Coney Island Av

11 hours ago, m2fwannabe said:

106 R-32s still breathing (live).  That WAS the Planning Dept quantity before the R-179s were delivered thru the R-211 beginning.  Now maybe we know which 106?

As of now its still doesn't like this February 7 Car Assignment is taking place.  That's also showing 70 R-32s on the  (not zero anywhere I can find).  Its about the same quantity as on the  when they use their usual 8 or 9 trains, which they generally do!  The 70 on the  is also gonna make those get more and faster wear and tear, too.

there have been a few 46s on the  so far that ran over the past few days. as for the  there's only been a few 32s on it so far.

btw at 207 Street there are several tracks completely filled up with retired/mothballed R32s however most of them still appear intact. couldn't find any pairs that were noticeably gutted out for parts. 

on another note, 3786-87 (though OOS for over 10 years) has also been stripped of parts.

@m2fwannabe any word on when the recently mothballed (and retired) R32s will be trucked out to sims metal? 

i get that you all are unhappy about the  getting a downgrade in equipment, but it is what it is. the 46s wont be getting phased out until the R211 passes its 30 day test and start arriving en masse. 

the only thing you guys can do (if you hate the 46s on the ) would simply be to just wait a few more years. regardless of whether the 160s go back or not newer trains will start appearing on the  when the 211s arrive, but it will take time. 

the  might be 100% NTT now. rode it today from W 4 St to Neptune Av and did not see any R46s in sight (except for those on the ). 

apparently there havent been any 46s on the  since last week and its rare to see one now. most if not all the 46s out of jamaica are solely on the  for now. 

20 subway cars are apparently OOS due to a graffiti hit yesterday...smh...

20 hours ago, SimplyMyself said:

Before the swap CI had 580 R160’s (58 trains). Jamaica is only going to give 396 R46s (49.5 trains). CI is going to potentially need to have a few sets of R46s from Pitkin. So that could justify the idea of keeping some of the R32s.

this i agree with. the  wont be the only ones getting f**ked over but also the  themselves if the 32s retire this early. 

CI would have to give up at the very least about 495 R160s total in order to match the original amount of R46 trainsets out of jamaica. this would leave only 85 R160s at CI (or 8.5 trains) for  service. they could keep those 160s there but with the way the MTA decided to push the last remaining R142As off the  to the  theres a highly probable chance that even those too will go to jamaica. 

if jamaica gets all of CI's R160s CI would have to snatch a few 46s from pitkin like you stated (about 68 cars for 8.5 trains). this would leave the  short unless they retain the R32s. 

3 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

I think y'all is overreacting about the lack of spares in regards to the R32 retirement lol. MTA management don't foresee these problems but random railfans on a message board do..

Y'all is coming up all kinds of crazy theories to keep the R32s in service lol. Looking that always sunny meme..

i am sure NO ONE here, and yes no one wants to see unreliable service nor increased wait times/delays (or even worse, more budget cuts.). its very clear and obvious how retiring all the 32s now will backfire in the MTA's face. we cannot trust the 179s given their constant unreliability and defects. and so what if MTA cant give a sh*t about these problems? they have failed everyone in NYC to this moment purely as a result of cuomo's arrogance and absolute control of them like a puppet. the only reason they dont "forsee" these problems like you said in your statement is because they try not to care if what their doing will only result in more problems. 

it does not matter whether we on this forum are drastically inferior to MTA as a whole. the matter is that we are able to foresee these crucial problems that the MTA cannot. and what we are coming up with are not theories whatsoever. they are actual statistics and facts. if the MTA wants to strip some R32s its understandable, they need more parts and there are some cars that are the worst pairs out of those that remain. but scrapping all of them isnt just about any railfanner or foamer's wet dream. retiring them all now will impact up to millions of commuters who use the subway on a daily basis which is on a whole other level. 

when the 211s arrive MTA definitely has a reason to get rid of the 32s. with the 42s gone that only leaves the 120 or so remaining R32s as the oldest fleet left on the rails. retiring the remaining 32s now would only bring back the one mistake the MTA has always made: being too overconfident in getting rid of old cars, which has a tendency to backfire. 

8 minutes ago, Snorunts said:

They're really all at Jamaica?

yea Coney Island doesn't have any alstom sets no more. they are barely holding onto their siemens R160s for now given the rate this swap is occurring.

it appears that the 46s will be off the  and  by the end of march or april at the current rate this swap is occurring. 

one set of R68s is out and about on the  today. i believe that the  will get more R68s (and some R46s) soon now that all alstom sets are now at jamaica. 

