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Here we go with this again... Let me be in clear in saying we would fight tooth and nail against any extension to Yonkers. The BxM3 which is also a Riverdale express bus (albeit it Downstairs Riverdale) excluding it not terminating in Yonkers is sufficient enough and if they aren't using that then that means there is no reason to extend any other NYC buses there past the city borderline, lengthening routes unnecessarily and making them potentially more unreliable and more expensive to operate to Westchester on the city's dime. Completely ridiculous. City taxes should be going for city services. We're already cleaning up their mess with the BxM18 picking up BxM4C riders. Enough is enough with this utter concern about Westchester residents while using city dollars. NYC NEEDS MORE BUS SERVICE. Let's worry about what we need and let Westchester deal with their problems.
MTA proposed a Bx7 extension in 2007 to Ludlow MNR.
Bx34 had a proposed extension to Mount Vernon sometime in the early 1990s
A BxM4 extension to Yonkers Raceway was also discussed between Rob Astorino and Jay Walder (probably the best thing for the BxM4 at this point to boost its ridership, could still happen if the BxM4C got canned completely).
W45, W54, W60, W61, and W62 are open door in the Bronx (except Fordham Road) and serve parts of the Bronx that the MTA doesn't serve, so the city and MTA do get some "help" from Westchester.
MTA was even proposing to cut weekend Bx30 service, which would have left Boston Road on the weekends completely with only the W60 and W61.
BxM18 picking up BxM4C riders isn't a problem, the BxM18 picks up many express bus riders needing to go downtown, unless you want the BxM18 to be only for Riverdale and everyone else should have their own buses to Downtown.
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According to SubwayTime the
shuttle is replacing the 
between E 180 St and 241 St, instead of the running in two sections. and have swapped north terminals. Looks like the needs a 241 - E 180 program if it doesn't have one already (It has a 241 - 149 program)0 -
Nope. The 2227 Bowling Green-Dyer was the last
of the night. The is handling overnight service.I meant E 180 St being used as a north terminal, not south.
onthego.mta.info (and tripplanner) has a schedule showing that the first few
trains in the morning start service at E 180 St-Bowling Green and the last few trains are Bowling Green-E 180 St (Saturday night only, Sunday is normal).0 -
Are some
trains starting/ending at E 180 St at the beginning/end of service while the is at Dyre?0 -
Does anyone know the last time that both the
and were going to Dyre at the same time?? That's what's REALLY gonna make things interesting this weekend!2003
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Wow, a R46 at Lefferts!!! I hope somebody got a photo of THAT!
The photographer foamers travel in packs. One of them will hold the doors while the other one runs onto the catwalk to get a photo. That's when I get on my radio. They were doing it during the first
to Flatbush GO in January at every single Nostrand Ave stop.......and of course police didn't respond until Franklin, and they got off at President to abuse the next train.Ladies and Gentlemen we are being delayed in order to get pictures of this historic run, please be patient
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40 could run to 238 during rush hours to connect to/from the
, 241 other times.The late 40 trip to 241 St gets to Mt Vernon after the 42 stops running, people who would otherwise be stranded could use the 40 back to the Bronx if they get to one of the bus stops in time.
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Either run the W40 to 241 St full time, or extend the Bx39 to Mt Vernon East MNRR. There were plans to run the Bx34 to Mt Vernon East MNRR at one time (early 90s).
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Why did they add service to the
? They could've kept it at 10 minute headways and then cut less service on the 
(Maybe run it every 6-7 minutes instead of every 8)Evens out the headways on the
(Bronx and Brooklyn) and (Bronx, Manhattan, and Brooklyn).Also the express local pairs
/ (Brooklyn) and / 
(Manhattan) each have the same amount of midday service. - 8 minutes - 8 minutes - 8 minutes - 8 minutes - 8 minutes - 8 minutes0 -
You absolutely cannot cut the weekend or weekday
at all. Too much ridership on Jerome. Very dense areaMTA has already done this during middays using "cost neutrality" and evening out the headways to do it. It did help midday
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Running the
to Flatbush on weekends could come at a cost, remember the midday service change that extended the to Flatbush?midday before
4-7 minutes 10 minutesmidday after
8 minutes 8 minutesWeekend idea
to FlatbushCurrent
8 minutes 10-14 minutesProposed (option 1)
10 minutes 10 minutesProposed (option 2)
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If you have a once-in-a-while doctor's appointment or something, you just try to schedule it at a time that works around the BxM4C schedule.
