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You don’t know this yet for sure. Until EN converts the B82, they shouldn’t be going anywhere. It was in the planning, then it did change to only being temporary (in black and white), then it was put on hold I definitely. Note I never said it was cancelled. Then the new plans are now for a full conversion of both routes which wasn’t in the original plans either. So this has changed now several times and yes according to the new I formation this is what we have on the table now.

They were assigned when I posted, however neither of them were actually there. I also still show that neither of them have arrived as of yet.

No, this thread is for discussion on anything related to the fleet, operations and depots. However, as @Cait Sith said, it’s clear you don’t have a full grasp of operations. As I said WF has more buses than ANY other Depot, and the operations of today were NOT planned. The Bx6 and Bx6 local were not confirmed when the CNG artic order went in. You also have u planned maintenance issues and accidents everyday that eat into the spare factor. WF will perpetually be late now and then because of the operations demand Yeah I don’t remember saying it was in the city. It’s at the vendor.

Neither the Bx6 or the Bx6+ were in the plans when they were ordered. There was also no option as this was the first time MTA was implementing artics other than diesel. You all should also take note that WF has more buses than the average depot that are around the same age. This means they have to be rotated out for regularly scheduled maintenance, and there are the unplanned maintenance issues that are encountered as well. Not only that, WF bus demand and requirements are higher than any other depot in the city and you all don’t realize that. They have nearly 330 buses on average at all times, and not one of them are express. The 36 has artics on it now, and the total increased.

BTE assignments as of right now are split GA/MQ. We are moving into the final phase of testing for award to remain on schedule by years end. 9500, 9503, 9505, 9507 GA 9501, 9502, 9508, 9509 MQ 9504, 9506 NFI/MTA audit. Check the first page of Fleet & Depots for updates and further details . 1016 back to NFI 1017 is still at the vendor 6600 JK to LG

They already have 22 of the 54 total due. There are no unassigned buses any longer. Everything has assignments, including the next hybrids and electric artics now. Check the first page of the Fleet & Depots thread. They are going to remove them to be used elsewhere as the M14+ was shelved.

The Destination keypad (ODK) and signs are made by Hanover. The same company that has signs in the 4800’s and the RTS retrofits. You just aren’t used to the layout yet lol. I can check. Last I saw 1016 it was in standard livery. However, the entire XN60 fleet has an SBS base, so it’s nothing for them to snatch off the local wrap on any of the buses. I don’t know of a single person that that dislikes them because they are quiet. Lol. This isn’t really about a popularity test tho. It’s about a performance test. The lower 7000’s perform the worse. They sure don’t take off like race cars, although there are a couple that have been retuned. Still don’t accelerate as fact as a 2011 or 2018/19. They have speed, but the takeoff is the worse. They are not favored among mechanics or operators. The shift scheduling on majority of them are not calibrated correctly for NYC duty cycles. The transmission’s can slip because of this at times as mentioned by @Flatbush SBS Duece. There are a few more things wrong with these, and a few practices that bus operator like to do that will cause a bus to break down faster than it should also. But that’s another discussion. Second off, as a mechanic I can tell you that you that I agree and said they (2018/19) were better myself lol. They pollute less by default. The newest buses have EPA 17 Cummins L9 engines which are slightly cleaner than the EPA 15 Cummins ISL9 that it replaces, which powers the 2015/16 batch. That combines with the flawless shift scheduling of those buses makes them more efficient as well. The most popular buses are a matter of opinion and maintenance for the most part. If we are talking about active fleet, the most popular for reliability is the RTS. The most popular for looks is the Xcelsior. To a greater extent the XN60’s and XDE40’s have shit to the top of that list with the new XD40 right behind it. The favored bus for longevity is the LFS/LFSA because it has the same build philosophy of the RTS, which essentially guarantees it can last almost forever with proper maintenance. 7018 is out of NYCT’s first batch of RTS’ ever and to this very moment of this day, it will run circles around any RTS in this city, and keep up anything else quite well.

Yeah the 2015 Transmissions are the absolute worse. Thank MTA for those dumb ass specs they tuned the LBSS with. Many of them are being tuned again and are starting the run better. The best XD40’ are the 4800’s and the new 2018/2019. The new ones are rockets, but 4830 and 38 have to be the fasted XD40’s in the city. I don’t what the hell EN did to those two buses but I almost lost my mind in the B15 a couple days ago. On the XN60 side 1073 seems to be faster. The take-off is absolutely insane!

Someone just sideswiped 780 right in front of me smh. 1 Road call

I inquired about it after the post. This is one of the test specs. It’s the only unit that has it. And shame on whoever gave you a thumbs down. I missed all of that. Wrong random thread lol. Don’t feel bad. Apparently a few people haven’t got the memo yet that L Shutdown is cancelled, and the RTS’ are out in the next 12 months. We are scheduled to be down only 25 by this time next year unless something changes or changed.

