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Kawasaki will need to speed things up with the r211's or the MTA will have to delay the completion of 8th Avenue CBTC.

True If the B D don't get the r211's, then the B D will get r160's. Regardless of the outcome, the r68's cannot stay on the B D due to CBTC on 8th Avenue and 6th Avenue.

That's awesome!! Let's cross our fingers that these r211's don't get vandalized. Vandalism in the subway is getting worse. The W is suspended and the B, D, F, N, and Q trains are delayed as a result of these vandalic actions. Those who are responsible for vandalizing trains need to be arrested and if those vandals are teens, then their parents should be held accountable as well.

Most likely we are going to have to wait until the winter or spring to have high odds of getting on the r211's right off the bat.

That's going to take more than a decade to happen. Meanwhile, the city is getting more and more crowded. More people (many of them don't drive) are moving to the outer boroughs. Driving is not for everyone. Let's not forget that driving to Manhattan is going to get more expensive. The MTA can't wait until trains are ridiculously crowded (to a point that people have to be literally pushed in and out of the train, like in many Asian countries) to consider building new subway lines or extending existing lines in the outer boroughs. This is why the MTA needs to buy option 2 in addition to option 1 of r211's. That's why the MTA needs to get it right with the r262's and r268's. That is why the MTA needs to consider scrapping the current plan for phase 3 and phase 4 of SAS. Instead, it would make much more sense to rebuild the 3rd Avenue El in the Bronx and connect it with SAS at 125th Street as the T train and just build a tunnel crosstown under 125th Street to extend the Q train to 125th and St. Nicholas than to build more tunnels below 63rd and 2nd Avenue.

No worries. Thank you for sharing this. You're right. I am getting fed up in regards to disrespectful straphangers blocking subway car doors with open strollers, large shopping carts, and bikes. The r211's have flipped seats and less seats. Therefore, the r211's will have room to accommodate strollers, shopping carts and bikes.

BRT doesn't work in NYC. More subway lines (including extensions) are needed in the outer boroughs. Light rail can also work in the outer boroughs, especially in the Bronx, which has a lot of transit deserts. Ordering all option orders of r211's will not only fix the subway car shortage on the B division, but it will potentially allow some lines to be extended and more service can be added on some lines. 4th Avenue needs more weekday local service, which can be achieved by extending either the W, the J or the Z. Also, CPW needs more weekend local service, which can be achieved by running the B during the weekends. Also, QBL needs more weekend local service, which can be achieved by extending the G to Forest Hills. These enhancements can be done once all r211's are in service.

75 cars is not a lot of cars, so there's no need for another yard in SI, unless the MTA decides to fullfill Gov. Hochul's wish of building a tunnel under the Verrazano Bridge to extend the R train. IMO the MTA should seriously consider at least building a couple of light rail lines in SI. SIR and buses don't do justice to Staten Islanders and crossing the Verrazano is ridiculously expensive.

Hello!!!! Subway cars don't last forever!!! Subway cars need to be replaced every 40 years. The r32's were in service for almost 60 years and became a health hazard for train crews during COVID. That's why they were ultimately retired. All NTTs are needed and are here to stay like it or not.

I just hope that the MTA fulfills their promise to speed things up with the r211's, so that at least 4 ten car trains can be delivered per month and at least 4 ten car trains can enter service per month. 2 ten car trains per month is very slow progress. Also, don't be surprised if the MTA decides to wait until option 1 or option 2 to increase the spare factor on all B division yards. It seems that the MTA is more focused on displacing all SMEEs off the lines that are running or will run on CBTC territory.

Who cares about the order in which the r211's get delivered?? The most important thing is that they continue to get delivered and gradually be placed in service.

I don't think so. R68's cannot run on 8th Avenue once 8th Avenue CBTC is done. 8th Avenue CBTC (which includes 59th Street) will be complete by 2025. B/D trains gets rerouted via 8th Avenue whenever there's an issue. Keep in mind that work on 6th Avenue CBTC will begin right after 8th Avenue CBTC is done, which will cause the D trains to be rerouted via 8th Avenue during the weekends. At some point Kawasaki and the MTA will have to speed things up in regards to the r211's, so that the A, B, C, D trains can be fully NTTs by the time 8th Avenue CBTC is done.

