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On 9/21/2022 at 11:51 PM, T to Dyre Avenue said:

They’re lad to see R160s on their line.

As for the  and , I think everyone on here pretty much knows the reason Transit switched them in 2004 when the 6th Ave Manhattan Bridge tracks reopened. They could have just as easily brought them back to their pre-2001 Brooklyn routes by upgrading the  to 24/7 service via the West End Line and extended to 205th Street, while downgrading the  to weekdays-only service on the Brighton Express. But they didn’t. Even if they did we’d likely still have the same maddening delays at DeKalb Junction and long waits for the next train after every two trains that pass through Canal or Grand. But that’s for another discussion…

It's still the same thing just with swapped letters..

On 10/1/2022 at 3:51 PM, darkstar8983 said:

That sound about right:

Base order - kills off all Pitkin R46s -460 cars (essentially takes care of the  fleet

option order 1 - 160 cars takes care of the  fleet and Rockaway Park Shuttle, along with R179 10-car units now Interchangeable between the , but CBTC can start with just the base order, since the 8-car R179s can be used in the interim. 400 cars for Concourse for the  train and anticipated service increases. All 8-car R179s shift to ENY.

so far - 1020 cars assigned

 

option order 2 (and end of option 1)

350 cars to Jamaica for the  and shifts lower numbered R160s to Coney Island for the , due to higher ridership on QB than CPW/Brighton. 
 

so far - 1370 cars of 1500 cars to be assigned

The extra 130 cars of NYC Subway R211s can be used to bolster the fleet of Lines assigned the new cars.

R211s to the  

R160s to the  

Or they could just keep things simple and leave Jamaica with all R160s and all Central Park West line cars with R211s. The fleet increase could also move the R179s to Jamaica since R179s will also be CBTC equipped and increase the spare factor. Generation 1 CBTC cars could be in Jamaica, also allowing for possibility of R179 trains and more fleet interchangeability between ENY routes, with Generation 2 R211 cars would be part of Central Park West, assigned 207 St, Pitkin, and Concourse Yards.

 

or do the following:

not give Staten Island the R211, and instead send R68A cars, with the mainline R68/R68A cars assigned to the  / , and the remaining roughly now 210 cars of R211s to be delivered bring sent to Jamaica and send 210 R160s for the . Some slight R211 movements between Pitkin, Concourse and Jamaica would occur to free up a couple more R160s to cover spare factors.

an earlier post suggested 6th Av CBTC will be starting in this capital program and it is not known whether a new order of subway cars will be ready on property for CBTC, so you could just right away have the  with a CBTC ready fleet due to interchangeability of how the  operates in Manhattan. The  can reach its north / south terminals through either 6 Av or Broadway, joining the IND in flexible midtown manhattan reroutes, leaving the  as the only routes incapable of doing so.

 

just keep in mind that IF and ONLY IF there are enough spare NTT cars for any Broadway Line to have a few sets here and there, the MTA will likely assign them to the  long as the  sticks around. Only my plan in the “no R211s for Staten Island” proposal would shift those new cars to the , or a discontinuation of the .

Behind all of this fleet assignment, this should be another reason why the  should be Concourse full time. For this to work, Jerome has to stop sending trains to Concourse to be stored over the weekends, and late nights. This will let CPW to be consecutively R179, R211, and possibily R160 (if any get sent to Concourse).

Those extra 130 R211s could be supplemental to Coney Island, Concourse, or Pitkin/207. Increase  or  service. 

As for SI, I agree that they could send some sort of fleet over there. But even though, Staten Island has been screaming new cars since the R44s retirement in 2010. So it may actually be better if they get R211S'.  