44 minutes ago, Jemorie said:

Yeah no. Keep it simple. R32s stay at 207th Street (reactivate all 222 cars unless they already stripped a handful of them), make them full-length 600 feet to run on the  alongside R46s and the 13 ten-car trainsets of R179s, put all the four-car R179s in the east since they won't be equipped for CBTC for the time being anyway. 

43 minutes ago, R32 3838 said:

they already starting to strip some cars

that is true but most of them should still be intact, albeit just sitting OOS. example: 3610-11, 3484-85, 3770-71, 3518-19 are at Pitkin, the lighting is still on in those cars and they don't appear to be missing components. 

14 minutes ago, Jemorie said:

Yeah no. Keep it simple. R32s stay at 207th Street (reactivate all 222 cars unless they already stripped a handful of them), make them full-length 600 feet to run on the  alongside R46s and the 13 ten-car trainsets of R179s, put all the four-car R179s in the east since they won't be equipped for CBTC for the time being anyway. 

13 minutes ago, R32 3838 said:

they already starting to strip some cars

that is true but most of them should still be intact, albeit just sitting OOS. example: 3610-11, 3484-85, 3770-71, 3518-19 are at Pitkin, the lighting is still on in those cars and they don't appear to be missing components. 

4 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

Just imagine what would have happened had Cuomo not interfered with anything.

The RTS and D60HF would still be here.

The would be full length R68/R160. The would be full length R46/R179.

The majority of the R32's and R42's would have still be in service.

All because someone, who has no idea how transit works, likes to be the hero in everything. 

the RTS and D60s would have still been gone by the end of last year even if he did not intervene. MTA already planned their retirement before the shutdown was changed. 

and on another topic if the MTA decides to use recently-retired R32s and even R42s in work service expect at least some R33WF work motors to be retired and eventually scrapped. it happened a few years ago when the currently stationed R32s at 36th for work service replaced R33 work motors. the R33WF work motors aren't in the best condition so its reasonable that at least some will get replaced by retired R32s in work service. 

hello everyone. this a thread to showcase stored, retired or even some scrapped subway cars (similar to the scrapped equipment thread on the bus side of the forums). i decided to make this a thread because quite a handful of cars have been getting retired as of late so here is a page to showcase the full listing of retired/mothballed cars (as of my knowledge).

this thread will be divided into two sections, one where it lists the cars still on property but are currently OOS, retired and awaiting possible scrap. the other section will include already-scrapped cars post-2010. 

this does not include any cars preserved by the NYTM. i will also only be including retired/scrapped cars after 2010 to avoid making this a more lengthy thread than it already is, not including a few exceptions. feel free to add any additional retired cars to the listing as the number of retired cars will increase over time. 

bolded cars indicate converted to work service. 

Mothballed/Stripped Cars awaiting scrap/deposition

A Division:

R17: 6895 (Conc), 6813, 6850

R21: 7267 (Conc), 7243, 7211, 7289, 7278, 7296, 7210, 7055

R22: 7486 (207), 7303, 7340, 7657, 7446, 7505, 7659, 7691

R36WF: 9582-83 (were apart of the rail adhesion train but were retired since 2013) 

CWR Work Cars (R123):

DCR06-07 (ex-R17s 6813, 6850), CCR02 (ex-R21 7243), CCR04-08 (ex-R21s 7211, 7289, 7278, 7296, 7210), CCR01 (ex-R22 7303), CCR03 (ex-R22 7340), DCR01 (ex-R21 7055), DCR02-05 (ex-R22s 7657, 7446, 7505, 7659), DCR08 (ex-R22 7691) 

(the CWR R123 work cars are stored at coney island yard but are currently OOS and likely retired as of my knowledge. they have not been moved or used since 2017-18.) 

R110A: 8001, 8005, 8006, 8010 (all at 207)

B Division

R30: 8481, 8522 (stored at 207) 

**R32: 3354-55, 3384-85, 3404-07, 3416-17, 3424-29, 3436-37, 3440-41, 3448-3467, 3452-55, 3472-73, 3484-85, 3496-97, 3518-19, 3522-23, 3578-79, 3586-87, 3590-91, 3610-11, 3618-19, 3624-25, 3660-61, 3682-83, 3688-89, 3698-99, 3728-34, 3770-71, 3774-75, 3806-07, 3822-23, 3870-73, 3876-79, 3888-89, 3896-97, 3900-01 

3786-87 is also on property (stored at CI) but has since been stripped.

