Queens Division Bus Proposals/Ideas

[B35 via Church]

Well after the Q101 is rerouted to replace the B24 Greenpoint section, I would have the Q60s terminate at the current Q101 terminus to nullify that problem. And yes the Q101 does have that service for a reason but it could be useful somewhere else though.....

 

1) A super route has to be very long and be heavily used.

 

2) Well I read that hardly anyone uses the Q60 from there.....

 

3) You still have the Q6 and Q111/113

 

1) lol.... not necessarily man....

Keep trying to tell me what my meaning of the term is though....

 

3) ....Which has nothing to do with how much closer the Q60 is to 40 projects than the Q40 is.

 

 

(*) ....and as far as [merging Greenpoint B24's with truncated Q101's] & [swapping the Q60 & Q101 terminals in manhattan], you really think it's that simple, don't you.... You're not gonna have M15's & Q60's picking up pax on the same side of the street (2nd av) - You can get away w/ that w/ the Q101 because, for one, service on that route isn't near as frequent.... secondly, Q101's don't bunch like Q60's tend to.....

 

You'd be exacerbating things by swapping those routes routings on the manhattan end......

Edited August 17, 2013 by B35 via Church

[Q43LTD]

This has been discussed before but however it makes sense to bring it up again. Here's a proposal I made to extend the Q55 to Jamaica. It would be extended to Sutphin Boulevard/Archer Avenue where the Q30/31 and Q43 terminate. I would extend it down Hillside Avenue as the section between Myrtle Avenue and Queens Boulevard has no bus service. The reasoning is that a lot of people from Ridgewood use the Q55 to the Q56 or train to get to Jamaica. Extending it to Jamaica would make eliminate the need to transfer and make there trips more convenient.

 

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This has been discussed to death too. There's no need for bus service on Hillside between Queens and Lefferts. Plus the serves Midtown now. There's really not that much room on 146 for layover. Man you gotta learn how to multi-quote, unless you're using the mobile site. Anyway, QJT suggested the Q55 go to 179 St . That's even worse.

[Q90]

1) lol.... not necessarily man....

Keep trying to tell me what my meaning of the term is though....

 

 

3) ....Which has nothing to do with how much closer the Q60 is to 40 projects than the Q40 is.

 

Well they serve 

 

(*) ....and as far as [merging Greenpoint B24's with truncated Q101's] & [swapping the Q60 & Q101 terminals in manhattan], you really think it's that simple, don't you.... You're not gonna have M15's & Q60's picking up pax on the same side of the street (2nd av) - You can get away w/ that w/ the Q101 because, for one, service on that route isn't near as frequent.... secondly, Q101's don't bunch like Q60's tend to.....

 

You'd be exacerbating things by swapping those routes routings on the manhattan end......

 

1) Yeah the definition of that isn't important to the discussion anyways  . Let's not waste time on that

 

2) They serve that area too and I didn't say only the Q40

 

3) Well how about have the Q60 end at Lexington Avenue between 59 and 60 Streets. People could then directly transfer to the       and there's no bus stop in that section. 

[Q90]

This has been discussed to death too. There's no need for bus service on Hillside between Queens and Lefferts. Plus the serves Midtown now. There's really not that much room on 146 for layover. Man you gotta learn how to multi-quote, unless you're using the mobile site. Anyway, QJT suggested the Q55 go to 179 St . That's even worse.

 

What does the  going to Midtown have to with sending the Q55 to Jamaica? Doesn't make sense. Also QJT's proposal of sending the Q55 to 179 Street is overkill. Under my proposal it already connects to it on Sutphin Boulevard/Hillside Avenue. Also I routed it on Hillside Avenue so that transfer to the  could be made. And the Q55 could terminate on the northbound section of Sutphin Boulevard between 91 Avenue and Archer Avenue since there's no bus stop there.

Edited August 17, 2013 by Q90

[Fresh Pond]

This has been discussed before but however it makes sense to bring it up again. Here's a proposal I made to extend the Q55 to Jamaica. It would be extended to Sutphin Boulevard/Archer Avenue where the Q30/31 and Q43 terminate. I would extend it down Hillside Avenue as the section between Myrtle Avenue and Queens Boulevard has no bus service. The reasoning is that a lot of people from Ridgewood use the Q55 to the Q56 or train to get to Jamaica. Extending it to Jamaica would make eliminate the need to transfer and make there trips more convenient.

 

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=214089513480814599261.0004e41a0669bad0febca

It pretty much duplicates the Q56 which is one block away...its good where it is now

[Q43LTD]

What does the going to Midtown have to with sending the Q55 to Jamaica? Doesn't make sense. Also QJT's proposal of sending the Q55 to 179 Street is overkill. Under my proposal it already connects to it on Sutphin Boulevard/Hillside Avenue. Also I routed it on Hillside Avenue so that transfer to the could be made. And the Q55 could terminate on the northbound section of Sutphin Boulevard between 91 Avenue and Archer Avenue since there's no bus stop there.

