subwaycommuter1983

It just a rumor. The 10 car r179's will stay on the A. It doesn't make sense to remove the r179's from the A unless the MTA is planning to put them on the C once the 1st option order is delivered and the C is already 100% full length. Right now, the A really needs to stay (at least with the base order) a mixed fleet of r179's/r211's.

The base order has enough r211's to displace the r46's off the A/C. The 8 car r179's will most likely stay on the C until option order 1. Keep in mind that there is a possibility that the C may temporarily get the rest of the 8 car r179's from ENY due to work on 63rd St, which will cause a service reduction on the M.

That's because other cities in the US have smaller systems and those systems are not as old as NYC. AFAIK I didn't hear any complaints from rail fans when the r142As were removed from the #6 train in exchange for the r62's. Oh wait, the #6 doesn't go to Astoria. That answered my question.

Because rail fans in YouTube are claiming that the r211's are going to subway lines that are not getting CBTC and have low ridership. They even have the nerve to say that r160's can carry more passengers than the r211's. Less seats means that more people can fit inside the train. It's not rocket science. These rail fans think that because they live in certain neighborhoods that they're entitled to always getting new trains.

I agree 100%.

I'm assuming that these fans live in Astoria. Less seats means more standing room, which means that more people can fit on the train. Also, they are against making the C and G full length. If option 2 is exercised the N/Q/W can get some of the r160's back in addition to getting all the r68's. The B, D, E, F should get the r211's. The Q can borrow the r211's during the weekends, since it's the only Broadway line besides the R that gets rerouted via 6th Avenue. The R can keep the r160's. If option 2 includes 8 car trains, then those can go to the M.

Any thoughts on this information that was posted on YouTube?

The reason I initially brought up the red birds is because it seems that some of the train crews that operate the A line may be stuck in the 90's. If those particular train crews are having issues with the r211's, then they should be operating the NQW, which are going to be stuck with SMEEs for the next 7 years. As for the cameras, it is normal in any workplace to be surrounded by cameras. If staff don't have anything to hide and is doing his/her job, then he/she shouldn't be worried about being monitored via camera.

Cause the MTA didn't order enough 10 car r179's and the C has less ridership than the A. However, ridership is growing on both lines. Therefore, the C will need to go full length. Unfortunately, were dealing with a transit agency that is stuck in the present.

I rode the red birds that ran on the #2 train. They were terrible. No AC, the lights were always flickering and water was leaking whenever it was raining. I was so glad when they got replaced by the r142's.

Still, if employees are doing what they suppose to be doing at work, then they should not have an issue with being supervised via camera or via face to face. This applies to all jobs in general. In the case of the MTA, train crews are responsible for the safety of thousands of people who ride the subway.

Well they need to get it together cause the MTA is planning to put cameras on all trains.

I wouldn't be surprised if those crews who are refusing to get qualified are crews that have been working for the MTA for over 20 years and have their mindset stuck in the 1990's, a time when almost all SMEEs (except the redbirds) were in excellent shape. We're not in the 1990's anymore. We're in 2023. Crews that run the A train need to get it together or the MTA will have to discipline them.

Thanks for the clarification.

DC is still putting NTTs on their trains despite their issues with Kawasaki, which was much more severe, than the r179's. Also, the FML in Philly has NTTs. I'm not sure about the BSL in Philly. If I'm not mistaken Boston is in the process of putting NTTs as well.

The A can't be fully r211's until the 8 car r179's leave the C. It will be very confusing for the C to run both 8 and 10 car r179s.

Yes, once the r46's are gone from the A. The 10 car r179's will stay on the A for the foreseeable future. Once, the C becomes 100% full length, it may be a different story.

How come the MTA and the media hasn't informed riders about these changes?

It would be ideal for both the C and the G to have 10 car trains, but there are not enough 10 car trains to allow this change to happen. We would have to wait for option 2. Option 1 will only make the C full length. This would have happen much sooner if the MTA would have ordered 50 8-car r179's to retire the r42's and make the rest of the r179 order 10 car trains in addition to the extra 10 car trains the MTA received as a result of the r179 delays. Also, both the A and C need to be 100% NTTs by the end of 2024 due to CBTC. In addition, the V and W weren't eliminated due to train shortage. They were both eliminated due to budget cuts that also eliminated several bus routes. These budget cuts were a result of the 2008-2010 recession. The train shortage was caused by the premature retirement of the r44's and the MTAs dumb decision of not ordering extra r179's.

There are enough 8 car trains to make the G full length. The problem is that there are not enough 10 car trains to make the C full length. We would have to wait for option order 1 to make both the C and G full length.

The C will get 10 car trains. The G will get 8 car trains. Let's not forget that option 2 includes four 8 car trains (32 cars).

They weren't retired prematurely. The r179's were supposed to replace the r42's and some r32's. The r32's were retired because of COVID. They were a health hazard for train crews who have to be switching cars to open and close the doors. Both options orders will eliminate car shortage.

What is the MTA's current top priority in regards to the C: - Make the C 100% NTTs for 8th Avenue CBTC? Or -Make the C 100% full length? That is a question that only time will tell. Any delays with 8th Avenue CBTC may allow the r46's to stay longer on the A/C.

As long as the C has 8 car r179's, the 10 car r179's will stay on the A. It will be too confusing to run 8 and 10 car r179's on the C. The 8 car r179's will most likely stay on the C until at least option order 1. The base order of r211's will just displace the r46's off the A/C. Just do the math. As for congestion pricing, only time will tell if ALL subway lines will experience high ridership as a result of this. Keep in mind that there are drivers that will prefer to pay more on tolls than get on a train.

For now it's 20 cars, but if production start to run 24/7, we could probably see 10 car trains delivered per week and we could probably see 30 cars entering service per month. Let's see what happens.