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On 1/16/2023 at 11:39 PM, R32 3838 said:

I know, Albany could have still footed the bill though, Even for just an additional 132 cars (100 5- car sets) (32 4 car sets) it would have been better than nothing and the could have been 100% full length by giving more R46s to the . R32/42s would have still been completely replaced by the R179s and would have been all 5 car units instead of the config. that we have now but i thank god that we got an additional 16 cars to make the   have 130 cars instead of 40. I wish they would have gotten another batch of free B cars for the break apart to make more 8 car units into 10 car sets.

 

 

Speaking of the R179s, I rode one on the today. It wasn't the same as the last time i rode it, 3014 rode a bit rough. They are really giving them a workout, I just hope they figure out the issues of the R211s because they are really needed for service and the really needs more cars.

Given it is the oldest R179, it's been through alot.

4 hours ago, Calvin said:

No, it’s still on the  . It’s in service when needed but for now at 240 St

Thank you for the clarification, said set has not been in service for 2 weeks now, seems like they're 240thifying it up

@Calvin Do you know if 1986-1990 has been transferred back to Westchester?

38 minutes ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

Just a personal preference. I’m sorry if you have a problem with it.

There's nothing wrong with that, I'm just saying. No problem.

6 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

I've suggested running the  local and the  express in the past. With the  running to/from 71st Ave and the  replacing the  at Jamaica Center. I seem to get crickets for a response every time I bring that up. Not sure why. I mean, it would clear up the three big choke points (36th St, QP, 11th St Cut) that kneecap QBL and Astoria service. 
 

To be fair, this topic has been really quiet since the onset of the Covid-19 pandemic, probably because the  have been hemorrhaging money and riders for much of the past two years, so few people, if any, want to talk about expansion or revising current services in the face of the current circumstances.

But it doesn't have to be the . It could be the  or . I prefer the  because from a communications standpoint, it wouldn't be so great if QBL had three services that sound alike (F (eff), M (em), N (en)). But if it's just easier to extend the  since 2nd Ave riders are already used to the , then I'm fine with that.

What is your point  with this? CPW has three services that sound alike and there is no communication issues? That's why operators and dispatch have code names for the subway lines. ancy uincy elta etc.

10 hours ago, mrsman said:

This is a brilliant point and one that unfortunately does not get repeated enough regarding the benefits of deinterlining.  Other benefits are that there are increased opportunities to get the train that you want from any specific station.  For most passengers, delays are a far bigger compaint than having to make an additional transfer.

My way of deinterlining would be roughly as follows:

8th Ave express:   unchanged.   Concourse line - CPW express - 8th Ave express - Fulton local to Euclid.  Add a platform extension to allow for trains to stop at 50th street. 

8th Ave local:  Forest Hills - QBL local - 53rd - WTC

6th Ave express:  168th - CPW local - Brighton local.   BPB - Concourse rush hour local - CPW local - Brighton express. 

6th Ave local:  Jamaica Center,   179th Hillside local,   179th Hillside express.  All three merge into the express tracks before Forest Hills and follow 63rd st and 6th Ave local.   will follow Culver local to CI.  Depending on time of day, some  or  trains can run to Church as Culver expresses, run to Church as Culver locals to supplement the , or some may terminate at 2nd/Houston to avoid congestion at Church.

train will normally run to Kings Highway so as to not interfere with any of the Culver express services that terminate at Church.  If F and V are coming from Manhattan, the V can leave the Culver main to the express tracks at the point that the G merges into the Culver main to reduce delays.   

M will unfortunately have to revert to Chamberst Street.  The numerous merges involved with its service allows for too many possibilities of delay.

Broadway express:   and both originate at 96th and will follow Broadway express and 4th Ave express to either West End  or Sea Beach  

Broadway local: Astoria - Broadway local - 4th Ave local - Bay Ridge.  Even though there is no dedicated yard, BMT has run such a service successfully for many years.  trains can easily merge into either N or Q line for non-revenue moves in Brooklyn to access Coney Island Yard.

 

 

Why is the  Brighton Local, and the  not running peak direction express, let alone to 205th?

On 12/22/2022 at 12:28 AM, Around the Horn said:

While I'm not a fan of running the on weekends, using train sets stored at Concourse on a more frequent weekend service is something that should be looked into.

During the weekends, some a number of sets are swapped between Concourse and Coney Island for and . Plus, if you want the  to use Concourse trains, then they should be ran via Concourse, if not to 145th Street lower level, so the trains running  light won't interfere with  and .