And sitting there for an hour or hour and a half or however long it takes is comfortable because you can just sit back and relax or whatever.
Look, don't try to convince me, because I'd just take the BL-20/21 to the subway and save the money, but people have their reasons for taking it. Maybe it's because parking is short and it's easier to just walk up to the bus than it is to make your way to the station.
Well, you can't go by ridership alone because the BxM4C is a pretty long route. But Amtrak posted a link that showed the farebox recovery ratio, and it was actually making money.
The 4C was profitable for about 3 months in 2011 (around the summer)
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Your joking right the 4C is NEVER CHEAPER. Cause its schedule is unsuitable for casual riders. MNRR is $278 WITH UNLIMITED METROCARD!!!!!! From crestwood southward so you do get that subway connection so Fail you didn't do your math or reasearch no matter how you look at it you have to be a FOOL to even consider 4C a viable travel option. Since when is sitting in 5 MPH traffic for a bloddy hour considered comfortable??
The BxM4C has more ridership than (2011 annual ridership)......
BxM4C 163,997
BM5 156,293
QM1 150,290
X68 149,323
QM8 143,763
QM12 126,839
BxM4 118,101
QM11 109,536
QM17 102,015
X64 100,507
QM16 97,119
QM21 95,836
QM10 90,301
QM25 78,420
BxM18 76,900
QM18 59,800
QM3 32,798
4C is doing better than expected and hanging on.
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I will admit I am shocked the 4C still has ridership its way slower and more expensive than metro-north even with the monthly metrocard combo 4C is still more expensive. Those riders are indeed loyal to the point of financial STUPIDITY. No matter how you calculate it the 4C is NOT a good deal no matter what you or where you board
The 4C is a good deal compared to a one way peak ticket on Metro North though and allows a free transfer to another bus (not from another bus though, not even a step up fare). 4C is closer to than Metro North to those on Central (Park) Avenue, other that that it does seem like a waste (unless there is a lack of seats on some MNR trains, then comfort has to factor in the use of the 4C).
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Speaking of reducing "empty mileage"
Bx55 LTD:
1. All AM rush hour put ins should start from Gun Hill Road instead of Fordham Plaza
2. All late PM rush hour and early evening run offs should be extended from Fordham Plaza to Gun Hill Road.
This also helps the Bx41 in getting riders to/from the Bx39 for very little cost and restores some service to Gun Hill Road
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The
would only be interested in extending routes like these if it meant that there was a substantial amount of ridership that could be gained and South Yonkers is not the place where that would be happening and you know it, so I don't understand why you're even proposing this. Also all three routes #1 are doing just fine and #2, most of the ridership in Riverdale comes from the area around 236th & Riverdale Avenue or Henry Hudson Parkway and down to Kappock, so they're already running them to 263rd street with a few folks on them. You yourself said that the BxM3 doesn't see much ridership up there and then you keep talking about "attracting ridership"... Your proposal makes no sense... If folks aren't using the current express bus, what exactly would make them suddenly say oh my let me start using these express buses because they run down Riverdale Avenue... You haven't offered one good reason to extend these routes because if they're extended and no one is using them then they might as well deadhead to the depot.Also, you and checkmate keep talking about South Yonkers as if it is somehow comparable to Riverdale in terms of money and anyone that frequents that area knows that there is a big difference between Riverdale and South Yonkers, not only in looks but in terms of money. If they really had the money to take the express bus like that up there, then they would be using the BxM3 or they would already be making their way over to Riverdale Avenue and 261st street via car for the first stop to catch the BxM1, BxM2 and BxM18, which also isn't happening because the buses often times don't get crowded until 239th and Henry Hudson Parkway or even later than that which is around where I get on at (anywhere from 239th to 232nd and Henry Hudson Parkway or Riverdale Av & 236th street depending on my mood and me trying to avoid taking the stairs to reach the other side of Henry Hudson Parkway), so this attracting ridership crappola in Yonkers is not going to sell me.
