subwaycommuter1983

BRT doesn't work in NYC. More subway lines (including extensions) are needed in the outer boroughs. Light rail can also work in the outer boroughs, especially in the Bronx, which has a lot of transit deserts. Ordering all option orders of r211's will not only fix the subway car shortage on the B division, but it will potentially allow some lines to be extended and more service can be added on some lines. 4th Avenue needs more weekday local service, which can be achieved by extending either the W, the J or the Z. Also, CPW needs more weekend local service, which can be achieved by running the B during the weekends. Also, QBL needs more weekend local service, which can be achieved by extending the G to Forest Hills. These enhancements can be done once all r211's are in service.

75 cars is not a lot of cars, so there's no need for another yard in SI, unless the MTA decides to fullfill Gov. Hochul's wish of building a tunnel under the Verrazano Bridge to extend the R train. IMO the MTA should seriously consider at least building a couple of light rail lines in SI. SIR and buses don't do justice to Staten Islanders and crossing the Verrazano is ridiculously expensive.

Hello!!!! Subway cars don't last forever!!! Subway cars need to be replaced every 40 years. The r32's were in service for almost 60 years and became a health hazard for train crews during COVID. That's why they were ultimately retired. All NTTs are needed and are here to stay like it or not.

I just hope that the MTA fulfills their promise to speed things up with the r211's, so that at least 4 ten car trains can be delivered per month and at least 4 ten car trains can enter service per month. 2 ten car trains per month is very slow progress. Also, don't be surprised if the MTA decides to wait until option 1 or option 2 to increase the spare factor on all B division yards. It seems that the MTA is more focused on displacing all SMEEs off the lines that are running or will run on CBTC territory.

Who cares about the order in which the r211's get delivered?? The most important thing is that they continue to get delivered and gradually be placed in service.

I don't think so. R68's cannot run on 8th Avenue once 8th Avenue CBTC is done. 8th Avenue CBTC (which includes 59th Street) will be complete by 2025. B/D trains gets rerouted via 8th Avenue whenever there's an issue. Keep in mind that work on 6th Avenue CBTC will begin right after 8th Avenue CBTC is done, which will cause the D trains to be rerouted via 8th Avenue during the weekends. At some point Kawasaki and the MTA will have to speed things up in regards to the r211's, so that the A, B, C, D trains can be fully NTTs by the time 8th Avenue CBTC is done.

If the C gets r211's, then there shouldn't be any issues with the B, D getting r211's. The B has pretty much the same ridership as the C, while the D has higher ridership than both the B/C trains. Also, the B and C trains are not full time lines. Whether it's the r211's or the r160's, the B/D trains will still need to be 100% NTTs by 2025 not just for 8th Avenue CBTC, but also for 6th Avenue CBTC. As for the E/F, they will most likely get option order 2. It is still possible that option order 2 will most likely consist of r211Ts.

The C will most likely go 100% NTTs first. Let's not forget about 8th Avenue CBTC, which will be complete by 2025. This means that all Pitkins r46's and all Concourse/CI r68's have to leave the A, B, C, D trains by 2025. The MTA is already behind schedule with the r211's. Let's not forget that the r32's became a health hazard for train crews during the pandemic. That's why they were ultimately retired. As for congestion pricing it's a wait and see in regards to which lines will get more ridership and how high ridership will be.

The base order won't solve the subway car shortage in the B division. CBTC is the reason. We would have to wait until option 2 for the subway car shortage to really be solved.

I doubt that the base order would solve the subway car shortage on the B division. Let's not forget that 8th CBTC will be done by 2025, which means that A, B, C, D trains will need to be fully NTTs before 8th Avenue CBTC is active. This also means that the C will most likely become 100% NTTs with mixed length trains before becoming 100% full length.

In terms of numbers, the base order will be enough to displace all Pitkins r46's. Option 1 would be used to displace all 8 car r179's off the C and to make the B, D mostly or fully NTTs.

I don't think the MTA is in a huge hurry to make the C 100% full length. The 8 car r179's will most likely stay on the C until option order 1. Once the 8 car r179's leave the C, the 10 car r179's can go to the C. Has anyone thought about the possibility of option order 1 being split between Jamaica and Concourse?? In terms of ridership, it makes more sense for both the A and D trains to be 100% r211As, while the B gets r160's, while the C can become 100% full length with 10 car r179's and 10 car r160's and Jamaica gets a good chunk of r211's for the E and F trains. Now, if the MTA does decide to put r211's on the C, then they should put the r211's on the B as well. Both B and C trains don't run full time and both lines have about the same ridership, which is much lower than the E and F trains.

Nah, the C doesn't need open gangway trains. The C just needs to full length. Open gang way trains need to run on the lines that have the highest ridership. It the MTA puts both pilot open gangway trains on the A, great, but if the MTA puts them on the E, even better.

I wouldn't be surprised if both open gangway trains go to Jamaica, but IMO I think both should go to the E.

Just because mixing some of the SMEEs worked in the past doesn't mean that it is going to work with the NTTs. Not all SMEEs were mixed. The r44's were never mixed with the r46s and the r62's were never mixed with the r62As. With the NTTs it's not just the mechanics, but is also the technology that would prevent the mixing.

I don't understand the logic of mixing and matching different subway sets together. What's the point of mixing for r160 A with B or r68 with r68As?? Both fleets may have similar looks, but they are mechanically different.

Well you need to work on your reading skills. Where in the post did I mention that train crews need to leave the MTA and work somewhere else??? Even if they decide to quit the MTA. Guess what?? They are going to have to deal with cameras in other jobs. Also, why do you take the r211's camera situation so personal? Don't you understand that it's for the safety of everyone??

I just hope that those crew members that refuse to get qualified are doing what they're supposed to be doing in regards to operating a train. The fact that they are refusing to operate a train due to cameras show that they are a safety hazard for passengers cause they don't care about the safety of the passengers. Keep in mind that if they leave the MTA to work somewhere else, they are going to be surrounded by cameras. Employees shouldn't be afraid of cameras unless they have something to hide.

Thanks to tech and transit for posting this video of the third r211a in service.

We are supposed to get at least 2 per month. The problem is that crews are refusing to get qualified to operate the r211's. They refuse to understand that the cameras onboard the trains are for their safety as well as for the safety of the passengers. Wherever you work, in any field (retail, education, healthcare, food service, etc), you are going to be surrounded by cameras. If people don't like the cameras, then they are going to have a hard time staying in the workforce.

If these rumors turn out to be true, then that means that option order 2 of r211's, r262's, r268's and other future car orders will most likely consist of standard trains.

If they're complying with their job duties, then they should have nothing to worry about in regards to cameras. I'm assuming that all cameras on the r211's will be used to keep every one safe including crews. Subway cars are target for conquering, vandalism, crime and terrorism. Wherever people work (whether it's a school, a hospital, a restaurant, etc), there are going to be surrounded by cameras everywhere in the workplace.

FYI!!! Trains don't drive by themselves. Do you think subway riders are going to be happy about train crews refusing to operate new subway cars??

I guess the MTA is gonna have to get crews from other lines (and are open minded) to operate the r211's, while those crews who refuse to get qualified should be sent to operate the NQW trains. Why is it so hard for train crews and rail fans to understand that old subway cars are not going to last forever?? As for the cameras, it's for their own safety and if they are doing what they suppose to be doing, then they should not be worried about the cameras.

There needs to be more vigilance in subway yards. It is a huge safety hazard for someone to trespass a subway yard for whatever reason. God forbid someone could very easily trespass a subway yard to put bombs on trains. The MTA and NYPD need to stop this before it's too late.