2 hours ago, Theli11 said:

I think Brighton Beach is still a better last stop. 2nd Avenue requires the  to cut between the and tracks at Broadway and 2nd Avenue. I don't think any Brighton passenger would complain about the express service being there on the weekends though since the  still has a decent crowd from Coney Island. 

It can be a thing where the wknd scheduling can be correlated with and  scheduling, and besides, the way I have it is to have the  run every 20 minutes. Said route doesn't need to be frequent, and it's purpose is to help  and  services. Running from Bedford Park Blvd to 2 Avenue.

2 hours ago, Lex said:

In that case, I'd rather not run it at all. Why create more confusion with a(n official) branch that operates on certain days but uses a different one on others?

Don't even try to bring up 63rd Street. It was boneheaded before and that hasn't changed.

It shouldn't take alot for someone to comprehend that a service is running elsewhere on the weekends. And what does 63rd have anything to do with this? 63rd is covered by a completely different  route now, things have changed. 

49 minutes ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

Agreed. Much of the weekend service is bad, but people often opt for - and crowd - the  because it runs more frequently and consistently than the . On weekends, there should really be more of an attempt to run the  more frequently. The  and  too, but as the sole weekend CPW local, the  could really use more service.   

The  should run more trains period. 

On 12/20/2022 at 1:38 AM, Around the Horn said:

I would increase service on the before bringing back the on weekends, but I guess that's just me.

Interlining may make this more difficult but I would try to get the & to run a consistent every 8 minutes on Saturdays and Sundays to pick up the slack. IINM the already does so.

The  is not needed in Brooklyn on weekends, I'd rather reroute it to 2nd Avenue

On 12/17/2022 at 9:25 PM, Trainmaster5 said:

I’m gonna be straightforward about this. The Dyre line wants the Lexington line service,period. When the line was connected at East 180th Street years ago the  line ran from Dyre Avenue to New Lots with shuttle service late nights and the  ran along WPR to 241st Street. That pattern was reversed with the  and  swapping terminals uptown. That’s what the ridership wanted back then. I was trying to make sense of the proposal suggesting that the  be replaced with the  service. Is someone suggesting that there be 2 Seventh Avenue services up there with no Lexington Avenue service . Instead they want everyone desiring East side service to transfer at the Concourse station. Wow. Carry on.

I strongly agree with your comment here. I've said it on the forums before that you cannot simply deinterline everything in the subway, and what the MTA wants for the benefit of the passengers, is for each trunk with 2 or more subway routes have access to both sides of Manhattan, whether the line is 24/7, Rush Hour, or whatever the case is.

Examples being:
QBL Express

53rd St
Eastern Pkwy

Nostrand Av/WPR 

CPW

Brighton  
4th Av Express  

This is the problem with these deinterlining folks is they don't understand that eliminating a route that is heavily used, or rerouting it is not only going to cause problems for those commuting, but it will cause confusion, and confusion definitely leads to increased dwell times so on and so forth. The main topic is always eliminating the . Eliminating the  is going to overcrowd the  and , and there will be not enough trains to even alleviate the crowds. This is why the  runs every day to Manhattan from the Bronx, even if WPR is closed off on weekends, MTA still makes an effort to have the  run from the Bronx, whether it's from Dyre Avenue, 149th Street, hell, even Burnside Avenue. The only de interlining I would like to see is the DeKalb Junction, having the , and  switch places. My takes, carry on.

On 12/17/2022 at 4:54 PM, Theli11 said:

Agreed. I’m against the whole idea but I just want to know if Dyre Ave demands Lexington Service 

I'm pretty sure it does. 

3 hours ago, Amiri the subway guy said:

 Needs to be extended to the Bronx all day during its weekday run
 

So I personally find it pretty stupid that  only goes all the way to grand concourse during rush hours and midday evening terminate at 145th street. The alone isn’t enough to handle service. People on the grand concourse line have to wait at least 10 minutes for another to arrive. Having the extended to Bedford Park Blvd during middays and evenings would double up service in the Bronx as the headways would be reduced to 5 minutes encouraging more ridership at Grand Concourse. Seriously why doesn’t the MTA consider extending the to Bedford Park Blvd to help out the   

They'll probably use the lame ass excuse of the  not being a 24/7 route. It is such a shame that West End sees more service than Concourse on the regular, especially during the rush hour, and weekends. This also comes with the  becoming Concourse full time, with Coney Island storing trains, just like how they currently do with the , and vice versa. This problem could be solved, with said above, running more service to the Bronx. It is not fair that Concourse alone takes 20 Minutes to do the whole trunk, yet it is being provided with such frequencies, which at times the Bx1/2 do better doing, than the subway itself. If MTA has to make the  a 24/7 route, or extend the service hours so be it. When Concourse Express resumes service, the  is going to be running the same frequencies, if not worse than it already is. In the long run, I do not support the  being CIY after the CBTC implementation, mainly on how service is crap on Concourse. 

