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2 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:
Will those 1100 r211's be delivered before 8th Avenue CBTC becomes active? Cause the A/C won't be able to keep the r46's once 8th Avenue CBTC is active and work is already underway.
This is why Pitkin and 207th Street shall get the R211s, and the remaining displaced R160s from Jamaica.
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6 hours ago, R32 3838 said:
if we would get the reduced 1100 cars, ENY wouldn't get any of these.
the order would probably be like this if we only got 1100 cars
Base Order: Pitkin
440 cars, 13 R179's sets goes to 207th st to bump off the 8 car R179's to ENY
Option Order
300 cars Coney Island for the
340 cars Jamaica
(to bump out the 260 siemens back to CI, the remaining 80 R160's to 207th for 
service killing the last remaining R46's on the )
SOMEONE ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDS WHY I STRESS THIS. THANK YOU.
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22 hours ago, Deucey said:
Riding a
local on Eastern Pkwy, and the stop announcements now say if there’s elevators at the next station.
When did this start?
I heard about this before, it's a new program on the
and 
for wheelchair passengers.
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15 hours ago, Stormxx said:
True. If the order were 1100 cars (220 5 car sets) the order would go like this:
BASE ORDER- 440 cars
- 380 cars to push out all remaining R46's.
- 60 cars. 40 extra alstoms would go to 207th.
OPTION ORDER REPLACEMENT- 360 cars
- 60 cars
- 300 cars
- Siemens
FLEET EXPANSIONS- 300 cars
- 300 cars. Push out the siemens to C.I and push 40 alstoms to 207th.
My take. Carry on.
@R68ACTrain this applies to your idea.
I see where this is going, but uh, Would you use the 13 R179s on the
on the or just have them both get R211s and use the fleet Pitkin/207th shares already?. Plus don't forget about the 32 cars going to ENY.
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Now we’re talking about apartments? I thought this was a R211 Discussion Thread..
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48 minutes ago, NewFlyer 230 said:
The portion above 59th street is technically 8th Ave but under different names.
Eh, but it’s still not called 8th Avenue, and regardless, CBTC cannot be installed until the R68s are gonna along CPW.
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15 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:
Thing is that I think that since 8 Av is getting CBTC, the
and 
have to get CBTC compatible cars because of spur-of-the-moment reroutes and scheduled weekend reroutes. Otherwise, and trains coming from the Bronx would have to terminate at 59 St Columbus Circle and trains from Brooklyn would have to be rerouted via Broadway OR be suspended between Manhattan and Brooklyn. This is the caveat of only having CBTC installed in select corridors; reduction in the number of available corridors to send overflow / rerouted trains.
Well, Central Park West isn’t really considered as 8th Avenue, and CBTC on the
and line would be up to 50th Street, atleast until Concourse gives up their R68s. That’s kinda like considering the 
after Utica Avenue as Eastern Parkway, even though it runs above Livonia Avenue.
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4 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:
Thing is that I think that since 8 Av is getting CBTC, the
and have to get CBTC compatible cars because of spur-of-the-moment reroutes and scheduled weekend reroutes. Otherwise, and trains coming from the Bronx would have to terminate at 59 St Columbus Circle and trains from Brooklyn would have to be rerouted via Broadway OR be suspended between Manhattan and Brooklyn. This is the caveat of only having CBTC installed in select corridors; reduction in the number of available corridors to send overflow / rerouted trains.
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8 hours ago, R32 3838 said:
I doubt the r179's are going to Coney. if anything Coney will get a decent chunk of r160's back. the 10 car R179's should stay where they are. If pitkin gets the entire base order then those 13 10 car sets would move to 207th st to bump out those 8 car R179's to ENY. making the
60% r179 and 40% r46's until the option order R211's comes in.
if option order 1 is R211A's then 500 of those cars should go to coney to replace all of their R46's. the 140 could be a toss up between 207th and jamaica
I doubt the 1st option order would be R211T's (they might need more time for testing)
the 2nd option order likely R211T's
405 to Jamaica to push out 405 r160's to coney, the 32 8 car units to the
for increased service.
coney pushes out the r68A's to concourse, gains a good portion of concourse's R68's for potential phase 2 2nd ave service and service increases. this gives coney one less class (R68A) to deal with. CI would be R68,R160/211A. Concourse would have 200 r68A's and 100 R68's increasing the spare factor for the
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the
would probably go full length instead of 8 cars.
people saying it's a waste for jamaica to lose the R160's but their CBTC has to work on other potential trunk lines since Queens Blvd has 4 different routes with 1 going 8th ave, 2 on 6th ave and one on broadway plus the crosstown. since 8th ave is next to get CBTC, The R160's cbtc has to work on 8th ave as well as other trunk lines including Astoria-broadway CBTC since its from 57th/7th ave to astoria plus Queens Blvd. so this whole the R160's can't be moved out of jamaica is complete bullshit. R211's cbtc has to work on all of those trunk lines that are getting cbtc as well.
