SimplyMyself

Back in 2009, the R32s were the same age as the R46s now. Yet, were on the . Remember they weren’t expected to be in-service past 2010, if it weren’t for the R44s. For the past decade, they’ve only had enough cars for a couple lines, since the R160’s retired about two-thirds of the fleet.

It doesn't make sense to do a R32/R46 swap between the that previously didn't work out very well, I won't believe it until I see it. If the R32s are going to retire next month, hopefully the realizes the flaws of this plan soon enough. The R46 spare rate will decrease if the R32s can't fill-in, and R46s on the are another story. Also, they managed to bring the fleet down from 212 down to 122 in less than a week. Under that rate, they could've gotten rid of the R32s already. If they're going to retire, what's the point of keeping them in-service at this point, and why has the retirement rate been put to a pause?

Since you guys consider NYCTSubway as a valid source on Wikipedia, and may consider it a valid source in general... The fact that they say "new fleet of New Technology trainsets" I believe signifies the R211s, since the R179s are essentially done testing and in-service. Also from the ERA Bulletin October 2019: "1,077 new Subdivision “B” cars would also be ordered as options onto our current R-211 order that will replace the R-32 class and oldest of the R-46 class cars." (page 20). https://erausa.org/pdf/bulletin/2019/2019-10-bulletin.pdf That's what I found. Let's see if the R32's actually pull through though.

@m2fwannabe Rode on pair 3672/73 today on the , however, the other three pairs attached to the consist were NOT the same pairs. Maybe they were officially retired now?

Awww boo-hoo. Seriously though, if riders can deal with them for 25+ years, I’m sure you can deal with them for less than five.

Do you have a source?

I can confirm the same consist was running on the today, Friday, February 7. (North-3673, 3819-South). I’m going to attach some pictures I took. With the builder plate: Leaving the station: I gotta say for an R32, this set ran so SMOOTHLY! No screeching, just a bit of bucking. This set ran pretty good. Also on a side note, they seemed to have put some yellow tape under the car number plate, as you can see from the photo. I saw it on 3818 as well, that’s gotta mean something.

Just because a train is NIS on a certain route, doesn’t mean that the will get the R46s. First, according to the MTA documents, 1486 cars (1250 in five-car sets) are getting CBTC for QBL, leaving about 40 cars for CI, @Union Tpke has also stated this somewhere in this thread. CI is going to need every R46 that they get from Jamaica. Second, I agree that some R32s should stay, but as a reserve fleet, mainly to be used during rush hours. If they get rid of them, they’ll probably make the fleet requirements really tight. Honestly by the end of this month, we should know the fate of the R32s, 122 cars is still a considerable amount of cars in-service. At this point let’s just see what happens.

I rode on car 3775 a couple weeks ago and noticed it was missing it’s manufacturer plates, and now it’s retired. Same case as 3877. Some pairs that I’ve ridden on that I’ve noticed still retain the builders plates are ALL still in-service. I could look for some photos if you guys are interested. Interesting that @m2fwannabe brings up the ERA Bulletin. From the October 2019 Bulletin, “􏰼􏰎􏰽1,077 new Subdivision “B” cars would also be ordered as options onto our current R-211 order that will replace the R-32 class and oldest of the R-46 class cars” (page 20). I guess this suggest that some R-32s will stick around like @m2fwannabesaid? That was taken the day the R179s were taken OOS. Since Jan. 24, the day the R179s were placed back in-service, we haven’t gotten a confirmation from the NYCSubway twitter account that the R42s were “re-retired,” so we’ll have to wait and see as to what will happen at this point.

At around 8:45am, I boarded an uptown-R46 train (lead-5492, 5530-back) at Times Sq. I noticed R46s on every track, including another R46 going downtown (probably trains via the .

I saw 2071-2075 today, and was disappointed to see all of its original rollsigns removed. At least 240th Street was more generous in keeping its cars with their originality. Also what’s the story about 2096-2100, I saw that set yesterday with 2096 with the new lighting, while 2097-2100 still have the older florescent lighting.

The horns were visible on many cars built prior to the R32s. I’m aware that they were on the Redbirds, R16s, R30s, R10s, etc.. Personally, I happen to really like this feature, as it seems very “old-fashioned.” Also, if you look at historical photos, you can tell that 3500-3949 weren’t delivered with the visible bulkhead horns to begin with. Car 3742: (1965) Courtesy to nycsubway.org Those 150 R32s were also the last cars to receive this feature, with the R38s being the first fleet to be entirely built without the visible bulkhead horns, so really the R32/R38s made the new horn placement, presumably under the car body into a standard for future car orders.

