Rapid Transit TO Posted February 19, 2010 Share #1 Posted February 19, 2010 If you said "London", you'd be..........WRONG!?!?! Construction began in 1860 and was complete in 1863 for London's, BUT in 1844, Right here in Brooklyn, a underground railway was built under Atlantic Avenue.. I didn't believe it myself, but apparently its true. The Atlantic Avenue Tunnel, as it is now called, was built in seven months in 1844 by the Long Island Rail Road. I wish we had these guys for the 2nd Avenue Subway! The last train ran through it in 1859 & in 1861, the tunnel was sealed up. The tunnel is 17 feet high and 21 feet wide and the navigable portion is from 1700 to 2000 feet overall. Source for above info http://the-tech.mit.edu/~Subway/Tunnel/index.html Check out some of these links for more info....This one has a link for uncomming tunnel tours.. FEB 28th is the next one posted.. Brooklyn Historical Railway Association CITIES OF THE UNDERWORLD 2: NEW YORK SECRET SOCIETIES: PART3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Bus Posted February 19, 2010 Share #2 Posted February 19, 2010 Wow, it's great to know & yes they would be better for the second Ave subway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted February 19, 2010 Share #3 Posted February 19, 2010 Wow, it's great to know & yes they would be better for the second Ave subway ANYONE would be better for the Second Avenue Subway then the current people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EE Broadway Local Posted February 20, 2010 Share #4 Posted February 20, 2010 Fascinating New York City history! So, in 1844, the Long Island Railroad built this tunnel which was called a subway tunnel with a subway station under Atlantic Avenue in the then City Of Brooklyn. This would make Mr. Alfred Eli Beach's short subway tunnel under Broadway in 1869 in the then City Of New York the second oldest subway tunnel in New York City and the U.S.A. and third oldest subway tunnel in the world. Imagine if the L.I.R.R. had been able to extend the tunnel under the East River to the City Of New York from the City Of Brooklyn and run subway trains? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan Posted February 20, 2010 Share #5 Posted February 20, 2010 Where is the OLDEST subway tunnel in the world located? How do you define subway(or railroad)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bstar1 Posted February 20, 2010 Share #6 Posted February 20, 2010 Where is the OLDEST subway tunnel in the world located? How do you define subway(or railroad)? Subway is any train that operates underground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan Posted February 20, 2010 Share #7 Posted February 20, 2010 In that case,Atlantic ave tunnel is not the oldest,if you believe wikipedia. The 1796 Stoddart Tunnel in Chapel-en-le-Frith in Derbyshire is reputed to be the oldest rail tunnel in the world. Rail wagons were horse drawn. The tunnel was created for the first true steam locomotive, from Penydarren to Abercynon. The Penydarren locomotive was built by Richard Trevithick. The locomotive made the historic journey from Penydarren to Abercynon in 1804. Part of this tunnel can still be seen at Pentrebach, Merthyr Tydfil, Wales. This is arguably the oldest railway tunnel in the world, for self-propelled steam engines on rails. Crown Street Station, Liverpool, 1829. Built by George Stephenson, a single track tunnel 291 yards long was bored from Edge Hill to Crown Street to serve the world's first passenger railway station. The station was abandoned in 1836 being too far from Liverpool city centre, with the area converted for freight use. Closed down in 1972, the tunnel is disused. However it is the oldest rail tunnel running under streets in the world. [1] The 1.26 mile (2.03 km) 1829 Wapping Tunnel in Liverpool, England, was the first rail tunnel bored under a metropolis. Currently disused since 1972. Having two tracks, the tunnel runs from Edge Hill in the east of the city to the south end Liverpool docks being used only for freight. The tunnel is still in excellent condition and is being considered for reuse by Merseyrail rapid transit rail system, with maybe an underground station cut into the tunnel. The river portal is opposite the new Liverpool Arena being ideal for a serving station. If reused it will be the oldest used underground rail tunnel in the world and oldest part of any underground metro system. 1836, Lime St Station tunnel, Liverpool. A two track rail tunnel, 1.13 miles (1,811 m) long was bored under a metropolis from Edge Hill in the east of the city to Lime Street. In the 1880s the tunnel was converted to a deep cutting four tracks wide. The only occurrence of a tunnel being removed. A very short section of the original tunnel still exists at Edge Hill station making this the oldest rail tunnel in the world still in use, and the oldest in use under a street, albeit only one street and one building. Box Tunnel in England, which opened in 1841, was the longest railway tunnel in the world at the time of construction. It was dug and has a length of 2.9 km (1.8 mi). The 0.75 mile long 1842 Shildon tunnel near Darlington, England, is the oldest sizable tunnel in the world still in use under a settlement. The Thames Tunnel, built by Marc Isambard Brunel and his son Isambard Kingdom Brunel and opened in 1843, was the first underwater tunnel and the first to use a tunnelling shield. Originally used as a foot-tunnel, it was a part of the East London Line of the London Underground until 2007, being the oldest section of the system. From 2010 the tunnel becomes a part of the London Overground system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted February 20, 2010 Share #8 Posted February 20, 2010 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted February 20, 2010 Share #9 Posted February 20, 2010 Was there ever a station where passengers got on and off trains? If not, it's just a tunnel and not a subway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rutgers Tube Posted February 20, 2010 Share #10 Posted February 20, 2010 Where is the OLDEST subway tunnel in the world located? How do you define subway(or railroad)? Subway is any train that operates underground. That's not really a workable definition. Lots of trains operate underground, doesn't make them subways. considering the defintion is a regional one. Our friends in the UK think of a subway as a pedestrian underpass. As quoted by The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2009 by Houghton Mifflin Company at: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/subway: noun 1. Also called, especially British, tube, underground. an underground electric railroad, usually in a large city. 2. Chiefly British. a short tunnel or underground passageway for pedestrians, automobiles, etc.; underpass. –verb (used without object) 3. to be transported by a subway: We subwayed uptown. Origin: 1820–30; sub- + way1 n. An underground urban railroad, usually operated by electricity. A passage for such a railroad. An underground tunnel or passage, as for a water main or for pedestrians. subway 1825, "underground passage" (for water pipes or pedestrians), from sub- + way. The sense of "underground railway in a city" is first recorded 1893, in ref. to Boston. I'm not saying that it's right or wrong; I just read recently read the official definition myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted February 20, 2010 Share #11 Posted February 20, 2010 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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