On 11/9/2022 at 11:51 AM, zacster said:

I actually rode the train and was the person that brought this up.  It was late morning.

I'm surprised Calvin didn't report this, but 1986-1990 Westchester to 240th

On 12/6/2022 at 12:05 AM, Cait Sith said:

None of this is actually official yet, nor will this happen during the winter pick. This is a spring pick scenario with other things at play.

The route swaps are not yet official. The MTA is looking into renting one of NJT's lots in Manhattan and store their buses in it in the meanwhile. If they are able to get a hold of one or two of the midday storage lots, they will not send any routes anywhere.

The only midday layover buses that will be staying in Manhattan will be Staten Island, Brooklyn(including SC) and Far Rockaway due to the cost of the deadheads. The rest will head back to their depots. This will make room for them to do any work needed.
 

Is the MJQ work not starting in the beginning of 2023? It is likely for it to happen during the pick.

26 minutes ago, Maxwell179 said:

There is no southbound service past 2 Av.

 service is suspended in parts of Brooklyn.   

Take trains or local buses. 

What's Happening?

We're addressing a problem with the signal system near Coney Island-Stillwell Av .

Service 

All southbound trains are ending at 2 Av in Manhattan and turning back to avoid congestion. 

Northbound service is extremely limited in Brooklyn. 

Service 

service is suspended between Bay 50 St and Coney Island-Stillwell Av in both directions. 

Some southbound trains will end earlier at Bay Pkwy to avoid congestion. 

Service 

trains are running with delays in both directions. 

Service 

There is no northbound service from Coney Island-Stillwell Av to Atlantic Av-Barclays Ctr. 

Northbound trains are running on the line from Coney Island-Stillwell Av to DeKalb Av .  

There is no southbound service from 86 St to Coney Island-Stillwell Av. 

Service 

There is no service between  Brighton Beach and Coney Island-Stillwell Av in either direction.

We're addressing a signal problem at Coney Island-Stillwell Av.

Service to/from Coney Island-Stillwell Av:

Only trains are running to Coney Island-Stillwell Av at this time. 

Posted: 11/17/2022 01:26PM

They could've just had  Trains end/start at Kings Highway.

On 11/13/2022 at 1:52 AM, Calvin said:

This part you mentioned is correct. Although there are issues found, it's not being scrapped or retired. Heavy repairs that'll set to see service post New Year of 2023. 

Yeah my friend confirmed it today, set is not retired.

Apparently 240th retired 1896-1900 @Calvin, but I won't believe it until I hear it from my friend who works at 240th, who previously stated that said set is having issues and won't see service until year's end, or 2023. 

On 11/1/2022 at 8:45 PM, Calvin said:

R142s 7021-7025 and 7171-7175 are slowly removing the outside experimental display. It's the circle with the route similar to the  with 7501-7505

7171 still has it, I saw it yesterday. As for 7021, I don't know, I can only keep track of 7171. Do 7506-7510 still have them?

2 hours ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

Kingsbridge is the Bronx Depot of hand me downs, as in when it comes to retirement many buses go to KB before they go and KB somehow is the one Bronx Depot with 5-10 older buses before they become fully retired or moved. They don't have as bad of maintenance of GH, but KB still has some notable moments, most notably on the articulated side especially given now that the 1200's are getting ran down and would definitely need to be retired before 2025.

Around 2021 (when the HEVs were being delivered), some of the glass covering the signs themselves used to be cracked, but Kingsbridge has seen resolved that issue.

2 hours ago, RSMG106 said:

Since 2020, I decided to go on almost all of the bus fleet, from 2004-onwards. With everything I went through throughout these two years as a busfanner, I wanted to know on which bus depot maintains their fleet best? The best one for example I went on, would be Jackie Gleason. The worst example would be West Farms (1042 has a moderate dent on the back of the streamline).