I never said the BxM3 didn't get much usage. I also never said that South Yonkers was comparable to Riverdale, I just said that keeping some buses in service may make them more productive.
You think everyone will go via car to an express bus? Some people use a local bus to get the free transfer. The W8 would be their best bet, though the PM rush schedule of the W8 would need to be delayed by about 5 minutes so that the BxM18 could connect to it. The other buses would be better for transferring. Maybe some W8 riders do transfer to the express buses on Riverdale Avenue already.
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Well the transfer at 23rd street thing is fine, but sending them up to Getty Square... Forget it. The fact that you've pretty much stated that they wouldn't use the BxM3 as an option yet again illustrates that there is no need to extend the BxM18.
Any extension of the BxM1, BxM2, or BxM18 on Riverdale Avenue would have NOTHING to do with BxM4C riders (on the other side of Yonkers). This is to attract riders on the other side of Yonkers (mainly Riverdale Avenue) by making deadheads more productive. Since many BxM18 buses are going back in service in the PM, that obviously means that some BxM1 and BxM2 buses will be ending their runs. Either way the point of making deadheads more productive by staying in service applies to any of the three routes. I don't see a problem with rush hour deadheads going to Yonkers and put ins starting from Yonkers. All runs going back to Manhattan will NOT run in Yonkers.
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Last I checked Bee Line is for Westchester residents and if they cut their service, that isn't
Bus' problem, nor our problem.I was talking about the express bus transfers that BxM4C riders can transfer at 23rd St therefore the BxM4C could be cut below 23rd St. This has nothing to do with the BxM18 being an alternative for Yonkers residents who ride the 4C. Well MTA Bus will just have to deal with 4C riders below 23rd St, and there is nothing that anyone can do about that.
Says the guy who doesn't understand that the BxM4C is on the other side of Yonkers and has nothing to do with this (referring to previous posts)...
In any case, like I said, I doubt it would cost much to reschedule the runs a little bit so they can still be interlined.
Edit: Whoops, didn't see this.
In any case, we don't know that for a fact without looking at any of the runsheets, do we? Aside from that, maybe it's possible to send some BxM1s & BxM2s up there instead (the ones that aren't going back to Midtown).
Definitely possible, in the AM much easier to send any of the three routes in service from Yonkers, the PM would be limited to whatever deadheads (I would prefer the AM and PM to have the same number of trips on one route). If only a few buses deadhead in the PM rush this would end up like the BxM8 to City Island.
Like I said, what does the BxM4C have to do with the BxM18 when it's completely on the other side of Yonkers? When he said it was an alternative, he meant via transfer at 23rd Street, not that riders would actually walk over to Getty Square and pick up another bus.
4C riders are loyal to the 4C (even willing to pay over 7 dollar fare), they wouldn't even consider the BxM3 as an option when the BxM4C was threatened with elimination, so no way would they go for the BxM18 (unless they transferred at 23 St).
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BxM18 goes to Riverdale and it's for us and we use it.
BxM18 is also for the downtown express bus transfers and has been for years.
What is puzzling to me is how one minute according to checkmate, we can't have buses serving every block and the next we can go out of our way to extend a route to an area that is likely to see NO usage and then go on to try to justify it even when he (checkmate) has been told about how many BxM18s turn into BxM1s or BxM2s. What he fails to understand is that the way all three routes are set up allow for those buses to do their next run fairly easily with a minimal amount of deadheading with maybe the exception of the Downtown BxM18s, but still he continues to go on and on about it not costing that much to extend BxM18s to Getty Square even though it would force complete shuffling of runs which could indeed increase costs for no purpose since I don't see anyone using the BxM18 up in South Yonkers. It is a total waste to extend that bus to South Yonkers for the hope of attracting a "few riders" that aren't even in NYC for Christ Sake when the BxM3 doesn't see that much usage AND the BxM4C was cut from Downtown. If a run is getting such good usage then you find a way to keep it running. You don't cut the line and then say oh use the BxM18 because even if it were extended, how far are you going to extend it because Bee Line cut back the route?? I mean that isn't the
's problem or responsibility. The BxM18 wouldn't run the full route of the BxM4C, so folks would still be forced to transfer anyway.And like you said the route already gets decent usage and saw an increase in ridership last year but now suddenly it is suffering so much that it needs to be extended to Getty Square...
