subwaycommuter1983

I wouldn't be surprised if by the summer time the r46's run on the "A" and "C" trains only during rush hours and a good chunk of Pitkin's r46's are either displaced to CI or removed from service.

13 (ten car) r211's plus 13 (ten car) r179's. That's 26 NTTs for the "A" train. Correct? I wonder how many r46's are still running on the "A" train (without counting the r46's that are still running on the C). Also, is "A" train still borrowing r68's from the "B" during PM rush hour?

I understand. That's why I wasn't specific in regards to what NTTs the B/D will get. All we know for a fact is that Concourse will lose the r68's due to CBTC on 8th and 6th Avenue. Ridership is growing and having 8 car trains or mixed length trains on the C and 5 car trains on the G doesn't cut it. Right now, there is NOT enough equipment to make both the C and G full length, but that will change once all option orders are in service.

Option 1 will make the C 100% full length with 10 car trains and may allow the G to get 8 car trains. If that happens, then the G may have to go back to CI. Option 1 will provide NTTs to the B/D. Option 2 may allow the G to become full length with 10 car trains.

I'm referring to the A train, which currently has 13 r179's (10 car) plus 9 r211's, or 22 NTTs. The A train will most likely be dominated by NTTs by the end of the month if all continues to go well with the r211's, while the r46's becomes the minority of the A train.

If all continues to go well with the r211's, the r46's will become a minority of the A fleet by the end of this month. Hopefully, the C can keep the r179's until option 1. I'm not crazy about the r46's running on the C. Pitkin should send the r46's to CI or removed them from service (not retire them yet) once more r211's enter service.

What is even more infuriating is that if God forbid something bad happens to these stupid teens, their parents will have the audacity to sue the MTA when in reality it's the parents fault for being irresponsible. What are these parents doing, while their teens are subway surfing? I just wish all r211's have the same components that prevent subway surfing.

Awesome. How many r211As are currently in service?

And for irresponsible parents to sue the MTA if something bad happens to their teen subway surfers. These irresponsible parents should be held accountable for failing to supervise their teens.

How? The C runs completely below ground. The NYPD needs to harshly penalize these teens (and their parents) who are involved in vandalism and/or subway surfing.

The MTA needs to install platform barriers (not like the ones on 191st, which is pure garbage) to prevent people and trash from getting on the tracks. This would allow open gangway trains to operate safely.

Bad idea. AFAIK the Rockaway Park doesn't have higher ridership than the A. IMO the r179's and the r211's should only go to Rockaway Park during rush hours until a huge majority of the r46's are gone from the A.

It's too soon to put r211's on the Rockaway Shuttle. What's the point of putting NTTs on the Rockaway Shuttle, when the A is still dominated by the r46's? I think that it's even too soon to put the r179's on the Rockaway Shuttle Once the vast majority of the r46's leave the A, then the MTA can think of putting the r211's or r179's on the shuttle.

Let's not get excited. The fact that the open gangway trains are only going to run on a subway line that doesn't have high ridership is a huge setback and defeats the purpose of having open gangway trains. It is also an indication that moving forward the MTA will only stick to purchasing standard trains.

It will be a huge waste of money if both open gangway trains are placed on the C. The C doesn't have the ridership that the A, E, and F trains have.

To add insult to injury, the r46's are getting vandalized and parts for the r46's are becoming scarce. If the MTA doesn't get their act together, we may have a massive subway car shortage that will either lead to Service reduction or some lines running shorter trains, like it happened in the 80's and early 90's. It may take a while before issues on the r211's are fixed.

Exactly, there are some people that just can't accept the fact that the r32's are mostly gone. There are even false rumors spreading on social media that the r32's are returning to service. 🤦 The important thing right now is to fix the issues on the r211's so that deliveries can continue.

If that was the case they would have retired all the r46's too. They are the oldest cars right now.

That was before the pandemic. Once COVID-19 hit, the r32's became a safety and health hazard for train crews, due to the fact that they have to be switching cars. Do I need to remind you that it was the r160's that were used with the r46's when the r179's were massively pulled from service in the summer of 2020?? The r32's are retired and are not coming back. Deal with it. As for the r211's they will be fixed and they will be back.

Sarcasm. Lol!!!

Really?? Who's going to operate them?? Do I need to remind you that train crews refuse to operate the r32's due to COVID?? Let's not forget that COVID still exists.

Fortunately, those issues were fixed and the r179's are currently the most reliable subway fleet in the system. The same will happen with the r211's. 2 years from now, the r211's will be as reliable or even more reliable than the r179's.

There's no point of keeping the r32's any longer when train crews won't operate them due to COVID, which still exists.

At least the r32's weren't vandalized prior to retirement. Lol!!! As for the r46's, I just don't know if it's "railfans" that hate the r46's that are causing these acts of vandalism or if these vandalic acts are caused by teens that have irresponsible parents. Either way, the MTA and NYPD need to impose heavy fines or jail time to those who are vandalizing trains and buses. Remember, if it's easy for a crazy teen to vandalize a train, then it will also be easy for a terrorist to put a bomb on a train. Safety first.

The MTA is never on schedule in regards to overall subway improvements. It seems that the gearbox issues are more serious than the issues that affected the r179's during 2019-2020. As a result, the r211's are obviously behind schedule in regards to delivery, testing and placement in service.