subwaycommuter1983

The C can wait until option 1 to go full length. The A and C need to be 100% NTTs before 8th Avenue CBTC is live? What's ENY going to do with the 8 car r179's displaced from 207?? Keep them idle?? Willie B can only handle a certain number of trains per hour.

They don't need to be idle during the weekends. The NQ trains can use them during the weekends. The MTA still has the option to run the B during the weekends. The B used to run during the weekends in the past (to 57th st though). More local service is needed in CPW during the weekends and the C by itself doesn't do justice and A and D trains need to remain express. Just look at 72nd, 81st and 86th St during the weekends. It's literally a zoo. It is not 100% guaranteed the BD will get r211's. It's still possible that Jamaica may get some of the option order of r211's and send some of it's r160's to the BD.

Looking forward to seeing more r211's on the C. Now that the M is fully restored, I find it pretty annoying to see so many r46's running on the C. Hopefully the C can keep their 8 car r179's until option 1.

It depends on the issues. Yes, there has been instances where the B has been suspended partially or totally, but there has been other instances where the B has been rerouted via 8th Avenue. Lets not forget that 6th Avenue is getting CBTC, so the B will need the techs whether it's r160's or r211's.

I heard the UFT is suing them as well, which is silly. If I were a public school teacher who works in Midtown, I would take mass transit to get there. Traffic is horrible and it's practically impossible to find parking in Midtown.

The MTA needs to order option order 2, so that the subway car shortage can be eliminated. Let's not forget that ridership is growing, "B" and "D" trains need to be fully NTTs due to CBTC. Also, the MTA will get more money through congestion pricing, so they better not make excuses for not purchasing option order 2.

That's 26 NTTs for the "A" train. I wonder how many NTTs does the "C" train have now that the "M" train is back to normal service.

I thought the Ts weren't supposed to run express.

Exactly, it's up to the train yards to decide the train order and how many trains per fleet are they going to run per day.

If it weren't for the r32's, the joke would have been believable. In the event that 5 r211's get pulled from service for whatever reason in the very near future, the r46's would fill the gap. Let's not forget that the r32's were retired before the r211's entered service.

April fools!!! 😂

The r46's occupy about 50% of the "A" train fleet. The "A" train currently uses about 42 trains. Divide that by 2.

The ~750 r46's are split between Pitkin and CI. The majority of the r46's are in currently in CI. The number of Pitkins r46's will decrease or is already slowly decreasing as more r211's enter service. Let's not forget about the r179's on the A/C trains.

My guess is that the MTA may be prioritizing the delivery of the r211As since it's a larger order than the r211Ss. There are people out there that are criticizing the fact that SIR is getting new trains before higher ridership lines like the "1", "3" and "D" trains. It's possible that these SIR haters may not be aware that the r44's are older than the r62's/r68's.

I guess the MTA wants the Jamaica crew to familiarise themselves with the r211's. We can't rule out the possibility that Jamaica gets a good chunk of the option order of r211's. We just have to wait for the MTA to confirm whether the option orders will go to Concourse/B train or Jamaica.

OOI would allow the C to go 100% full length, but we will need OOII to make the G 100% full length with ten car trains.

Thanks for the clarification. It's good to know that the A and C trains were originally meant to get the r179's as well as the base order of r211's, which will provide enough trains to displace all Pitkins r46's. The A and C trains need to be fully NTTs before work on 8th Avenue CBTC is complete.

The original plan was for the r179's to replace the r32's. If the C wasn't originally getting r179's, then the C would have kept the r160's that it had. A lot of C train riders demanded NTTs on the C. There are even newspapers articles in the past that even talk about the C always getting the oldest equipment (r10's, r30's, r32's, etc). And yet there are haters (mostly E, F and N train riders) that are criticizing and complaining about the A and C trains getting the r179's and r211's.

The C will most likely have to wait until option 1 to become 100% full length. It seems that there is more urgency to displace the r46's off the A and C than to make the C full length due to 8th Avenue CBTC. Therefore, the C will most likely keep it's 8 car r179's (except for the extra ENY r160's/r179's M train loans) until option 1. Let's not forget that work needs to be done on 207th yard to accommodate longer trains.

I wouldn't be surprised if by the summer time the r46's run on the "A" and "C" trains only during rush hours and a good chunk of Pitkin's r46's are either displaced to CI or removed from service.

13 (ten car) r211's plus 13 (ten car) r179's. That's 26 NTTs for the "A" train. Correct? I wonder how many r46's are still running on the "A" train (without counting the r46's that are still running on the C). Also, is "A" train still borrowing r68's from the "B" during PM rush hour?

I understand. That's why I wasn't specific in regards to what NTTs the B/D will get. All we know for a fact is that Concourse will lose the r68's due to CBTC on 8th and 6th Avenue. Ridership is growing and having 8 car trains or mixed length trains on the C and 5 car trains on the G doesn't cut it. Right now, there is NOT enough equipment to make both the C and G full length, but that will change once all option orders are in service.

Option 1 will make the C 100% full length with 10 car trains and may allow the G to get 8 car trains. If that happens, then the G may have to go back to CI. Option 1 will provide NTTs to the B/D. Option 2 may allow the G to become full length with 10 car trains.

I'm referring to the A train, which currently has 13 r179's (10 car) plus 9 r211's, or 22 NTTs. The A train will most likely be dominated by NTTs by the end of the month if all continues to go well with the r211's, while the r46's becomes the minority of the A train.

If all continues to go well with the r211's, the r46's will become a minority of the A fleet by the end of this month. Hopefully, the C can keep the r179's until option 1. I'm not crazy about the r46's running on the C. Pitkin should send the r46's to CI or removed them from service (not retire them yet) once more r211's enter service.