Coney Island Av

13 hours ago, R10 2952 said:

Simply put, the Phase I R32s were in better shape than the rest.  By comparison, the CI R42s and Phase II R32s were absolute garbage towards the end...

honestly there really was nothing wrong with the Phase II R32s besides their unreliable breaking systems. their bodies were in pristine condition like the Phase Is, only reason why MTA decided to get rid of them before the rest was because of the reason I mentioned earlier and they also basically wanted all the old equipment out at the time with the R160s coming in. 

as for the CI R42s, yeah those were in terrible shape. its amazing how the R32s have outlived the R38s, R40/R40Ms, NYCT R44s, and now the R42s throughout the years. 

once the jamaica-coney island swap is complete, would CI need some more additional R46s from 207/pitkin? 

3376-77, 3380-81, 3500-01, 3574-75, 3716-17, 3774-75, 3888-89 along with 3628-3669 back in service (according to the fleet swap thread) 

1 hour ago, Lawrence St said:

Franklin Av mis-match? 

basically, the original 3669 was damaged in a derailment along the Franklin shuttle in 1974. meanwhile, 3628-29 were involved in a collision with an R42 in 1971. 3629 was scrapped, and 3668 was renumbered to 3669 (which is the one that @MeeP15-9112 is talking about), and the new 3669 (aka ex-3668) was paired up with 3628, and voila. that's why 3628-3669 are paired up like that. 

looks like the man responsible behind this tragedy has now been identified/shown on camera according to this.

https://www.pix11.com/news/local-news/manhattan/man-wanted-in-connection-to-fatal-subway-fire-police

11 minutes ago, MHV9218 said:

^ One thing about the firefighters, their name probably isn't coming up for a reason...not sure if everybody followed the photo incident but a lot of people in RTO are pretty angry with the department right now and I for one don't blame them. Very inappropriate, very juvenile, very disrespectful. 

i see. could u possibly elaborate on what exactly happened with the firefighters? reason why i brought them up was because i wasn't aware of any type of incidents they were involved in as a part of this just as u said. i also have not even seen the photos relating to such incident on the firefighters because idk where the link is at. (though i have seen the video of someone exploring the smoke-filled station) 

26 minutes ago, MHV9218 said:

Why should he watch that? He's completely correct, and more people should have listened to his post.

Exactly what I've been thinking, if the account that the T/O called in a loud noise earlier and/or struck something on the roadbed are correct, it sounds as though this may have been a positively heroic action to the get the train into the station. The fact that the poor man was found in the track bed suggests smoke inhalation or exhaustion, since you'd imagine the natural course of action would to run away from the flames towards an emergency exit. Given that he was found so close, it does suggest that he may have started to do that, after heroically doing everything possible to get the train's passengers into the station. Again, just my assumption based on the details but it does start to sound like some truly, profoundly heroic stuff. Such a terrible story in every way and my heart just goes out to his family and loved ones. 

honestly even i was shocked to see the extensive damage to the R142. however, i am not mad nor upset regarding the fate of this specific set, just shocked about the amount of damage i saw. 

in all honesty, i agree with what u, VG8 and others said earlier. keep in mind i am directing this post not just for those who only care about that R142, but also towards u guys for what i believe is the most logical thing to do.

with that being said, we should put the matters regarding that extensively damaged R142 to the side for now. that does not mean we should not talk about it at all (or at least that's what i think). the ongoing priority is to find all the perpetrators who intentionally did this asinine act of arson/destruction, and properly convict/punish them. we should also honor and mourn the deceased operator for sacrificing his life to get many to safety, and also try to support his family, which needs to cope with this loss. and i am also surprised that no one here has mentioned the firefighters. more than 100 responded at a time which would normally be super quiet and they were brave enough to walk into the smoke-filled station to get the passengers out, which is something also to be noted. once the cases have closed, and all of those who were injured/wounded in the incident have fully recovered, then we can talk about that damaged R142 set. since it is the least of everyone's priorities for now, casting it aside will pose no issue as more information regarding the set will likely be available in the near future, after everything has been settled. 