If the C gets r211's, then there shouldn't be any issues with the B, D getting r211's. The B has pretty much the same ridership as the C, while the D has higher ridership than both the B/C trains. Also, the B and C trains are not full time lines. Whether it's the r211's or the r160's, the B/D trains will still need to be 100% NTTs by 2025 not just for 8th Avenue CBTC, but also for 6th Avenue CBTC. As for the E/F, they will most likely get option order 2. It is still possible that option order 2 will most likely consist of r211Ts.

The C will most likely go 100% NTTs first. Let's not forget about 8th Avenue CBTC, which will be complete by 2025. This means that all Pitkins r46's and all Concourse/CI r68's have to leave the A, B, C, D trains by 2025. The MTA is already behind schedule with the r211's. Let's not forget that the r32's became a health hazard for train crews during the pandemic. That's why they were ultimately retired. As for congestion pricing it's a wait and see in regards to which lines will get more ridership and how high ridership will be.

The base order won't solve the subway car shortage in the B division. CBTC is the reason. We would have to wait until option 2 for the subway car shortage to really be solved.

I doubt that the base order would solve the subway car shortage on the B division. Let's not forget that 8th CBTC will be done by 2025, which means that A, B, C, D trains will need to be fully NTTs before 8th Avenue CBTC is active. This also means that the C will most likely become 100% NTTs with mixed length trains before becoming 100% full length.

In terms of numbers, the base order will be enough to displace all Pitkins r46's. Option 1 would be used to displace all 8 car r179's off the C and to make the B, D mostly or fully NTTs.

I don't think the MTA is in a huge hurry to make the C 100% full length. The 8 car r179's will most likely stay on the C until option order 1. Once the 8 car r179's leave the C, the 10 car r179's can go to the C. Has anyone thought about the possibility of option order 1 being split between Jamaica and Concourse?? In terms of ridership, it makes more sense for both the A and D trains to be 100% r211As, while the B gets r160's, while the C can become 100% full length with 10 car r179's and 10 car r160's and Jamaica gets a good chunk of r211's for the E and F trains. Now, if the MTA does decide to put r211's on the C, then they should put the r211's on the B as well. Both B and C trains don't run full time and both lines have about the same ridership, which is much lower than the E and F trains.

Nah, the C doesn't need open gangway trains. The C just needs to full length. Open gang way trains need to run on the lines that have the highest ridership. It the MTA puts both pilot open gangway trains on the A, great, but if the MTA puts them on the E, even better.

I wouldn't be surprised if both open gangway trains go to Jamaica, but IMO I think both should go to the E.

Just because mixing some of the SMEEs worked in the past doesn't mean that it is going to work with the NTTs. Not all SMEEs were mixed. The r44's were never mixed with the r46s and the r62's were never mixed with the r62As. With the NTTs it's not just the mechanics, but is also the technology that would prevent the mixing.

I don't understand the logic of mixing and matching different subway sets together. What's the point of mixing for r160 A with B or r68 with r68As?? Both fleets may have similar looks, but they are mechanically different.

Well you need to work on your reading skills. Where in the post did I mention that train crews need to leave the MTA and work somewhere else??? Even if they decide to quit the MTA. Guess what?? They are going to have to deal with cameras in other jobs. Also, why do you take the r211's camera situation so personal? Don't you understand that it's for the safety of everyone??

I just hope that those crew members that refuse to get qualified are doing what they're supposed to be doing in regards to operating a train. The fact that they are refusing to operate a train due to cameras show that they are a safety hazard for passengers cause they don't care about the safety of the passengers. Keep in mind that if they leave the MTA to work somewhere else, they are going to be surrounded by cameras. Employees shouldn't be afraid of cameras unless they have something to hide.

Thanks to tech and transit for posting this video of the third r211a in service.