And, instead of getting extra R211s, since the
is no where near getting CBTC, just have the run those R68/As only. Then the and use the R160Bs, and R211As.
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8 hours ago, R32 3838 said:
I doubt the r179's are going to Coney. if anything Coney will get a decent chunk of r160's back. the 10 car R179's should stay where they are. If pitkin gets the entire base order then those 13 10 car sets would move to 207th st to bump out those 8 car R179's to ENY. making the
60% r179 and 40% r46's until the option order R211's comes in.
if option order 1 is R211A's then 500 of those cars should go to coney to replace all of their R46's. the 140 could be a toss up between 207th and jamaica
I doubt the 1st option order would be R211T's (they might need more time for testing)
the 2nd option order likely R211T's
405 to Jamaica to push out 405 r160's to coney, the 32 8 car units to the
for increased service.
coney pushes out the r68A's to concourse, gains a good portion of concourse's R68's for potential phase 2 2nd ave service and service increases. this gives coney one less class (R68A) to deal with. CI would be R68,R160/211A. Concourse would have 200 r68A's and 100 R68's increasing the spare factor for the
.
the
would probably go full length instead of 8 cars.
people saying it's a waste for jamaica to lose the R160's but their CBTC has to work on other potential trunk lines since Queens Blvd has 4 different routes with 1 going 8th ave, 2 on 6th ave and one on broadway plus the crosstown. since 8th ave is next to get CBTC, The R160's cbtc has to work on 8th ave as well as other trunk lines including Astoria-broadway CBTC since its from 57th/7th ave to astoria plus Queens Blvd. so this whole the R160's can't be moved out of jamaica is complete bullshit. R211's cbtc has to work on all of those trunk lines that are getting cbtc as well.
Wait, where does Concourse have the space for this? Mine you some R68As are stored there anyways, and Concourse has 264 R68s!
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14 minutes ago, JeremiahC99 said:
So with that in mind, the base R211s would go to Pitkin for the
, pushing out 144 R46 cars to the , and the R179 5-car sets to Coney Island to replace the worst performing 104 worst performing R46 cars there, and the second-worst performing R46 cars replaced by the best performing R46 cars from Pitkin. The other 208 cars cars go to scrap, leaving 436 cars remaining. The 4-car R179s move to East NY Yard for bolstering the fleet.
Option 1 should go to both Jamaica and Coney Island. 260 for Jamaica to send the R160 Siemens to 207th Street Yard for expanded
service, and 380 to Coney Island to knock out the remaining R46 cars. trains would now have enough cars for 5-minute headways.
For option 3 we should see the 405 5-car units to Coney Island Yard, moving the R160s to Jamaica Yard. The 32 4-car sets would go to East NY Yard.
3rd option? Um, I don’t like the Coney Island bound R179s, as they are not CBTC Equipped, but the R211s are. Let’s say if the
was to get CBTC soon which it probably would, and it would need CBTC equipped trains, the R179s should have to get equipped first, and the would have to operate the R160s and R211As since they’re CBTC equipped. Plus as said many times, Coney Island is definitely not a priority for new cars. Carry on.
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1 minute ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:
Is it true that the r211's have less seats than other car fleets?
If that is the case, then the A should be 100% r211A's, while the C gets the 10 car r179's, plus r211A's or Jamaica r160's.
100% full length trains (regardless of fleet) will increase capacity on the C. Even though ridership on the C is expected to increase significantly, it won't be as high as the A, E,F.
In the event that the MTA does exercise both option orders that include a descent amount of r211T's, then those r211T's can be split between the A, E, and F.
Thank you, someone who thinks the same way I do when it comes to the future assignments.
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5 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:
The base order of r211A's is 440 cars (forty four 10 car trains) which is enough to replace all 44 Pitkins r46's trains. The A/C needs to be 100% NTT due to 8th Avenue CBTC.
The base order of r211T's is 20 cars (two 10 car trains).
It is actually 535 according to the manufacturer of the train itself, and I am aware of the 8 Av CBTC.
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9 hours ago, Stormxx said:
The
can't screw up with cars like they did in 2010. If the exercises 1 option order, it would go to C.I. If they don't exercise, the could see a very bad car shortage that would need to be filled up by R268's. If the does have ANY sense, they'd exercise. And I think the already knows that. If they don't, well, we're in for a tough ride.
This is true, but see my comment above. Tell me what you think.
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12 hours ago, Stormxx said:
Just sayin'...
If you give the
the whole base order and the options aren't exercised, the are in for a long one.
The
ALSO HAVE R46's!!! You guys keep leaving out the !
What do you expect C.I would do? How would they replace their breaking down 46's?
My take.
Give all 535 R211s to Jamaica, displace maybe 600-650 R160s.
The
gets half of the displaced R160s,
and give the rest to
, this means a potential car shortage of MTA doesn’t exercise all orders, and the R68s will be working extra hard.
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6 hours ago, Around the Horn said:
That was the plan though...
Says who??