Speaking of the B35, yes they seem to be in much better hands in Brooklyn. Also noting that I don’t remember seeing alternate specs on the XN60’s. Has anyone been on 1073??? Check these seats out.

This is why Bronx irritates me..... people just love to trash things. In Brooklyn, the XN60’s look amazing, almost as if people are making at a point not to litter...... But not here in the Bronx. The upside to tonight’s Bx6 evaluates is I got the whole variety. Even a D60 was out here!! That was a sight!

Not to nit pick, but my report as of this very moment shows 1016 AND 1017 at the vendor. 1016 has yet to be registered at WF even if it is on property. It’s still NFI property as of this moment. Not to mention it’s a pilot.

Brand new or slightly used buses don’t matter. As long as service is covered is what’s important. 1700-1839 are NG’s 1840-1884 are 3G’s. Both with 20 year tanks just like all of our CNG buses from the C40LF 4G’s and newer iirc. Why would Gleason even need Orion VII’s? And they usually fuel diesel buses like the RTS MetroCard buses they have, at other depots. I don’t think you understand MTA’s consolidation practices. MTA wants buses grouped by commonality for ease of maintenance and logistics. You are pushed ideas for buses to places that they don’t need to be, and there is no reason for them to go there anyway. Gleason has a full fleet of New Flyer buses all with common parts inside and out as they are the only C40LF 4G’s in existence. That means they are very similar to the Xcelsiors. This is why Gleason got rid of the Orion VII’s they had quite a while ago, and now the last few remain at West Farms. JG was going to get 8 XD40’s for L Train which would be easy for Gleason to house and do light maintenance on because they already have the common parts. This another reason why Staten Island politicians need to just relax for a bit. The only Xcelsiors going to the Island anytime soon will be electric. We don’t need to be shipping parts out there just yet. Now what exactly is “true BRT” in terms of your definition. Another question for you. Which SBS routes have you ridden?

True. I just don’t see them deviating away from what we have now unless they modified platforms. MTA is notorious for NOT liking plug-type doors of any kind on buses, subways or trains for a few reason. One is ease of maintenance, and self redundancy if the door fails. The particular side that fails will just remain closed. It’s parts are also commons with all NTT’s including the R211 and R262’s when it comes to the mechanics, thus saving on maintenance costs and parts stock drastically. The TA’s main concern is moving more passengers faster. The windows viewing range isn’t enough of a priority to invest in a whole new door design at this time, that would still have to be researched, developed, and tested.

I understand exactly what they are saying, and I agree they need new buses. All they had to do was ask the MTA, or read NYCTF. They went about it all wrong. As a borough, they have the youngest fleet average anyway. They just want brand new pretty blue buses. Lol It’s not SBS at all if you ask me. In this case it stands for “Super-Limited Bus Service” in my eyes lol. They need to build MVM’s and actually speed up the line. Off topic in this case is ok, because they (the SI polititions) are beating a dead horse anyway. Edit: XD40’s all have ISL/Allison That was an error. The XN40’s and 60’s have the ISLG/ZF set-up. Now getting into these power trains. The difference is because of the set-up, and the weight. The Orion VII E10’s (official Daimler designation) 7000-7089 are powered by (save the EPA upgrades) the same Cummins ISL9/ZF Ecomat as LFS’ 8015-8754 The E10 “3G’s” weigh about 2,000 lbs more than the Nova, thus requiring the engine and transmission to be tuned for more power at take-off. The shift scheduling, as well as torque tuning are different. Some of the Nova’s have been tuned, and take off a but faster than others. The only thing I don’t like about the LFS is this design. I feel like the structure should stay the same because its solid, and based directly off the RTS modular technology. However, I think the front needs a facelift, and the wheelbase needs to be expanded just a touch. The new windows will hopefully address the visibility issue, but a full redesign would address than just that.