On 10/1/2022 at 11:48 AM, Amiri the subway guy said:

Here’s what I believe should happen. The main order will go on the  the R179 8 cars sets will go to the   But the R179 19 car will stay with the  the  will be fully R211 all  R46s will be scrapped. The  options order will than go the  and sending the R179s to the   After that the other option order will be for the  displacing the R160s to the  all remaining R46s and 80%-90% of all R68s and R68As will be scrapped. The R211 open gangway will be sent to the  first. The   gets R160s. The little small amounts of R68s R68As  will be kept for emergency spares in the event of R211s breakdown but when the R211s are proofed to be realible R68s R68As will be scrapped. Any thoughts 

Here we go with this 8 car R179 propaganda. I'm assuming you haven't been on the forums enough to see that many of us here on the forums are saying, the R179s are NOT moving to Coney Island, or Jamaica for the . Just so you know, the real expectation for majority of the people on these forums are for the R211s and 10 Car R179s to cover and, have the 88 R179s at 207th Street move to East New York to Increase  services. Another thing I want to point out, the R211s are replacing the R46, not the R68/As. The R179s are not going to Concourse for no given reason, as when the R211 arrive at Jamaica, this results in displaced R160s returning to the  and . This also allows for the  and  to run New Techs as well. When you said the  would get R160s, you completely got it all wrong. Due to the platform length of the entire route, the  will be running 150ft trains under further notice. There is no plan for any New Techs to be slimmed to 3 car 60 foot trains to accomodate this route as of right now. Time will only tell. As for the R68/As in storage, I agree with you in this case.  will have to learn from their mistakes of immediately retiring older fleet as soon as the new fleet comes in, then a fleet shortage because the new fleet is being sidelined. This has been the case for both the subway, and bus division. Carry on,

5 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

Why does the KB and GH run 40 footers on artic routes during the summer? Is it because a shortage of artics or interlining? I rode an Nova Hybrid on the BX9 today and the bus was filled to capacity. Bus was crush loaded while climbing that steep hill on Kingsbridge road. It was an slow climb but the bus made it lol.

Yeah, 9650 and 9660 were on the 9 today, I rode 9650 to 238th Street, and it was pretty tight. I notice since the Spring Pick there was been four 40 footers in all covering Bx1/2 trips during the day. 

1 hour ago, Calvin said:

To be honest, yes. When the  had 7211-7670, they were falling apart with the screeching brakes and buckings on those cars. 

Well, screeching brakes should be the least of a trains problems. Our R62As, R142A, R143s, R160s, and R188s all do have screeching brakes. along with some R46s.

9 minutes ago, VIP said:

The Jerome crews pretty much became the old Westchester crews…

Westchester was this bad before?

21 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Anyone else think the  is doing to much with the R142A’s…these LCD advertisements look tacky and just not needed.

Eh... they're doing little to the R142As imo... the entire fleet needs to be refreshed. Jerome isn't doing such a great job with the R142As.

On 7/21/2022 at 10:21 PM, trainfan22 said:

If you think NYCT is bad, an old MBTA subway train caught fire on an bridge, a rider jumped off the train into the river below! IIRC the Orange line new cars are delayed for some reason. I rode those old Orange line subway cars in dec 2020, they make the 2022 R46s look like an Maybach in comparison.

 

 

 

To be honest, MBTA's maintanence is very bad when it comes to the 15, 16, 1700s, 1800s, and 1200s. The 1200s-1700s are all on their last legs, and the MDBF seems like its getting lower every month with these cars. Yes it may have been 90 degrees, but MBTA hasn't been thinking with logic when it comes to the activity of the subway cars. The 1200s have been ran to the ground every time the T takes the 14s OOS. They only need to take the troubled train out, not the whole fleet. As it creates delays, long headways, etc. But luckily, MBTA is running weekend services on the subway, so the 1400s *sixth* grounding isn't so affecting to Orange riders. This proves that CRRC shouldn't build the rest of the 1400s, and the 1900s for the red line. MBTA needs to get their shit together.

14 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

Concourse only stores trains, NOT maintain them. Coney Island Maintains the fleet. It would make sense to have the share a fleet of tech trains since Astoria is back on the table for CBTC. Go back a few posts and it's explained why Concourse can't handle the and together. It was only rumored that the was moving to Concourse but that's put to bed now that Astoria will also get CBTC in the future. By the time Astoria CBTC starts, It's likely the R68 replacements will be finalized or will start coming in. This is why i said it makes sense for CI to get the R160s back.

I know they only store them, never said maintain. Thats why I said when Concourse sees new trains, the  may be switched to Concourse full time for CBTC purposes.