So I found out a few days ago about visible horns on some of the R32s (they were delivered like this). From the looks of it only 3350-3499 have it, while 3500-3949, apparently their horns are hidden under the car body. Here are some examples: (from nycsubway.org) Car 3407: Car 3798: Why was it that they changed the placement of the horns on the latter cars? Makes me wonder if the visible horn design was in some way flawed.

It’s unsettling to see a bright-minded man leave the when they needed him most. I’m hopeful that he left at least an impression on how the should be managed. Let’s hope that the doesn’t disregard his efforts to making the system better.

I don’t think that they’ll split the Base Order for the lines, option order 1 for one yard, and option 2 for another yard. For the R160s, when they were being delivered, the base order and part of option 2 were assigned to ENY (4-car sets). For the five-car sets, the base order went to CI, with option 1 split between CI and JAM, with option 2 solely to JAM. I’d say the base order will go to 207/Pitkin, along with some of option 1, since those lines are going to need it for 8th Ave CBTC. There are 354 R46 cars which is roughly 44 trains for the . You might want to have a fleet expansion for CBTC and for fleet availability/spares, so add 50-80 more cars for Pitkin. Now you have the . You can move those 13 R179 trains to 207, with maybe another 13 trains of R211 for the , that way it’s about 50/50 (All four-car R179 sets to ENY). With that all said, that totals to about at least 600-700 cars for 207/Pitkin. The other 700 or so cars can go to CI for the Second Ave Subway , Crosstown CBTC , and Astoria CBTC , as mentioned from the latest Committee meeting. As for Jamaica, that’s a complete mystery. If they end up for the , they’ll likely be scattered to the lines, like what happened to the Cuomo sets. At the end of the day, this is pure speculation, and as always anything is subject to change. Let’s wait and see as to what will happen!

This reminds me of how the city was replacing the old High Pressure Sodium (HPS) street lights with the new LEDs, a couple years ago. Many people complained about it, saying it was “too bright.” I wasn’t a big fan of the change, but things have to change. Same thing when it comes to the new M9s. People are going to learn how to cope with it.

According to my list I’ve been making, all R62As on the have upgraded with brighter LED lighting.

At 8:01:35, the speaker explains that the R179s will replace the R32s and R42s by the first quarter of this year. Does this include ALL R32s or some cars? I didn’t notice the speaker ever saying “ALL.” He just vaguely says that they’ll retire.

I wouldn’t mind seeing a transfer between Columbus Circle-59 St and 57 St-7 Ave . That would make going crosstown a lot easier.

9183-9187 and 9468-9472 are on the , just saw it at Lex-59.

What? They’re not slated to be delivered until July though... Can you post the link please? I wouldn’t be too sure about this.

To add on, as of tonight (January 15), according to forum posters on here: 10 trains of R160s have been transferred to Jamaica, and 10 trains of R46s were transferred to Coney Island. Also rode on an R46 train yesterday for the first time.

Don’t forget the R62As. I’ve observed two sets on the , and they didn’t even finish installing the brighter lighting on the sets. (2096 with, 2097-2100 w/out, observer 12/06/19) (2151-2153 with, 2154-2155 w/out, observed 1/9/20) 240th has done a better job from what I’ve seen. However, from both yards, some sets have yellow poles, while others have the regular stanchions.

So 8th Ave CBTC was awarded today, after being delayed for so many months... https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-subway-signals-cbtc-eighth-ave-line-mta-20200113-vlo2l24bibfypdkridikpetyki-story.html

So I was randomly looking through a SubChat thread and saw this comment. "An R179 is a R211 with 1998 color interiors. R142, R143, R160, and R188s can trainline with each other. R179s cant. R179s are an experiment of picking another generation of parts by the MTA for the R211s/R262. Door motors without limit switches, only stepper motor feedback is the "revolutionary" design on R179s." (bulk88) http://www.subchat.com/readflat.asp?Id=1534620&p=4 If this is accurate, then it is wise of the MTA to test these technologies on a smaller fleet, such as the R179s. It would be better to get these design flaws worked out for larger orders like the R211 and R262.