Bee Line had budget cuts and cut some portions of the routes that had other alternatives. BxM4C to downtown had the BxM18 as an alternative.
This logic of, since buses originate in yonkers (YON) & it ending at the county line, may as well extend it there (Getty Sq) to decrease what I like to call "empty mileage", is the same logic the MTA used to have B64's end right in front of UP..... Don't agree with it all, at all.... Leave BxM18's where they are..... I'm not even arguing that the 18 is for Riverdalians right now (although it is certainly a valid argument)....
That logic was applied to the
running to/from Brooklyn extending the first three and last three runs because the yard is there.A few buses may run their extended routes a bit longer to get back to the depot in service (Bx5 to Pelham Bay on Saturday nights is an example at 10:45pm and formerly 11:25pm before service was cut back).
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The few amount of people getting on there is the reason for the cut backs of the BxM1s to begin with, so no, there is no need to service Inwood.
What does Westchester's service have to do with NYC's service???? Bee Line cut the BxM4C Downtown so now suddenly the city is supposed to subsidize Westchester's bus service and have NYC taxpayers paying for it??? That's ridiculous. While we're at it why don't we just have all of our bus routes go up to Westchester and subsidize their transportation or better yet you can pay for the cost yourself since you're so concerned with Westchester's transportation.
What is this thread called again???Westchester does have some open door routes serving the Bronx. W45 stops at Pelham Bit Stables and Bartow Pell Mansion, while W60/W61/W62 are open door on Boston Road. W54 has two stops on the Bronx side of Mundy Lane.
MTA did at one time (2007-2008) propose to send the Bx7 to Ludlow MNRR station
Also since the BxM4C has been cut downtown the BxM18 has been picking up the slack below 23 St. I think Bee Line at one time even told BxM4C passengers to transfer to the BxM18 for service below 23 St.
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No, no, no... The BxM3 is good enough. Let the folks in Westchester provide service if they want it so badly. Those buses belong along city lines and should be for us in Riverdale.
As Daniel Bryan would say, YES, YES, YES!
Via can be a spokesman for Riverdale & look at matters as it pertains to his particular neighborhood, but either way, I'm not getting why the Bxm3 AND the BxM18 should run to Getty Square.... The BxM3 barely gets riders w/i yonkers as it is.... Now we're gonna send another in-service express route there too? For what, just because the 3 crosses county line, so the 18 should too? In that case, let's extend the BxM1 & the BxM2 to Getty square.....
Well elongating these lines may just make the
consider cutting service. If you look at the current lines, the BxM1 and BxM2 are about an hour or so and are easy to turn around and come back to Riverdale. Sending these buses to Getty Square would increase the costs of these routes and certainly would do that for the BxM18 which already is long enough as it is.BxM18 is a one way line, sending that to Yonkers is the equivalent of sending runoffs and putins of the BxM1 and BxM2 to/from Getty Square (like the
to 238 St). The BxM18 will run and share some stops with the W8 so it will be in a different area. BxM18 travels a lot further downtown than Metro North or the BxM3 so it may be attractive to some other riders. BxM18 costs wouldn't really increase by much (if any) since they already are going to Yonkers Depot. In the end it is a zero cost due to the reimbursement so it isn't a big issue either way.Similar to why some express buses run in service in the reverse peak direction (instead of deadhead), running the BxM18 in service in Yonkers is similar.
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BxM18 - Should be extended to Getty Square Yonkers via Riverdale Avenue. Just like the BxM3 runs through Broadway past the border, the BxM18 will run through Riverdale Avenue through the border. May get a few extra riders keeping those deadheads in service.