**all of these mentioned R32s have been taken OOS as of February 2020. most of them are still intact as i saw 3610-11, 3484-85, 3770-71, and 3518-19 sitting in Pitkin as such. however some cars like 3878-79 have since been stripped.

3383-3890, 3419-3740, 3471-3658, 3548-3593, 3650-3767 

*R42: 4792-93, 4804-05, 4808-09, 4810-11, 4814-15, 4822-23, 4828-29, 4832-33, 4836-37 (ENY) 

           4800-01, 4812-13, 4820-21, 4834-35 (Fresh Pond) 

           4790–91, 4796–97, 4806–07, 4826-27, and 4830–31 (farewell consist, previously stored at 207) in addition to 4788-89, 4794-95, 4802-03, 4838-39 (all at Pitkin)

           4798-99, 4816-17, 4824-25 (CI) 

*some R42s could be saved for the museum/work service but the majority of the remainder will most likely be up for scrap. last consist in service was 4790-91, 4796-97, 4806-07, 4826-27, and 4830-31 as mentioned earlier. 

R44: 5286-89, SIR 389 & 466 

R110B: 3002-03, 3007-09 (all at 207)

Scrapped Cars (post-2010, a few exceptions) 

A Division:

R33: 8812–8813, 8834–8835, 8996–8997, 9000–9001 (were work cars based out of 36 St Yard but scrapped in 2013, replaced by non-revenue R32s), 8889 (retired 2011, scrapped 2013) 

R33WF: 9312-14, 9317-18, 9320, 9328, 9338-39 (were work cars, scrapped in 2013) 

R62: 1435, 1437, 1439, 1440, 1369 (involved in Union Square derailment, scrapped 2001), 1436, 1367, 1368 (reefed 2008) 

R62A: 1909 (scrapped 2001) 

B Division: 

R27: 8145 (was the last surviving R27, scrapped in 2013) 

R30: 8424-25, 8463 (former school cars out of CI and Pitkin yards, scrapped in 2013) 

**R32: 3370-71, 3630-31, 3676-77, 3720-21, 3746-47, 3796-97, 3836-37 (were OOS in 2009, scrapped in 2013) 

R40: 4162-63 (school car at ENY, scrapped 2013) 

R40M: 4392-93, 4442-43 (were school cars at rock park and concourse respectively, scrapped in 2013) 

*R42: 4550-51, 4616-17, 4620-21, 4674-75, 4704-05, 4738-39, 4784-85 (were OOS in 2009, scrapped in 2013) 

R44: all cars except for 5240, and 5286-89

*eventually all of the remaining R42s which are retired will be trucked to sims metal in newark to be scrapped

**the retired and currently active R32s in 2020 will eventually be trucked to sims metal and scrapped 

Thats all. it took me a while to type up this thread, but i wanted to provide you all with convenient information on which cars have been retired so that everything can be complied into one database/thread.  while this thread may seem redundant, i feel otherwise given the scrapped equipment thread on the bus section of the forums (like mentioned earlier) and also this thread could come in handy later on when the 211s start coming in and more cars begin to get scrapped. i hope you all enjoy this.

-Coney Island Av

3484-85, 3518-19, 3610-11, 3770-71 are currently sitting in Pitkin Yard along with at least two other pairs which i could not identify. 

the cars appear to be intact despite being listed as retired. (unlike 3878-79 which has been OOS for two years) 

6 hours ago, R68OnBroadway said:

Why do they keep them around?

probably just long term storage. 389 is sitting dead in CI yard along with R32 pair 3786-87 which is stripped and vandalized.

the 44 pair in question at CI is 5286-89 which were just leftover remaining cars from the R44 scrapping spree during 2012-13. there are also a handful of old R17s R21s and R22s that are also in the yard (part of the continuous welded rail work train i believe) that are also retired and are awaiting scrap. 

10 hours ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

Ima say again that the R42’s final run was truly a Golden Experience. 
 

As with the foamers running out of every stop, that was something. I only ran out for 1 picture at 2 or 3 stations. I was in the first car during the 207th bound ride, every time a 179 passed, the foamers started chanting “Scrap that shit”. They did it too loud that the operator had to come out and tell them to stop cursing. At the final trip, I no longer had to watch over my younger colleagues from Transit since they were not my problem anymore. 

I also managed to show Mr. Byford my NYC Subway bottlenecks Map and took a picture with him. 
 