58 minutes ago, m2fwannabe said:

The consist was: 6346/47/48/49/6350-6366/67/68/69/6370 (S).

6347 is not repairable whereas the body frame is buckled in roof and (#1) end wall in the immediate fire area.

Much secondary damage as FDNY fought the conflagration.  Note the station as well, eh?  The station will be down for a bit of time.  Possibly several weeks.

Not much sense to restore 6346,48,49 or 6350 to service without the "totaled" 6347.  Let's hear it for unitized equipment...

Does anybody else recall the time 1391 was burned out by a mad individual?  207 Street was able to put it back together.

Let's see if the media will reveal when they learn what the full story was aside from the heroism of the deceased (tragically victimized) T/O.

back in 1991 after the union square derailment on the . 1431-34, and 1438 were all unitized and retained whilst 1435-37 and 1439-40 were scrapped. the only reason why they were able to unitize those cars was because the R62s were in single units at the time. with the R142s however, its a completely different story. they are NTTs and can't really be grouped into a four car set if or when 6347 gets written off. 

another thing to note is the M7 that was involved in a collision at valhalla a few years ago with a car. the M7 in question (4333) did not return to service and i believe it was written off due to extensive fire damage. that is what they will most likely do to 6347, while the other cars (6346, 48, 49, 50) are stored and stripped for parts. if they cannot repair that M7 (which received less fire damage compared to this then i doubt 6347 will get repaired. it's better to strip that set for parts then spending a huge cost to rebuild it. 

6366-70 will probably return to service because those cars were unharmed (albeit probably with minor smoke damage). 

and sad to see the operator go (even tho i have already mentioned it plenty of times already). he really did save plenty of lives...

22 minutes ago, Collin said:

I think that most of the people who want it shut down aren't actually dependent on the system.  They own cars and can drive places.  They see the subway (and buses) as an alternative to driving, rather than the only option many people in the city have to get around.  A majority of NYC residents don't own cars.  The system hardly ever shuts down.  9/11, power outages, hurricanes, and one snowstorm (although that turned out to be unnecessary and likely won't happen again) are the only reasons I can remember that caused the entire system to shut down for any length of time.  It was only for a few hours in the case of 9/11, and didn't even last a week with the others, but was still massively disruptive.  Imagine what would happen if it was down for weeks on end.  In all of these cases (except the snowstorm), either the system couldn't run, or would be dangerous and with risk of extreme damage if it continued to run.

5 hours ago, NoHacksJustKhaks said:

 

@B35 via Church Me and my AP Physics teacher actually talked about the possibility of the system getting shut down (when talking about the coronavirus, before it closed schools), we both agreed it's basically impossible. The public would want the system shut down, without considering the people and workers it still continues to serve. People are instinctively anti-subway when tragedy hits, and it's usually not necessitated.

5 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

IDK, but what's starting to anger me (the more I think about this) is that this reeks to me of a crime of opportunity... I really don't want to start hearing outcries from the general public of "shut the subway down" or any monday morning quarterbacking thought process surrounding "the subway system should've been closed anyway".....

in my opinion the system should absolutely not shut down during this rough time. we have poor and middle-income families in places like ENY, brownsville, the south bronx, and harlem who can't afford luxuries like uber and cars and their sole/only method of transport is the subway. if the subway shuts down, those people will not get access to their necessities/means for living out their daily lives and will be stranded for several weeks on end. those who do want the system shutting down won't accomplish their goal because they are acting on the assumption that everyone will stay indoors, when that is/was absolutely not the case. the only reason why the coronavirus is deadly is not only due to a lack of proper sanitation/cleaning, but also because certain people are not taking proper precautions or equipped with protection whenever they are outside. the crime rate can also be contained if the MTA decides to make more preemptive security measures. 