Bx5 - White Plains Road service runs overnight at 40 minute headways.
Bx5A - new bus running completely on Bruckner Boulevard, restores some service lost in 1999 on part of Bruckner (between White Plains Road and Castle Hill Avenue), gives other areas of Bruckner Boulevard bus service for the first time (or the first time in many years if Bruckner ever had a bus service between Bronx River Avenue and White Plains Road).
Bx36 - Cut back to Grant 174th Street, replaced by Bx36 LTD in Manhattan rush hours and middays, normal other times.
Bx36 LTD - Service expanded to middays, rush hours, and early evenings. Replaces Bx36 in Washington Heights.
Bx39 - Late night service north of Gun Hill Road replaced by Bx41, new late night service begins south of Pelham Parkway running 50 minute headways.
Bx41 - Late night service extended to 241 St
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Riverdale residents wanted to keep the M100 because it had a Manhattan designation according to this poster
http://talk.nycsubwa...?subtalk=317073
http://talk.nycsubwa...d?bustalk=39126
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Well that's downstairs Riverdale which isn't nearly as nice or affluent as upstairs Riverdale. When I refer to Riverdale as nice, I am always referring to "upstairs Riverdale", which is no where near the
train. Anyone who lives in Riverdale knows this and that's why I didn't mention the BxM3 or Bx9, which is no where near me. Anytime anyone says that they live in Riverdale, I immediately ask where or if they live upstairs (as in the hills) or downstairs (as in along Broadway). There is nothing desirable about that part of "Riverdale". It just looks like an extension of Kingsbridge with Van Cortlandt Park across the street.You still have the Bx7 coming from Washington Heights, unless you want to cut that back to 231 St as well? Even the Bx20 comes from Inwood.
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shuttle is replacing the 
between E 180 St and 241 St, instead of the 
to Flatbush GO in January at every single Nostrand Ave stop.......and of course police didn't respond until Franklin, and they got off at President to abuse the next train.
(Maybe run it every 6-7 minutes instead of every 8)
(Manhattan) each have the same amount of midday service.
would only be interested in extending routes like these if it meant that there was a substantial amount of ridership that could be gained and South Yonkers is not the place where that would be happening and you know it, so I don't understand why you're even proposing this. Also all three routes #1 are doing just fine and #2, most of the ridership in Riverdale comes from the area around 236th & Riverdale Avenue or Henry Hudson Parkway and down to Kappock, so they're already running them to 263rd street with a few folks on them. You yourself said that the BxM3 doesn't see much ridership up there and then you keep talking about "attracting ridership"... Your proposal makes no sense... If folks aren't using the current express bus, what exactly would make them suddenly say oh my let me start using these express buses because they run down Riverdale Avenue... You haven't offered one good reason to extend these routes because if they're extended and no one is using them then they might as well deadhead to the depot.
running to/from Brooklyn extending the first three and last three runs because the yard is there.
train. Anyone who lives in Riverdale knows this and that's why I didn't mention the BxM3 or Bx9, which is no where near me. Anytime anyone says that they live in Riverdale, I immediately ask where or if they live upstairs (as in the hills) or downstairs (as in along Broadway). There is nothing desirable about that part of "Riverdale". It just looks like an extension of Kingsbridge with Van Cortlandt Park across the street.
Bronx Division Bus Proposals/Ideas
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The BxM4 proposal was after the recession.
Extending the Bx10 to Ludlow or Getty Square would be better than the Bx7 (which wouldn't even have a Bronx terminal if it were extended). Bx7 is too frequent for Yonkers right now, the Bx10 would be a better test since it is less frequent, plus it would give Yonkers a 24/7 bus.
BxM4 extension wouldn't have been that long, only up to Yonkers Raceway, although I would make a new BxM5 from Yonkers Raceway and have that run straight down to Bainbridge & 205
train, or on the Grand Concourse until Fordham Road, then non stop express to Manhattan. The BxM4 can stay the same for now. The BxM5 would also get people from Manhattan to Yonkers Raceway so this route would have potential for ridership in both directions. Yonkers Raceway would also be accessible on Thanksgiving and Christmas.