I’m just reading all of these comments, some of you guys are speaking of new trains going to Coney Island just for the . To the people saying this, you guys are forgetting that Concourse and Coney Island share the . Especially when Concourse sees new trains, the  will be Concourse full time. It doesn’t make any sense for Coney Island to receive a piece of R160s or R211s for just the . It is most likely that Coney Island is going to be strictly R46-68/A when the R211s run on the  . Also with these CBTC delays, the  is gonna be in huge trouble financial wise, Subway car wise, and fleet wise. 

3 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

I know it's sounds drastic and expensive, but I think the MTA should consider during the weekends utilizing all the r68's from the B for the NQ and perhaps borrowing trains from ENY and Jamaica for the AC to give the worst performing r46's a break during the weekends until a good chunk of the r211's are in service.

This idea is not bad but, there’s only 10  trains that get stored at Concourse on the weekends, and knowing Coney Island, more than 80 (10 trains) R46s would be knocked out. This potentially could work, but they would have to manage because Coney Island is definitely gonna be the last to receive R211s.

1 hour ago, Storm said:

I know that. I think y’all don’t know the definition of new. New meaning NOT the 46s, new meaning R68s. 

There’s a difference between new and hand-me-downs. Clearly you don’t know what new means either. You’re contradicting your own statement.

46 minutes ago, Calvin said:

Still at 240 St  

Thank you.

On 6/3/2022 at 9:20 PM, Calvin said:

The , 239 St currently houses 6301-6345, 6351-6725 (420 cars = 42 10-car trains) while the , E.180 St has 6726-7130 (405 cars = 40 10-car trains with a 5-car Shuttle spare set). 

Before the  had 6716-6725 at E.180 St but was sent to the  for extra needs even though they swap car units at times. 

Is 1896-1900 at Westchester? Or is it still at 240th. Haven’t seen it since May 2021 and I ride the  everyday

14 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

Trains break down sometimes, I did NOT say they didn't break down at all. Corona maintained the R62A well when they had them and one got an brake pipe rupture and got stuck in the under water tube, things happen.

 

 

So if I posted a video of an R160 with some random mechanical problem you would think the entire fleet is falling apart? 

 

 

I seen a railfan on youtube claim that Pikin maintains the R179 poorly cause of a few messed up pixels in the FIND, just absurd.

No but age plays a big part in something like that. It would be preposterous if someone said something so ridiculous about a young fleet. But we are talking about the R46s here. They turn 47 in just a few weeks, and they are trying their hardest to still run, but the fleet collectively is falling apart. This is why MTA needs to put their thinking caps on and reduce the usage of these cars by putting more on shorter, or day-afternoon-evening routes such as the  and less trains of the R46s on the . Yes Concourse is not able to manage this fleet, but this is why he  is still at Coney Island. If these delays do continue, the entire B Division will have a mass fleet shortage. Let’s keep it real.

21 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

The B can't run r46's because Concourse can't handle two different fleets.

Concourse is not the main yard for them . Coney Island is able to handle them which is part of why it’s still there.

5 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

 

 

Its not that bad to the point they would cave in. They just have mostly mechanical issues that CAN be fixed but they barely have the time to get to everything due to the fact they need to make service. 

 

Again you are pushing hard for Coney to get R211s when they are not the priority right now.

 

 

 

Between this and the one that caught fire a few months back. But non of these guys see to get that. And I'm not R46 hater, But I want these fans to keep that same energy that they had for the R32s for the past 12 years for these too. Once that subway car fleet is the oldest in the system, They do not care for it.

And they fail to understand that age plays a huge roll in mechanical problems. How many times has the  and  have been delayed by a mechanical problem? And I’ve seen it where  and   have been affected by these delays, and they don’t run R46s, or run them to the ground on these lines

5 hours ago, Storm said:

If you saw what I said, I said coney would get new cars, new meaning NOT The R46.

Coney Island isnt gonna get new cars for a while. They’re gonna be forced to get Concourse R68s, and Jamaica R160s due to the declining reliability of the R46s

3 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

So I'm supposed take your word for it, a random rider that the R46 are just as bad as the R32s over FACTUAL MDBF stats? 

 

 

You may believe that the R46s are as bad as the 32s, you're entitled to your opinion, but that's just what you think, that doesn't make it true. The ones at Pikin are fine, it's only MINOR issues with the CI units. 

 

 

These anti R46s posts are just railfans being over dramatic. The cars are still providing reliable service considering their age and the lines they run on.