We can both agree the Bronx has the worst maintenance, but if I would choose the best depot with an unbiased opinion I'd say Yonkers express wise, and Kingsbridge local wise. Kingsbridge and Gun Hill are arguably better than one another to an extent, but I personally find Gun Hill at fault for not properly maintaining their fleet after having them on the roads all day, and not taking proper care of the fleet used on routes with many hills, bumpy roads, etc (Bx12.) Not by a long shot, I think Kingsbridge is the depot with the best from Bronx. They maintain decently, as they have the best LFSAs in the Bronx, but they seriously need to check out those streaks on some of the buses, and they need to repaint all Blue and White LFSAs. (Excluding 1287-1289).

1 hour ago, darkstar8983 said:

Unless both yards agree to keep their assignments fluid and allow the other to maintain some of their cars (ENY vs Jamaica). I mean that the ‘s and in this scenario the ‘a 8-car 160s could be maintained in either yard. 
 

not every subway line has their equipment maintained at a yard 2 feet away. Think of lines like the  (currently), the , the , Rockaway Park And Franklin Av Shuttles, and more importantly the 42 St Shuttle. Lots of dead heading to get to a yard

Some of the  and ‘s R160s could get stored in Coney Island like they do now between rush hours

The  has it's own space shared with the , but that's different. Yes some 's get stored at CIY, but that's still not enough in the 8-car  case. If this is to persist, then either those R160s are Coney Island assigned, or the  moves to Coney Island.

On 10/5/2022 at 4:53 PM, subwaycommuter1983 said:

ENY doesn't need ALL 8 car trains in the B division. Since, the G is in Jamaica, it makes more sense for ENY to send r160's to the G and get the 8 car r179's from the C.

We need to think about the future. Ridership is increasing and the C will need to go full length with 10 car trains and G will need to go full length with 8 car trains.

The problem is, unless there isn't an expansion in Jamaica Yard, there is no way that ENY is gonna send their own fleet of R160s just for one line, that requires a distant deadhead on top of that.  I don't see this actually happening without Jamaica themselves moving some cars to other yards and making room.

On 10/2/2022 at 1:50 AM, Kamen Rider said:

(I am not directing this at Reasearcher, this is just me voicing my opinion on the subject)

… I hate “de-interlineing”. It actively makes the system worse.

Here’s the thing about the subway…

IT WAS BUILT TO BE INTERLINED.

That’s what it was designed to be., designed to do.

The through put of a line is controlled by its terminals. Having different terminals branching off a core trunk allows said trunk to have a HIGHER TPH than otherwise would be possible, because otherwise the terminals would limit the core capacity.

 

 

the other thing I never liked about the concept it that it doesn’t take the wants of the ridership into account.

You know why the A is still split at Rockaway Blvd?

Why the Q is the Brighton Local?

the F still rarely goes express in Brooklyn?

it’s because that’s how the riding public wants them to be.

Ozone Park WANTS an express

Brighton line Passengers WANT Broadway.

Carol Gardens/Gowanus/ Prospect Park area Culver Line passengers don’t want to transfer twice or ride backwards.

This is what the public wants, so this is what they get.

 

like, I will say this about Reasercher’s map… taking the Briadway off SAS… bad idea, because it removes the connection between SAS and the 63rd street line.

You’re removing the transfer to/from the F, which, speaking as someone who has actually been the conductor on trains on both lines through that station… is a VERY popular transfer. Going from Downtown Q to queens bound F and in reverse, Brooklyn bound F to 96th bound Q.

 

Great minds think alike. I've told many many many people that the subway is deinterlined because of a rider's benefit. People fail to realize some of these branches work the way they do so commuters have access to one side of Manhattan and the other. For example:

 in the Bronx, Brooklyn
 in Brooklyn
 in Brooklyn
 In Brooklyn
/ North of 59th St
 in Queens
 

Rogers and DeKalb Junction are indeed hotspts of the subway, but they work because there are atleast two lines that bring passengers to one side  of Manhattan. They say that the  causes the most delays on IRT because it interlines with the  and . Yet they don't understand that  riders depend on the  to reach Lexington Avenue from areas like Eastchester, Edenwald, and Co-Op City. I heavily agree with you on the Brighton part. I've been telling people for a long ass time, Brighton riders have always wanted access to both Broadway and Sixth Avenue for a long time.  and  did not work because Brighton Riders did not have access to Broadway as soon as possible, rather they had to transfer at Atlantic Avenue. Same with both  and  , it *especially* didn't work because there was no 6th Avenue service on 4th Avenue. Rather having only the , and taking a longer 6th Avenue way to Manhattan. This is why after 2004, Brighton, and 4th Avenue finally became both 6th Avenue and Broadway with the .  It is so refreshing to see someone have common sense toward the subject of the subway line routing.