One last thing, @Union Tpke @Coney Island Av, it was nice seeing you two at the trip!

it definitely was man! i absolutely loved it when byford came on the loudspeaker at 80 St (tho sadly i didnt get a video of it). hopefully despite his resignation he will attend the final run of the 32s as well which is a possibility since hes considered staying in the city. 

and the foamers definitely were misbehaving lmao.

EDIT: another thing i have also learned is that no matter what happens in railfanning/busfanning (whether it be the retirement of the 42s, RTS, D60HF, etc.) i will always come back to fanning. its something i have never truly given up on and will never for the forseeable future especially since i have always  aspired to become a train operator or conductor or even a bus operator one day... 

4 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

The R32's should end on the line they started on.

they definitely should end on the  (which is where they first started). if not they should have them run on  or the .

2 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

I'd like to see the R32s on the since they haven't been on that line since GOH. The would be fun too.

would definitely be. both lines have amazing outdoor sections. 

2 hours ago, BreeddekalbL said:

i heard some foamers were misbehaving and they stole some signs and the "scrap that s**t"

they definitely were. at euclid avenue foamers were going apeshit and yelling and screaming when the 42 depart and they even stole some posters. additionally whenever we passed a 179 while on board the 42, the foamers were like "BOOO R179!!!!!!" the train was also mad crowded and packed. and after the final run the foamers went apeshit yet again when they saw a 42 across the platform. 

13 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

Is there anyway we can stop Cuomo from interfering with the subway? I have had enough of his nonsense.

sadly there is nothing we can do at this moment due to the stupid liberals being blindsided and supportive of him. also hes been in power for three terms and its another two years until we have a chance to vote him out. cuomo has done nothing good except for being a total jackass to the subway system and the city as a whole. and lets not forget diblasio who is only marginally less dumb than he is. 

as for the 32s MTA will probably keep the 130 cars currently active until the 211s pass their testing. that time would make perfect sense to retire them not when we have to rely on defective 179s. in the event they do get retired soon the MTA will most definitely just mothball them until they find out they dont have any cars to make service on the  and will be forced to pull them back out of retirement till the 211s arrive. and according to others there apparently isnt a scrap contract yet. 

in all honesty i agree with everyone that the 32s should be kept until the 211s. they pull them out now they will have no more cars to use for service if the 179s give out again (they definitely have a high chance of doing so since the MTA did little to fix the door problems). additionally if they retire them now service increases and fleet expansion will be almost impossible to maintain and accomplish. the MTA could only get away with retiring the 42s because they were low in number (only 50 cars) and were only on limited usage throughout 2019. the 130 or so cars of 32s are probably safe for now given the rate for retired cars has temporarily stopped. 

2 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

Uh yeah it is. Today THREE R46s on the  failed. Hence why I’ll stick with the R160s (and the lengthy wait)

this is why your decisions are based out of pettiness, not even reason or logic...

just deal with and accept the  being R46/R68As, you cant have the R160s on the line forever. besides, ur gonna get NTTs back in not even that long from now considering the 211s aren't far off from delivery and theres a chance that they will head to CI to replace the 46s once they are in service. you have  riders putting up with the 46s daily, you have  riders riding the R62As daily, you have  riders using the 32s daily etc etc etc, and yet they all dont complain about the lack of NTTs on said line. the average commuter is just going to take a train regardless of its age to go somewhere. if you wont change your mind thats up to you, but this is just a warning that what you are doing can possibly come back to harm you in the future. 

and also you really think that suing the MTA over the swap (which is something that will inevitably be finished) whether you like it or not is gonna do shit? lmao they will almost definitely care nothing about what we're saying and just continue the swap as they please. 

2 hours ago, Union Tpke said:

Thank you. I would never cut class in any case, and was only late thrice during high school (all excused due to screw-ups on the subway in the morning). I hope the younger members on the forums get the message.

as a high school student myself (joined the forums when i was 13, now i'm gonna be 16 in a few months), i don't cut classes often whatsoever and always make sure my grades are on top by doing HW and trying my best to study for tests. its only events like these where my mom allows me to leave school early and attend them, like with the TOMC on the  and other events.

although i will have to depart from school early on the day of the final run, i was being completely honest with my parents about how i wanted to go, and how this was their last time ever in service, and they agreed to let me leave school early and attend. my grades in school are good, and whatever work i miss i will take responsibility for and try my best to make it up. people should only cut/leave school early if they have a good reason to do so like me in this case. 

anyways, i think it would have been a little better to have their final run on the , given thats where they first started, but i'm still satisfied the R42s are gonna go out the same way the R40 slants did all those years back on the . i will miss these cars a LOT, considering that i rode them more times than i can count on the  and even the  back in 2018. its also possible i have experience catching these cars on the  when i was very young considering i have lived off of those lines since i was born tho i can't remember well since i was just a toddler back then. 