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14 minutes ago, VIP said:
I think you need to chill out and let the New York City Transit car equipment management division handle car assignments. As far as predictions and ideas that’s totally fine, but try not to be so aggressive and knock other people’s ideas or predictions.
I’m just saying something about things that I see and have noticed on this thread. No hard feelings!
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On 2/8/2021 at 10:56 AM, Stormxx said:
You can't change the base order. the
needs T's, not A's.
No it doesn’t. It doesn’t need them, you want the
to have the Ts. It will be fine with the As.
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1 minute ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:
Exactly.
IMO the G should get the 8 car r179's from the C. The G will need those trains more than ENY.
That may be the reason why the option orders include four 8 car trains of r211A's (32 cars) for ENY, so that the G goes 480ft with the 8 car r179's.
You people must want to see R160B
‘s and R179 ‘s! Nooo! Just give those to ENY, and the reason why ENY is even getting the 211s is because it’s designated for the . For the fourth time:
: R211A, R160 (Potential extras from Jamaica), R179.
: R211A, R160.
: R211A, R160
Frank: R68, R68A
: Displace R160B Siemens and more Alstoms with the amount of 211As if more than 260, give them to Coney Island, or Pitkin. (R160, R211A)
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2 hours ago, R32 3838 said:
with the
being mixed length, train operators get confused since they are used to stopping at the 8 car marker. having the same type of equipment in different lengths would cause bigger confusion. i'm not knocking on train operators, i'm just saying this from what i've seen and heard
This is why I’m saying have both the
run 600 feet trains. It’s just common sense.
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8 hours ago, Calvin said:
The
had a drop in ridership, the TA had plans to continue the route with its cut schedule.
The
, the fleet amount may be the cause of this (pooled with the using R46)
Huh, no wonder why when I was at Kingston railfanning, the
to 168th Street was running on 11-13 minute headways.
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18 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:
Makes sense.
in fact the base order r211A's consists of
440 cars = 44 10 car trains
Pitkin currently has
352 cars = 44 8 car trains
Yep, mine as well give that entire order to Pitkin and 207, so that the
could run 600' cars
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13 hours ago, Maxwell179 said:
What’s the difference between the R211A & R211S besides the obvious of the former going to the B-Division and the latter heading to SIR ?
The difference is basically the numbering, and the destination programs, and probably cab signaling.
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1 hour ago, Stormxx said:
I think the base order should go to Pitkin, stay there for 1 year, and then move the base order to C.I when the R211T's come in
After R211 order is complete: [(doing all lines) if all options are purchased and the remainder of the order would be R211T]
Rock - will be 100% R211. (475 cars) The 40 R179' s currently on the would go to the .
- most current R68's in Coney would operate on the Frank and lines.
- will be 50 50. (120 R179's and 120 Alstoms) The reason I do not think the Siemens should go onto the is because the would not need all 260 cars.
- 80 20. (Retire some R68's and bring 100 R160's from Jamaica in) The R211 order would finally be a chance for the to get NTT's
-70 30. (400 R211T's and 200 R160's) The really need open gangways, and once they get them, they will bump out some R160's to Concourse and Coney.
- R143, R160A-1, R179
- R143, R160A-1, R211A (32)
- 35 65 (75 R211A's, 175 R160's) In my books, all Broadway lines will be 100% NTT after the R46's are retired. When Astoria CBTC commences, the situation that is Astoria Blvd will be no more.
- 90 10 (150 R211's 20 R160's). 2nd Avenue subway will be 100% NTT after the 46's are retired. The 46's are a pain on the .
- 100% R160 (290 cars) The would stay NTT because of QBL.
I rest my case.
This is lowkey good but there’s a few things I’d like to change. In my opinion, here’s the plan I have in mind
: R179, R160, R211A, have both lines from 600 feet, while the 8 Car R179s transfer to : R211A, R211T, R160A/B Alstoms, all 260 R160B Siemens’ transfer to Coney Island, for and service, and have all OTT’s on the .
As for what you said with
, there’ no need to retire perfectly great performing cars, instead just have those 100 R160s go to Pitkin or Coney Island.
have extra R179s from the , could potentially see R179 more.
retire R46, receive R160B Siemens, maybe the extra 100 cars you said as well, and receive the R211As for and service,
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(to bump out the 260 siemens back to CI, the remaining 80 R160's to 207th for 
service killing the last remaining R46's on the 
local on Eastern Pkwy, and the stop announcements now say if there’s elevators at the next station.
for wheelchair passengers.
- 380 cars to push out all remaining R46's.
- 60 cars
and 
have to get CBTC compatible cars because of spur-of-the-moment reroutes and scheduled weekend reroutes. Otherwise, 
after Utica Avenue as Eastern Parkway, even though it runs above Livonia Avenue.
for increased service.
can't screw up with cars like they did in 2010. If the 
Frank: R68, R68A
- R143, R160A-1, R179
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And the 8 4-car sets are definitely going to ENY.