Yes there is. The Q8, 9, 40 and 41 stop there.

[Q90]

Yes there is. The Q8, 9, 40 and 41 stop there.

 

The stop is below Archer Avenue, not between Archer and 91st. 

[Q43LTD]

The stop is below Archer Avenue, not between Archer and 91st.

No. The Q6 and 60 stop by Duane Reade. The 8, 9, 40 and 41 were moved up.

[Q90]

It pretty much duplicates the Q56 which is one block away...its good where it is now

 

Well it doesn't duplicate the Q56. The reason I'm extending it is because there is a large amount of demand between Ridgewood and Jamaica. Those passengers have to xfer to a Q56 or the  train since it ends at Myrtle/Jamaica Avenues. Also I'm only sending it to Sutphin Boulevard. If I wanted to send it to 170 Street where the Q54 and Q56 end at I would understand your point and the 165 Street bus terminal is crowded and adding a frequent bus like the Q55 there is not a good idea plus it's overkill.

[Q90]

No. The Q6 and 60 stop by Duane Reade. The 8, 9, 40 and 41 were moved up.

 

 

Then why not move them back to Duane Reade if it blocks the area where I'm proposing my Q55 terminal? 

[Q43LTD]

Then why not move them back to Duane Reade if it blocks the area where I'm proposing my Q55 terminal?

Because the Q6 and 60 are slated to get artics.

[Q90]

Because the Q6 and 60 are slated to get artics.

I knew it! Knew those routes would get artics sooner or later. But do they really have to move the bus stop for the other routes instead of lengthening the Duane Reade one to 94 Avenue?

[bobtehpanda]

The reason I'm extending it is because there is a large amount of demand between Ridgewood and Jamaica.

 

Do you have any proof of this? In any case, that trip can be made rather easily using the from Jamaica and transferring to the at Broadway Junction.

 

Also, not entirely sure how wise it is to send it to Jamaica with the congestion situation there, especially via Hillside and Sutphin...

 

(Hillside and Sutphin are particularly congested roads in that area, and traffic often backs up around that intersection even during the midday. Adding more buses to it is only going to make the situation worse.)

[Q90]

Do you have any proof of this? In any case, that trip can be made rather easily using the from Jamaica and transferring to the at Broadway Junction.

 

Also, not entirely sure how wise it is to send it to Jamaica with the congestion situation there, especially via Hillside and Sutphin...

 

(Hillside and Sutphin are particularly congested roads in that area, and traffic often backs up around that intersection even during the midday. Adding more buses to it is only going to make the situation worse.)

People however don't like transferring and Hillside only tends to get bad east of Sutphin Boulevard. Even then it's only a small section of Sutphin it uses so it isn't that much of a problem and the Q55 doesn't usually get caught in traffic jams either (unless sometimes on a small section near the Cooper Avenue intersection). Now about people using it to Jamaica those buses are always packed with people going east of Woodhaven Boulevard and most of them use it to Jamaica however they have to transfer to the Q56 or train. Extending the Q55 eliminates that need to transfer.

[bobtehpanda]

People however don't like transferring

 

People also don't like paying taxes. Your point is?

 

If the point of extending a route is to eliminate a transfer that doesn't cost anything or take away the free transfer provided by your Metrocard, that's not a good enough reason to do so.

[Q90]

People also don't like paying taxes. Your point is?

 

If the point of extending a route is to eliminate a transfer that doesn't cost anything or take away the free transfer provided by your Metrocard, that's not a good enough reason to do so.

Not even that. It's because the demand is there but the Q55 doesn't go to Jamaica. Sending it to Jamaica would make it more convenient for current passengers and gain new riders as well. And btw, you even said it yourself that people don't like to transfer.

[NewFlyer 230]

I knew it! Knew those routes would get artics sooner or later. But do they really have to move the bus stop for the other routes instead of lengthening the Duane Reade one to 94 Avenue?

What will happen if the Q6, Q8, Q9, Q40, Q41 and Q60 happen to come at the same time and this happens sometimes during rush hour. The buses will block the street and cause traffic.

[bobtehpanda]

Sending it to Jamaica would make it more convenient for current passengers and gain new riders as well. And btw, you even said it yourself that people don't like to transfer.

 

It is true that I said that. However, I have never stated that as a reason to extend an existing or create a new bus route.

 

The transfer at Broadway Junction is very simple, and also very cost-efficient. If there already exists a quick, cost-efficient way to link people between Ridgewood and Jamaica, then why are we creating a route that is going to do the exact same thing in a more expensive way? It's not like the reverse-peak and trains are congested.

[Q90]

It is true that I said that. However, I have never stated that as a reason to extend an existing or create a new bus route.

 

The transfer at Broadway Junction is very simple, and also very cost-efficient. If there already exists a quick, cost-efficient way to link people between Ridgewood and Jamaica, then why are we creating a route that is going to do the exact same thing in a more expensive way? It's not like the reverse-peak and trains are congested.

