subwaycommuter1983

We are supposed to get at least 2 per month. The problem is that crews are refusing to get qualified to operate the r211's. They refuse to understand that the cameras onboard the trains are for their safety as well as for the safety of the passengers. Wherever you work, in any field (retail, education, healthcare, food service, etc), you are going to be surrounded by cameras. If people don't like the cameras, then they are going to have a hard time staying in the workforce.

If these rumors turn out to be true, then that means that option order 2 of r211's, r262's, r268's and other future car orders will most likely consist of standard trains.

If they're complying with their job duties, then they should have nothing to worry about in regards to cameras. I'm assuming that all cameras on the r211's will be used to keep every one safe including crews. Subway cars are target for conquering, vandalism, crime and terrorism. Wherever people work (whether it's a school, a hospital, a restaurant, etc), there are going to be surrounded by cameras everywhere in the workplace.

FYI!!! Trains don't drive by themselves. Do you think subway riders are going to be happy about train crews refusing to operate new subway cars??

I guess the MTA is gonna have to get crews from other lines (and are open minded) to operate the r211's, while those crews who refuse to get qualified should be sent to operate the NQW trains. Why is it so hard for train crews and rail fans to understand that old subway cars are not going to last forever?? As for the cameras, it's for their own safety and if they are doing what they suppose to be doing, then they should not be worried about the cameras.

There needs to be more vigilance in subway yards. It is a huge safety hazard for someone to trespass a subway yard for whatever reason. God forbid someone could very easily trespass a subway yard to put bombs on trains. The MTA and NYPD need to stop this before it's too late.

It just a rumor. The 10 car r179's will stay on the A. It doesn't make sense to remove the r179's from the A unless the MTA is planning to put them on the C once the 1st option order is delivered and the C is already 100% full length. Right now, the A really needs to stay (at least with the base order) a mixed fleet of r179's/r211's.

The base order has enough r211's to displace the r46's off the A/C. The 8 car r179's will most likely stay on the C until option order 1. Keep in mind that there is a possibility that the C may temporarily get the rest of the 8 car r179's from ENY due to work on 63rd St, which will cause a service reduction on the M.

That's because other cities in the US have smaller systems and those systems are not as old as NYC. AFAIK I didn't hear any complaints from rail fans when the r142As were removed from the #6 train in exchange for the r62's. Oh wait, the #6 doesn't go to Astoria. That answered my question.

Because rail fans in YouTube are claiming that the r211's are going to subway lines that are not getting CBTC and have low ridership. They even have the nerve to say that r160's can carry more passengers than the r211's. Less seats means that more people can fit inside the train. It's not rocket science. These rail fans think that because they live in certain neighborhoods that they're entitled to always getting new trains.

I agree 100%.

I'm assuming that these fans live in Astoria. Less seats means more standing room, which means that more people can fit on the train. Also, they are against making the C and G full length. If option 2 is exercised the N/Q/W can get some of the r160's back in addition to getting all the r68's. The B, D, E, F should get the r211's. The Q can borrow the r211's during the weekends, since it's the only Broadway line besides the R that gets rerouted via 6th Avenue. The R can keep the r160's. If option 2 includes 8 car trains, then those can go to the M.

Any thoughts on this information that was posted on YouTube?

The reason I initially brought up the red birds is because it seems that some of the train crews that operate the A line may be stuck in the 90's. If those particular train crews are having issues with the r211's, then they should be operating the NQW, which are going to be stuck with SMEEs for the next 7 years. As for the cameras, it is normal in any workplace to be surrounded by cameras. If staff don't have anything to hide and is doing his/her job, then he/she shouldn't be worried about being monitored via camera.

Cause the MTA didn't order enough 10 car r179's and the C has less ridership than the A. However, ridership is growing on both lines. Therefore, the C will need to go full length. Unfortunately, were dealing with a transit agency that is stuck in the present.

I rode the red birds that ran on the #2 train. They were terrible. No AC, the lights were always flickering and water was leaking whenever it was raining. I was so glad when they got replaced by the r142's.

Still, if employees are doing what they suppose to be doing at work, then they should not have an issue with being supervised via camera or via face to face. This applies to all jobs in general. In the case of the MTA, train crews are responsible for the safety of thousands of people who ride the subway.

Well they need to get it together cause the MTA is planning to put cameras on all trains.

I wouldn't be surprised if those crews who are refusing to get qualified are crews that have been working for the MTA for over 20 years and have their mindset stuck in the 1990's, a time when almost all SMEEs (except the redbirds) were in excellent shape. We're not in the 1990's anymore. We're in 2023. Crews that run the A train need to get it together or the MTA will have to discipline them.

Thanks for the clarification.

DC is still putting NTTs on their trains despite their issues with Kawasaki, which was much more severe, than the r179's. Also, the FML in Philly has NTTs. I'm not sure about the BSL in Philly. If I'm not mistaken Boston is in the process of putting NTTs as well.

The A can't be fully r211's until the 8 car r179's leave the C. It will be very confusing for the C to run both 8 and 10 car r179s.

Yes, once the r46's are gone from the A. The 10 car r179's will stay on the A for the foreseeable future. Once, the C becomes 100% full length, it may be a different story.

How come the MTA and the media hasn't informed riders about these changes?

It would be ideal for both the C and the G to have 10 car trains, but there are not enough 10 car trains to allow this change to happen. We would have to wait for option 2. Option 1 will only make the C full length. This would have happen much sooner if the MTA would have ordered 50 8-car r179's to retire the r42's and make the rest of the r179 order 10 car trains in addition to the extra 10 car trains the MTA received as a result of the r179 delays. Also, both the A and C need to be 100% NTTs by the end of 2024 due to CBTC. In addition, the V and W weren't eliminated due to train shortage. They were both eliminated due to budget cuts that also eliminated several bus routes. These budget cuts were a result of the 2008-2010 recession. The train shortage was caused by the premature retirement of the r44's and the MTAs dumb decision of not ordering extra r179's.