Future ENY OP

Random thought of the weekend: Flatbush 53xx buses traveling down New York Avenue for the shuttle to Franklin and the Staten Island Division working the shuttle.

Your missing ENY, FB, UP, GA and MJQ

That's a copy on that. Can't never underestimate the and their crazy scenarios..

Last I checked. FB’s LFSA’s are heading to West Farms unless something has changed. I’m just speaking from generalization. When the Bronx is short on buses DOB gets buses from Brooklyn to fill the voids.

Everytime that the Bronx is short. They take from Brooklyn. Hopefully when Gun Hill and Kingsbridge get their LFSA’s some of those buses can make that journey back to Brooklyn. But yet again, Brooklyn will always be short.

Look who’s taking the Brooklyn Division buses. (The Bronx). and they cry about not having buses.

Hahahaha. I’ll tell you one thing. Grand Avenue does excellent with the B38 and that’s it. Their practice until they fully artic the line.

That’s a nice line up for them. However, bring SC back to the Brooklyn Division for that to happen. Also, the 84 should of been for Spring Creek from the jump. However, they have space issues for any other routes to come in.

No problem. ENY & FP have been swapping buses as of late. Don’t be surprised if more moves were to happen.

WBP technically doesn’t have room. What route did you have in mind? and what changes would you take based on the current configuration at WBP?

There was talk about a re-construction for Ulmer Park. I mean if that happens it helps out the Division a lot. However, again the TA is not the best with real estate acquisitions. They had the perfect opportunity to get the facility that UPS is occupying on Springfield Boulevard and they blew that (many moons ago). That would of ease a lot in the Queens Division. PS: Yes 2 depots East New York and Spring Creek. However, the decided Spring Creek didn’t belong in the Brooklyn Division therefore its not counted as depot for Brooklyn meanwhile operating Brooklyn routes.

It took so long for the Brooklyn Division to even get on board with artics. GA & JG will ultimately become artic depots before ENY & FB. As the Division as a whole is introduced to more artics definitely expect some routes to receive the conversion. The Bronx Division is a definitely that example with the most recent West Farms with Bx6 and Bx36 artic conversions. Almost all of Gun Hill routes are artic routes and some for Kingsbridge.

Here’s my justification on this. To me I’ve always believed that the 36 should be at FB simply b/c of two things. 1) The deadhead from depot to Nostrand is about 10-15 mins via Avenue U and 2) Direct interline with the 44. Also, I’d possibly extend to Kings Plaza. However, the way the paddle is set up it’s set for Coney Island and thus better for Ulmer Park. The 9 to FB should of been years ago. However, I also think the 4 should be FB also b/c of the easy deadhead to Knapp Street. Again, the way the paddles are set up it’s set up for the Bay Ridge portion of the route. Interesting thought: Many moons ago there was talk about FB moving to Floyd Bennett Field since they have adequate space and possibly a CFM. Brooklyn needs another depot. The Division is a complete zoo. Even re-constructing Ulmer Park (I believe on the next Capital Plan) the Division will get worse before it gets better.

6594 has been at FP for a while.

You have an excellent point there. I will tell you right now. The 35 has gotten a significant increase since those artics came on the line. Cabbies are non-existence throughout the day. However, at night some are fighting with the buses for position. They way MaBSOTA operates and the chopping down on the paddles is a all time high especially with depots like MJQ, TU/100th, and MCH (TA) with their artic lines in Manhattan. Like you. I could see that happening at Flatbush, East New York and especially Grand Avenue. (Something they do well at Grand is run buses very late)

Yes. 7 interlines with the 26 at Halsey. Which makes sense for Fresh Pond.

As of yesterday the 43 has stayed home at Gleason. However, yes 43 has been rumored to move to Grand. It did a brief stint there until suffering big reliability issues. I don’t know if the 43 would fit for FB. Why I’m saying this is b/c in a perfect world you have the 41 which would be the perfect interline at Empire. However, the paddles are set for the Greenpoint portion of the route in a sense it should go to GA in the near future.

The Q54 and B60 is an interesting interline to me. In a way I kinda wish Fresh Pond had the 60 years ago to really test out that interline. To your knowledge when you was in ENY what interlines did the 60 have? The Division is a zoo in its self. For FB’s chance back at the 47. Few things have to happen. 41, 44, and 46 all have to be artic routes. (No exceptions to that) Local and SBS. FLEET is another story. For ENY chance back at the 60. The 15 and 82 definitely need to be artic lines. I’d throw in the 25 for a part time basis to have the 60 back home in ENY.

There needs to be a serious re-alignment with the Brooklyn Division. If I were a suitor doing this. I’d do the following: Flatbush: B2, B4, B7, B41, B44, B46, B47, B49. East New York: B12, B14, B15, B17, B25, B42, B45, B60, B82, B83, B84, Q56 Fresh Pond: B13, B20, B26, B48, B52, B54, B57, Q24, Q54, Q55 Grand Avenue: B32, B38 B39, B62, Q58, Q59 Ulmer: B1, B3, B6, B8, B16, B36, B64, Gleason: B9, B35, B43, B61, B63, B65, B67, B68, B69, B70 However, in my honest of truths. Brooklyn needs another depot and CMF facility along with Grand Avenue and East New York (current) and I’d put Spring Creek back in the Brooklyn Division. They have no business in the Queens Division with no Queens routes at all.

Personally we all would of liked the B60 to return home to East New York and the 47 back to Flatbush. However, the way things are set right now in this crazy Brooklyn Division that will never happen AND plus what @EastFlatbushLarry Indicated makes sense. Only way the 60 goes back to ENY. ENY would have to give Fresh Pond Q24 to regain back the 60. What kinda makes sense with the 60 going to Fresh Pond is a direct interline with the Q54 at Williamsburg Bridge. Other that, I agree the 60 belongs home at ENY.

Is there a possibility that UP could lose a good chunk of 75xx buses to JAM?

Bus was assigned to Spring Creek and Eastchester in June 2018. Unless you have line sheet that states that the bus was never assigned to neither depot I won't take your word on this. By the way welcome to NYCTF.

That's for the to deal with..

Too early for questions right now. However, that plan introduced today has to go thru some serious hurdles before implementation.

Cuomo throws a monkey wrench 🔧 on the shuttle. Breaking news as of 12:30 PM today. Hopefully @East New York, @The Realcan enlighten us with some updates soon. However, what a way to start 2019! Happy New Year to all.