The train is always packed in both directions even off peak so it isn't a very reliable option. Also it isn't just Ridgewood, people on Woodhaven Boulevard and Myrtle Avenue especially use the Q55 to get to Jamaica. Also how is it more expensive? Buses and subways charge the same

[bobtehpanda]

The train is always packed in both directions even off peak so it isn't a very reliable option. Also it isn't just Ridgewood, people on Woodhaven Boulevard and Myrtle Avenue especially use the Q55 to get to Jamaica. Also how is it more expensive? Buses and subways charge the same

 

If you can still shove more people onto it, it's still a viable option.

 

People on Woodhaven Blvd and Myrtle Av have a variety of other options to get to central Jamaica, including other buses in the area such as the Q54, or taking a north-south bus to the or Queens Boulevard Line.

 

Finally, buses and subways also cost money to operate. Since the amount of people making the trip isn't extremely large, people using the trains for that trip don't cost very much since it doesn't create a large need to expand service. On the other hand, extending bus mileage is expensive (due to the need for additional buses to maintain headways and added fuel costs), especially when you're extending into an area that's as slow-moving as Jamaica. If it induces more bus ridership, then it requires more service, which requires more money (and it's a pretty safe bet to assume that the Q55 doesn't cover operational costs.) In an extremely tight financial environment, the MTA has no scope to just extend services willy-nilly to make things easier for a select group of people, especially if their trip is already doable.

[Q90]

If you can still shove more people onto it, it's still a viable option.

 

People on Woodhaven Blvd and Myrtle Av have a variety of other options to get to central Jamaica, including other buses in the area such as the Q54, or taking a north-south bus to the or Queens Boulevard Line.

 

Finally, buses and subways also cost money to operate. Since the amount of people making the trip isn't extremely large, people using the trains for that trip don't cost very much since it doesn't create a large need to expand service. On the other hand, extending bus mileage is expensive (due to the need for additional buses to maintain headways and added fuel costs), especially when you're extending into an area that's as slow-moving as Jamaica. If it induces more bus ridership, then it requires more service, which requires more money (and it's a pretty safe bet to assume that the Q55 doesn't cover operational costs.) In an extremely tight financial environment, the MTA has no scope to just extend services willy-nilly to make things easier for a select group of people, especially if their trip is already doable.

1)Really the is already a hell hole and putting even more people on it will only make the problem even worse. The even has a shortage of trains in case you don't know from being packed as it is.

 

2)That is no better alternative to the current xfer between the Q55 and Q56/(J) train

 

3)Although all of that is true sometimes enhancements are needed anyways as people want to get to their destination as quick as possible. That's why there are bus lanes, limited service, SBS, etc. All of that costs lots of money but they help contribute to the bus system however.

[bobtehpanda]

Although all of that is true sometimes enhancements are needed anyways as people want to get to their destination as quick as possible. That's why there are bus lanes, limited service, SBS, etc. All of that costs lots of money but they help contribute to the bus system however.

 

Do you know what you're talking about? Bus lanes, limited service, and SBS are cheap, and actually save on operational costs (less runtime = less buses needed and better fuel efficiency due to less stop-and-go). Extending a bus route does not save money, no matter how you spin it.

 

If people really want Jamaica access that badly, they can walk a couple blocks to the Q54, or transfer to another bus. Extending is not worth the money.

[Fresh Pond]

Well it doesn't duplicate the Q56. The reason I'm extending it is because there is a large amount of demand between Ridgewood and Jamaica. Those passengers have to xfer to a Q56 or the train since it ends at Myrtle/Jamaica Avenues. Also I'm only sending it to Sutphin Boulevard. If I wanted to send it to 170 Street where the Q54 and Q56 end at I would understand your point and the 165 Street bus terminal is crowded and adding a frequent bus like the Q55 there is not a good idea plus it's overkill.

You missed my point...

 

There no need for another line to do the exact same thing a bus AND a train is already doing...its not like you're walking forever for a transfer, its literally across the street for the Q56 and about 2 blocks for the

[Q90]

You missed my point...

There no need for another line to do the exact same thing a bus AND a train is already doing...its not like you're walking forever for a transfer, its literally across the street for the Q56 and about 2 blocks for the

I completely understand what you are saying. It's you who is missing the point. And what does walking have to do with it? It's a two fare zone transferring to the Q56 or train. Since demand is high between Ridgewood and Woodhaven Boulevard/Myrtle Avenue to Jamaica it makes sense to send the Q55 there so it would make the trips of current riders easier and would also attract new riders as well.

[bobtehpanda]

It's a two fare zone transferring to the Q56 or train.

 

No. No, it is not. It requires a transfer, which is provided for free using a Metrocard.

 

A two-fare zone is where you would need TWO transfers to make the trip. A bus, a bus, and a bus, or a bus, bus and train, or something else.

 

Where do you get your information from?