SubwayGuy Posted August 18, 2011 Share #26 Posted August 18, 2011 City Hall = Good Idea and Bad Idea. 1, It is useless space the only activity it sees is a tour every now and then. 2, If the can't use this station than that means it will have to loop Bowling Green Which Will Just Waste Time And Delay and trains due to having switch at Bklyn Bridge. And if that was to happen the would have to use the lay up tracks north of Fulton St and connect. It's a Good Idea but could have Bad Side effects. So! It would'nt be really bad. for the 100000000000000000000th time that's not going to happen. City Hall is not going to be used for anything other than occasional TM tours now and for the foreseeable future. It's not practical. trains cannot turn at Bowling Green. You cannot have 3 services utilizing the same track during the rush from north of Brooklyn Bridge to the Green, with switching involved, and expect to not have delays. Not to mention if you lose the loop, you have nowhere practical to short turn trains when you have GO's on the weekend going on for the Fulton St project. As for the layup sidings north of Fulton St they cannot be connected to the mainline at Fulton St due to the superelevation of the mainline curve at that location. They once were connected before the mainline curve was redone many, many years ago, but it's not practical anymore and it's not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R36 Preservation Posted August 18, 2011 Share #27 Posted August 18, 2011 When it comes to preservation for the R62s, 1438 would stand out for its "oddball" status. And I somehow feel the SI R44s would be more "collectible" than mainline models, being the last ever cars built by St. Louis Car (the SI units were delivered in January-April 1973 after the mainline fleet). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R68 Subway Car Posted August 18, 2011 Author Share #28 Posted August 18, 2011 The City Hall Loop is practically impossible to use as a Museum. The platform is too short and it is used by the to switch back onto the northbound track en route to Upper Manhattan and the Bronx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted August 18, 2011 Share #29 Posted August 18, 2011 How about extending the platform at the Court Street Station. That seems more possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dj Hammers Posted August 18, 2011 Share #30 Posted August 18, 2011 How about setting up the D type with only one of the 3 sections sitting in the station? People can board the D type in the first section and walk back to the other 2 sections in the tunnel by walking through the train. It would free up a fair amount of space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak7 Posted August 19, 2011 Share #31 Posted August 19, 2011 How about extending the museum to Hoyt-Schemerhorn? It would make moving trains out more difficult, but there's a platform right there. City Hall would be great as a museum. Without using the track of course. They can always have exhibitions on the platform that are visible in conjunction with daily (or even more frequent) public tours of the station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted August 19, 2011 Share #32 Posted August 19, 2011 How about extending the platform at the Court Street Station. That seems more possible. How about no for the 39823047981273048723444th f*cking time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted August 19, 2011 Share #33 Posted August 19, 2011 How about extending the museum to Hoyt-Schemerhorn? It would make moving trains out more difficult, but there's a platform right there. I've said this before, this is the only possible place for expansion, but then you need some sort of "shuttle service" between Court St and Hoyt Schermerhorn so visitors could see both locations. You also need admission at Hoyt Schermerhorn, and security...so this increases costs significantly. It also impairs operability of the museum fleet...making it incredibly difficult to get cars out of Court St. and coordinate moves. And, there is no money to do such a thing. But it's the only one of the many "fantasy" ideas that even comes remotely close to making any sense. City Hall would be great as a museum. Without using the track of course. They can always have exhibitions on the platform that are visible in conjunction with daily (or even more frequent) public tours of the station. Won't happen. Security concerns, and again you need personnel for this. The popularity of City Hall station is limited enough that it's not enough to be a standalone museum. Exhibitions can't be placed in City Hall without disturbing the aesthetic of the station, which is what people go down there to see in the first place. Access would have to be limited and from the street, the museum could conceivably have to fall under ADA and provide wheelchair access, lighting would need to be brightened, and the platform would have to be sectioned off for safety to protect visitors from moving trains. That plus exhibits would destroy the aesthetics. And that all comes with making it an "official" museum or annex, concerns which don't exist when it's just an abandoned locale for a tour. Court St. is a good place for a museum because the IND built most of its stations to fit a standard, so it's not the station you go to experience when you go to Court St. City Hall = different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quill Depot Posted August 19, 2011 Share #34 Posted August 19, 2011 City Hall could show pictures and history starting from the el days to saying goodbye to the and . There could be 5 employees; (3 police, 1 tour guide, 1 "working at the entrance. There would be a railing at the edge of platform stopping 12-9's. Pictures are permitted. Videos are not. Trains will not stop, just keep going through. To get in swipe your MetroCard into the machine that gives you 2 tokens. ($2.25 deducted from the swipe. There is a machine to get MetroCards at too.) Then put the tokens in one of the old turnstiles and push yourself through! Thats it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of RedBirds Posted August 20, 2011 Share #35 Posted August 20, 2011 The City Hall Loop is practically impossible to use as a Museum. The platform is too short and it is used by the to switch back onto the northbound track en route to Upper Manhattan and the Bronx. I know. Would you keep 5 cars on a track where if you want to get on the middle door you have to hop and not miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted August 20, 2011 Share #36 Posted August 20, 2011 City Hall could show pictures and history starting from the el days to saying goodbye to the and . There could be 5 employees; (3 police, 1 tour guide, 1 "working at the entrance. There would be a railing at the edge of platform stopping 12-9's. Pictures are permitted. Videos are not. Trains will not stop, just keep going through. To get in swipe your MetroCard into the machine that gives you 2 tokens. ($2.25 deducted from the swipe. There is a machine to get MetroCards at too.) Then put the tokens in one of the old turnstiles and push yourself through! Thats it! That would lose so much money in under 1 month it would have to be closed. Do you know why the Transit Museum is popular relative to other "photo galleries" in the first place? The chance to see, touch, experience, and understand as opposed to simply look at something and get talked at about it. Not to mention you've got no supervision. Who handles cash from admissions? MTA? Who directs that money to the museum? Who supervises the employees? Who cleans up after the public? Like I said won't work as a museum space...only as an offsite tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted August 20, 2011 Share #37 Posted August 20, 2011 I know. Would you keep 5 cars on a track where if you want to get on the middle door you have to hop and not miss. Gap fillers are always placed to cover spaces between the platform and exhibit trains at the TM, so it's not without precedent. But City Hall as a museum will NEVER happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted August 20, 2011 Share #38 Posted August 20, 2011 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted August 21, 2011 Share #39 Posted August 21, 2011 So basically extending the museum to Hoyt-Schemerhorn is the most likely option then. It is the most likeliest option in the same way that Proxima Centauri is the nearest star besides the sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted August 25, 2011 Share #40 Posted August 25, 2011 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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