 

The SI R44s are in progress of being SMS, I'm sure CI overhaul shop has an band aid solution to keep the SI R44s road worthy until 2024. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/941484954817286194/986749821522161694/received_778165213337927.mp4 Yup, the R46s at Pitkin are definitely fine.

On 4/10/2022 at 10:59 AM, mrsman said:

 

 24/7.  The northern terminal will change based on the timeframe.  Bedford Park Blvd during rush hours, 145th during mid-day and weekend.  Norwood during late nights when the [C] isn't running.

 

I don't the  should change terminals based off the time. That should be the . Being that the 's frequency is lower than the 's, it wouldn't be logical to have the  to the Bronx all times.

On 3/2/2022 at 10:58 AM, Kingsbridgeviewer382 said:

Unless you don't count the 1900s that still have the 240th yard labels, Westchester yard only has 15 ex 240th St yard cars left (2221-2225, 2346-2350, & 2461-2465). 240th still has way more 1800s in comparison.

Yeah 240th has 1826-1830; 1841-1900. Speaking off 1900, has anyone seen 1896-1900?

59 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

I know that this week, subway service was going to be reduced because of staff shortages, but maybe it  would be more practical to have the headways on some lines evened out (as much as possible), because the service is as inconsistent as it has been all year. Example:

Yes, the  is running local (no Skip-stop Express or Broadway-Brooklyn Express) since the  is suspended, but the headways are inconsistent. I thought a dispatcher knew with at least 30 minutes notice how many train crews would be missing, but I could be wrong. The advance notice (even though it may be minutes) can help even out headways  for departures when there are shortages. You'll see on the board:

 - Broad St - 1 min

 - Broad St - 5 min

 - Broad St- 29 mins

*Couldn't the 2nd  train have been held prior to departure to help plug the 24 minute gap?

 

another example:

The  had a 30 minute gap Manhattan-bound during the AM rush towards Harlem, but southbound trips were running on average every 10-12 minutes. Maybe that 30 minute gap could have been plug by having the lead train (prior to the gap) held to just have two 15-minute gaps instead of a 30-minute one. Again, I could be wrong about how evening out headways and trying to make trains as consistent as possible works.

 

Maybe a blanket change could be:

 - every 5 minutes instead of every 3 minutes

/ - every 10-12 minutes instead of every 5-6 mins.

etc.

The 1 is usually every 4 mins

On 12/2/2021 at 8:54 AM, biGC323232 said:

Close 36 years old...

 

Oldest 68s are 35, youngest ones are 32. Oldest 68As are 33, and the youngest ones are 31.

18 hours ago, paulrivera said:

New techs on the ? I wish. The having R211's would be cool, but Concourse takes good care of the R68's. I think the 68's should be kept there for now tbh. Besides, the  is going to be priority for the initial R211 order anyway. After that, we'll see how far along they are with CBTC installations.

I would think that those R160's are going back to CI.

Concourse needs to rearrange how they store their trains before anyone even discusses moving the over there.

I can agree, but they use about 8-11 tracks to store 's, but they had the R32s in one specific area, but they moved some of them to the southeastern side, when some is on the southwestern side. Then they use about 6 tracks to store the  trains for the weekend. Though there is a sign on the barn saying "Home of the ," yet there hasn't been a single  in the  shop yet, so when there is one, then it is safe to say that the  has officially moved to Concourse.

15 hours ago, Calvin said:

The 2 single units at Corona Yard, 1954 and 1958 have went back to Westchester Yard for  service 

Can you another fleet swap checklist for everything as of  Halloween like you did for the new years?

20 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

 

I Doubt it, Wouldn't make any sense now.

Well the  has always had some space at Concourse since they've been running on  Grand Concourse, but it does make sense. Why would it make sense to have a CBTC route at a yard with other routes that don't have CBTC, and will not get it for some time?

2 minutes ago, RSMG106 said:

8314 YU to MQ. Currently on the M9 to Battery Park City.

How come some LFSs are at MJQ? 

6 minutes ago, Calvin said:

 

Not every single unit, it's a few being checked while others are still okay to be used in passenger service. It's not like the Subway with the R179s being OOS that select subway lines have to run a reduced schedule causing heavy crowds with longer waits. 

Yeah an update was just sent out that most HEVs are OOS.