and it's quite funny that the people who want the system shut down aren't even the ones who depend on it like @Collin said. the people who want it shut down should've honestly kept their mouths quiet from the beginning because of the latter reason. if the state/MTA really wanted to shut down the system, they would have done so already. the reason why the MTA is intentionally operating on reduced service is because they know that ridership is low, but don't want to shut the system down out of fear for the reasons i mentioned earlier. it's the same logic for maintaining service during late nights. ridership may be low, but the lifestyles of people here vary to a degree where there are those who are dependent on overnight service. 

point being, i heavily doubt the MTA will shut down service. they would have done it already but are keeping it open on the basis that it will save many others from being put at risk. 

besides the tragic death of the train operator, i am thankful for another thing. i am thankful that the fires didnt kill as much people as they would have. lets say this happened during a packed, regular weekday rush hour (disregarding coronavirus). the death toll would have been much more higher and catastrophic, and would have been much worse than what it was. again i'm not saying this was a good thing, i am just saying that it is a total miracle that the death toll wasn't as high as it would have been. 

while i will admit that i do indeed care about the subway (and the fleet in general) i also do have respect for the train operators as well. the operator still was able to get a good amount of passengers off the train and to safety. even outside this incident, they still risk their own lives by carefully trying to maneuver the trains properly, carrying hundreds of passengers. the burden/responsibility placed on a regular T/O even is super high all the time given that the safety/risk of many civilians/riders is all in their hands when they operate a moving train. this incident along with the deaths of two TA employees due to the ongoing virus recently represents a rough time for MTA, but one that everyone here will eventually recover from. 

2 minutes ago, DCTransitFilms said:

I think they got a suspect but I'm not sure.

on that note, has the suspect(s) been identified yet? 

and what was the name of the train operator who unfortunately passed away? and has the conductor been identified as well? 

57 minutes ago, Union Tpke said:

The whole set is likely kaput. 6346-6350. Even if the cars in the back of the set, 6349 and 6350, were not heavily damaged, I do not know what NYCT would do with an A car and a B car. 6346 and 6348 are almost certainly destroyed.

 

from what i am hearing, yes, 6346-50 will almost definitely either get scrapped or stored for parts. there is simply no way MTA can repair damage of that magnitude. however i have also heard that only the first few (maybe 5) cars were damaged. the other five cars in the whole consist were left unharmed and can return to service. also, did that  train behind the damaged  train receive damage as well? 

but in all honesty i am very shocked about this incident. the train operator is a hero for his actions when the fire broke out. 110 St will probably be knocked out for a good while due to it being severely damaged. this is a very tough week for MTA considering the death of two employees as a result of the virus and this. additionally, the pictures from the incident heavily remind me of post-9/11 photos, due to this vast amount of damage and destruction. thank you for updating us about the incident.

1 hour ago, 4 via Mosholu said:

Do you know the other pair that was involved in the fire @Coney Island Av?

i believe the other cars in the five-car set leading: 6346, 6348, 6349, 6350 were also damaged. from what i'm hearing it appears the first few cars (maybe the first 5) were severely damaged but the other back half of the train is still intact (don't know the #s of the other five car set at the back) 

6347 now oos due to being caught in flames this morning on the  between 86th and 110th. almost definite chance it will be retired and scrapped looking at its condition. 

6 minutes ago, Snorunts said:

Can you post/tell us where to find the pictures?

https://imgur.com/a/RjnFUaE?

R142 6347 taken oos due to being engulfed with flames during a fire this morning on the  between 86th and 110th. the car was in flames and from looking at the pictures of its condition, it's almost definitely gonna get scrapped unless heavy repairs are done to it. 

an R32 was running on the  today (don't know if its still out). 

2 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

Well, the line is suspended right now with no reason given so their might not be ANY R32s running today..