4 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

Previous fleets, such as the r46's, r68's and r142's, encountered the same issues plus worse issues than the r179's.

In fact, according to Wikipedia, the r68's encountered issues crossing the Manhattan Bridge during the testing phase. At least, the r179's have been crossing the Willy B with no issues.

MTA and bombardier dont even want to commit to making sure the 179s are running reliably. its pretty obvious that they (the 179s) still have door problems because A) they rushed them all back into service in only a few weeks and B) they hardly did any repairs. if they really wanted to commit to repairing the 179s properly, MTA would have sidelined them for another few more weeks or possibly months before putting them back in service. 

and lets not forget they all had a bunch of problems BEFORE testing....and they still have the same problems AFTER entering service. the 142s did have problems, but ALL of them got resolved DURING testing and they ran completely fine after entering service. and for the R68 situation, yes they experienced similar problems but all of them went through extensive work to make them run normally, unlike the 179s which still run like garbage after being rushed into service with minimal repairs. the situation for the 46s can be worse than the one for the 179s but that just goes back to @VIPs point about how technology wasnt as advanced as it is now. 

7 hours ago, Union Tpke said:

Thanks for the thanks everyone. However, this event is a one-off, and the politicians will take credit for it. We at ACCESS could really appreciate some of your guys help advocating and strategizing how to put pressure on the agency to reopen more entrances. There are only five of us who regularly attend meetings, and could really use the help. We meet once a month, typically at the beginning of the month. Just a bit of your time can have a big impact.

congrats. i'd also heavily suggest to keep it up and try to push for other closed entrances to be reopened, and also maybe try and convince the MTA to open up new entrances. 

okay so today there were about 6-7 R32 sets in  service. cant believe that MTA actually decided to change their mind about the 46s being banned on the  and im glad the 46s are going back to the . its a bit sad that today is probably gonna be the last of the 32s on the , but ive had my time with them and im satisfied. the day the 32s retire i will be filled with a bit of emotion as these are the last RFW cars and the main subway cars i have grown up with from when i was baby until now going on 16 years of age. 

additionally, i caught one R32 set on the  during the PM heading to lefferts but there could have been more out IINM. 

personally i dont understand why the MTA is trying to get rid of cars before the 211s are even on property. yes they will retire at some point but we dont even have any 211s on property atm. 

also, the total number of active R32s in service is now up from 122 to 128 (138 counting refuse/work trains). 3468-3445, 3446-47, 3818-19 are still in service as of today, i saw that set on the  like a few others did.

with the sudden retirements of the 32s this is what we have left: (correct me if there are any errors)

207 St Yard: (124 cars) 

3360-61, 3376-77, 3380-81, 3388-89, 3394-97, 3400-01, 3410-11, 3414-15, 3430-33, 3438-39, 3442-43, 3446-49, 3460-61, 3476-77, 3488-89, 3500-01, 3512-15, 3550-51, 3574-75, 3606-07, 3614-15, 3642-43, 3646-47, 3654-55, 3664-65, 3670-73, 3706-10, 3714-19, 3726-27, 3736-39, 3772-73, 3778-83, 3792-93, 3798-99, 3804-05, 3810-11, 3820-21, 3828-29, 3840-41, 3856-57, 3864-65, 3886-87, 3894-95, 3912-13, 3924-25, 3928-29, 3932-33, 3938-39 

3444-3777, 3520-3891, 3621-3644, 3628-3669  

Work Pairs:

3494-95, 3510-11, 3552-53, 3642-43, 3694-95 (10 cars)

134 cars left for now. 

2 hours ago, m2fwannabe said:

Evidently the idea was to dispose of the R-42s and the nth number of R-32s as retired this coming spring.  Maybe that idea is now tamer thanks to the R-179s unsteady footing?

personally i think they are retired, but are just getting placed into storage rather than actually getting scrapped (for now at least). however if we have another 179 issue those retired 32s and 42s can still be reactivated if need be, but if that doesnt happen they will probably be gone for good. time will tell whether they actually get disposed of or not.

also do you have any insight on where the retired 32s you mentioned are being stored at?