58-62 min.

Not exactly. There are 2, disconnected, existing tunnels - 99 to 105 and 110 to 120. The 106 St. Station will be excavated via cut and cover, while boring will be required from 120 to the terminus at Park and 125.

You can see how the Kills ends under the S or T of HISTORIC, by the tracks. A western branch ends in a swampy area by the capital L. I believe those blocks in between the two are the village of Dutch Kills.

Someone on Subchat posted an article that the Dutch Kills Civc Assn. lobbied the MTA to change the station name.

So, all the stations appear to be cut-and-cover. Also, interesting that there is no bedrock north of 96th. That should make boring easier.

I did some research on this area. The original Dutch Kills creek, a tributary of Newtown Creek, extended through what is now Sunnyside Yards and ended at 38th Ave. and Northern Blvd. - so, very close to the 39th Ave. station. (The creek was covered over by the yards and then canalized so that it now ends south of Queens Blvd.) There was a village of Dutch Kills near the current Dutch Kills Playground at Crescent St. and 36th Ave. The village became incorporated into Long Island City. In 2008, the area, largely industrial for over 100 years, was rezoned to encourage residential use. This seems to have had the desired effect, and some gentrification has occurred. Having grown up in Astoria, I can say that no one ever used the term Dutch Kills. It was always Long Island City, or in its northern areas, Ravenswood.

Wow. Nice, thanks.

That name is a holdover from the NYW&B.

Yes, but extremely rare. Not sure Dutch Kills, which most New Yorkers have never heard of, merits the honor.

A variation on the old saying - a late train (or bus) only gets later.

DOT is supposed to do that coordination.

So, is this a new thing, putting neighborhood names on stations that are not terminuses?

Yep, my bad.

Will they also change the name of the 39th St. M/R station, which is 3 short blocks away, to Dutch Kills as well?

Not made up, but it's interesting that at least one of the historical maps shown on that Association's website shows Dutch Kills as being south of present-day Queens Plaza, while the Association covers an area exclusively north of QP.

It's way past due to remove the Beebe name - that was officially changed to 39th Ave. a hundred years ago, for God's sake! But Dutch Kills? Does anyone around there call it that? It must be a hipster thing.

Thank you.

Where on the website is the LIRR board? I can't find it.

But it actually ain't. MTA does not do streets.

This happens all the time, for years.

Street paving is the job of the NY City DOT, not the MTA.

If I counted right, the southbound R speedups would save 85 seconds on the full run.

It's residential, but high density. And there are plenty of ridership generators there -- the UN; Bellevue, Beth Israel, NYU and VA Hospitals, Stuyvesant Town, public housing, the Water St. office buildings. One problem is that it'll dead-end in the Financial District. It needs a Brooklyn connection.

One small improvement that will help a bit on the Deegan northbound. The state DOT is about to put a contract out to bid to reconstruct the Deegan between 161 Street and I-95/Alex Hamilton Bridge. As part of this, there will be a fourth northbound lane added in that stretch. That will alleviate the constant backlog of GWB-bound traffic that clogs up the Deegan through-traffic, freeing up the 2 westernmost lanes for through Deegan traffic. Of course, this project won't be finished for about 3 years.

Not only should there be a station in Livonia Yard, the line should be extended a little bit farther down (on an elevated structure) to a terminus between Spring Creek Towers (Starrett City) and the adjacent shopping mall.