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/NYCTSubway/status/1242050102593757186

 

EDIT: another tweet says its crews are taking precautions against Corona Virus so maybe that's the reason the is suspended right now..

according to a post i saw on FB there's an R32 running on the  (departed far rock at 9:04 AM) 

11 minutes ago, MHV9218 said:

One thing I will say, I think this is gonna mess up the R211 delivery just as much as it messes up anything else, so even if we see the 32s removed for now, it's hard for me to see them completely retired without a legitimate replacement on hand...whenever that is.

not to mention the fact that these won't be in service until fall of next year (assumign if corona virus doesn't mess anything up) because they still gotta go through lots of tests. this is precisely why removing all the R32s from service is extremely dumb. the 211s may seem like they will be in service soon but in reality it will be almost two years till the majority of the fleet gets on property, and it would be the same amount of time we would be having a shortage while ridership is going up. 

even the R42s should have been kept in service despite being surplus after all the R179s had been delivered. they could have kept them for rush hour put-ins. thankfully, all of those retired R32s and R42s are only mothballed in storage (mostly intact) so they can easily return them to service if they need cars. 

29 minutes ago, m2fwannabe said:

Well if that's the case then it might have been their last trips on Monday, March 16.  Just four R-32  trains on the rotation for the morning rush (if that was indeed a "rush hour" LOL).

3928/29-3714/15-3477/76-3396/97.

3841/40-3736/37-3672/73-3646/47.

3727/26-3664/65-3865/64-3857/56.

3779/78-3895/94-3811/10-3513/12.

Nine R-179s, Five R-46s and Four R-32s.  That could be it!

not quite actually. on wednesday i spotted two (maybe three) consists of R32s in service on the . 

2 minutes ago, MeeP15-9112 said:

Imo these two sets should have been preserved, 3381 for its R30 blind end and the mis-mate for pretty obvious reasons as well as their long history in revenue and refuse services.

they probably will still save a few phase I R32 pairs even after all are retired. some will probably go to work service to replace the redbirds (logical because the 32s are structurally in better condition and there are already ten cars in work service). a few will get preserved, the rest get trucked out to scrap in NJ (we have still yet to see when the latter will occur).

i'd say they might save 3354-55 or 3360-61 because they were apart of the first R32 run consist to GCT in 1964. 3380-81 still might be saved, saw that set parked in storage at 207 a few days ago not missing any components. 3444-3777 i also hope they retain, but it depends on how many pairs they want to save. 

update: 4824-25 is stored at 207, coupled to R33WF refuse unit 19335 (ex-9335) 

meaning only four R42s stored at CI (4798-99, 4816-17) 

2 hours ago, Union Tpke said:

I have been in there dozens of times passing by in my family's car but was never able to see the E F G N sign that I had heard was there.

nice. the  sign there is a rare historic sign that still lingers even to this day- a reminder of what could have been over three decades ago. sadly there aren't much signs from this era still standing in the system today (examples i can think of: the jamaica-bound  sign at Forest Hills displaying old fonts, and also a  sign at woodside).

9 minutes ago, MHV9218 said:

That's fascinating. I never knew about this. That's off the highway proper, entirely inaccessible on foot? Judging by the font with the cut-e semi-Akzidenz/Helvetica, it looks like this is a 1985-1986 sign, which adds up given the switch in 1987.

getting a shot of it is possible, but very hard to do. it is underneath Union Turnpike, alongside the jackie robinson, so getting there on foot is out of the question. the only chance of getting a picture would be to be in a car when there is a lot of traffic and then snap the pic when you are perfectly aligned, but you'd need good cameras and lighting. 

some retired R32s they could retain (due to lack of Phase I pairs in the NYTM fleet):

3354-55 (was apart of first R32 run to GCT, 1964), 3360-61 (also was apart of the first R32 run), 3380-81 (only R32 pair to have an R30 blind end), and 3444-3777 (makes sense to save at least one mix-mated pair) 

also it is possible, tho not confirmed, that retired R32s will go into work service to replace the R33WFs. the WFs are in poor condition and are less durable than the R32s. if this happens, the WF work motors based out of 207th and 38th at the very least will go to scrap. 

Just now, m2fwannabe said:

First weekday I know of:  No (Zero) R-32s were operated on Friday, March 13.

to add on i have been seeing more R46s than usual out on the  and didn't see any R32s out on the latter either yesterday.