Same bus as an NG on the exterior, save some body panels and the doors. Same bus under the hood as the XD40’s and LFS’s. They are actually quite different. The only common parts are most of the exterior panels and some interior components. They have different engines, drivetrains, components, parts, breaks, suspensions, exhausts, power supplies, HVAC systems and more. They don’t have a different fuel system........ That’s one of the very few things that are exactly the same lol. Yes they do have the same power rain as I was mentioning to everyone above. Don’t forget Flatbush will have 15-16 buses free when artics are implemented on the B46+. MTA has been making the fleet uniform since 2011. Thats why we have things assigned the way that we do. There is no point in seeing 3g’s To MV. If that was the case they would be getting new ones now. When the original LFS assignments came down MV was included. I mentioned that this was not really necessary seeing as hybrids will start arriving next year. However, seeing as SI is going all LFS, it’s inevitiable the 3G’s leave at some point anyway. Where they go really doesn’t matter. They can essentially go to any depot in the city except Gleason. Where have you been my man? These updates have been on the first page for at least a year, and discussed regularly. *Yukon is getting brand new LFS for the S79. *Hale is getting 51 brand new XD60’s for the M15+ . *Flatbush is getting 47 brand new XD60’s for the B44+, and 10 for the B46+. * EN will get artics as soon the depot is Artic ready, and MTA Bus get theirs, and returns the loaners they have now. *We don’t need to unwrap any LFSA’s because 36 brand new ones are on the way to Quill, and MTA Bus loaners still have to come back. Both of which will retire the D60’s. *Yukon will not get artics anytime soon. They are not ready for them, have not trained on them, and logistically it would be a waste of time and money right now. The S79 is not a true SBS, so dwell times would increase, and efficiency would decrease at this stage. The first ever major testing of artics will begin planning on the Island next year. An XE60 will head out there for duty cycle testing. *SI will not be getting hybrids. Only diesels for now and the next major order will be electric. Some of the 45 AEB’s will likely end up out in SI anyway. However, they could essentially use XDE40’s if they are Allison equipped. That however won’t happen anyway. All diesels until new electric buses arrive for now. *The 7000’s will likely head out of the island one day. That day may be sooner rather than later as the NG’s start to leave the island, and will no longer share common parts (other than some engine parts) with the LFS’s which dominate the island. They will get new hybrids in 2020/2021. The will address the stop-and-go issue, but they still won’t be getting any of them. Hybrid days on the island were short lived, and now are numbered seeing as the LFS is on the horizon pending delivery any day now actually. How exactly is diesel fuel dead to them when every bus they have now is fueled by diesel?? It has been mentioned several times that the displaced NG’s from SI will head to depots like MV.

Plug-type doors would only work here if the platforms were modified. It’s not worth the cost. R211 prelim assignments are and to start off. Everything else is pending. and are said to be in the planning as well. Logistics and final assignments could change based on the amount of options that are T models. and however are the originally planned lines, and this hasn’t changed yet. Only major changes are the accelerated delivery schedule that puts the first 10-car train here next summer, and now puts SIR last for delivery.

To a further extent, if you all want an interesting, and very entertaining view into how things play out, go back to the first page of a thread and start reading. Thanks to the R179 troubles, which prompted the acelleration of the R211 program, @Around the Horn ‘s post ended up being a lot closer than I expected, or even the MTA planned. 😎 #FridayFlashback Design 2017, Award 2018, Delivery 2020/2021

For those that love all the technical stuff such as myself, here is the entire unabridged version of the R34211 Contract. 😎 Complete R34211 (R211) Contract Details

Correct. Correct. I don’t think you read his post thoroughly.

I should have also worded that different. They will be upgraded to R188 Standard, however the designation will be whatever the last 3 numbers of the contract which I have not looked at yet. Times have also changes and MTA has changes plans twice. We are now at upgrading the whole fleet. Not just the 142A,s. In addition, what you are saying was partly addressed by MTA years ago, it just wasn’t public knowledge. They actually did plan it all from the beginning. They were always looking into upgrading all the 142A’s when the concept for the 188 came into the fold. I just never said anything about it until it was confirmed just under a year ago. After getting certain reactions at times, some things just shouldn’t be announced until details are available. The addition of 142’s as well is new information I was actually able to confirm in December, but had not yet decided how I would post on it. So I actually thank you for speeding things up because this will be one of the major developments of 2019 and 2020. MTA is known for keeping trains for at least 4 decades. They have decided that with the current data, it makes more sense to GOH the entire fleet and bring it up to CBTC standard. This extends the life of the train, and ensures that when all the R62/62A’s are retired the entire system will be online or ready to go online.

Fun, and little known fact of the day..... The thing is, trains are actually not designated by the MTA in a way that most people think. They actually get their names based solely on the last 3 digits of the contract. This is how I always knew what the train number was going to be when people used to make guesses at it all the time. People would always ask me how did I guess it right. Well, my secret is I never had to guess at all. It’s always been in plain sight years before the train comes out lol. Many rail buffs know this now, but the vast majority of people do not. Examples 142/142a contract # R34142 and R34142A R211 is R34211 R262 is R34262

Yep. It’s just basically redesignated.

Thank you! A lot of people don’t understand that we do this all for you guys. When I was young there was no place to go for even 10% of the information we provide. In the process, it has proven without the shadow of a doubt to improve transit over all. We still have a long way to go, but together we can get it done.