GreatOne2k

Some trains already run N/B express during the AM to 57 St

Speaking of R46's if the SIR gets some R46's where are they going to come from? IMO a line has to be cut or changed in order for the SIR to have R46's. The the and run R46's and the line comes to mind is the Rockaway Park. If the gets eliminated for now they can take those R46's. I don't know where the other R46's would come from.

Getting rid of the (except late night) means splitting the up into 3 branches all day. Lefferts NIMBYs would put up with reduced service in order to keep their express though. Howard Beach [JFK] and the Casino however would get increased service.

BxM4 is closer (and more direct) to Yonkers Raceway than BxM11 and service on the BxM4 will not need to be split up, or take longer detours from its regular route (not deadhead) like the BxM11 would. Get that through your head. If according to you "sending any Bxm bus to anywhere in westchester county is moronic as people won't use em to go there" than you have just admitted that your BxM11 to Yonkers proposal is moronic (which it really is). Even bringing back the BxM4 super express (if needed) would be better than the BxM11 going to Woodlawn/Yonkers. Why send only SOME BxM11 buses to Yonkers when you can send ALL of the BxM4 buses (which have much more room for extra riders). The BxM11 also serves the Bronx Zoo so it already has a reason for some people to use it reverse peak, the BxM4 currently has little to no reason for tourists/visitors to use the line reverse peak (unless some people use it to/from Yankee Stadium).

nobody would take it to mount vernon dude barely anybody use it past 233rd as it is. No matter how you look at it sending any Bxm bus to anywhere in westchester county is moronic as people won't use em to go there it is just too impractical and slow too many stops and the fact they focus on BRONX to manhattan patrons westchester residents can't be bothered with that. Bxm4 is a   get that through your head. Bxm11 can do it with select runs and it would be much faster than the bxm4 as if rerouted to katonah it can use mclean for yonkers raceway bxm4 is bogged down with the concourse too slow and indirect just more milage.

Bxm3 only goes to yonkers to shorten it's DH and that's it it barely carries anyone in yonkers.

 

BXM11 to mt vernon you can't be serious that is a very bad joke most going to mt vernon will ALWAYS USE MNRR no matter what. If bxm11 is weak in wakefield what makes you think mt vernon would do better here is the kicker those who want mt vernon can just use W42 from 233rd done. That is wasted milage on the bxm11. yonkers raceway to woodlawn would cut down on bxm11's DH and serve the core ridership quicker due to more direct travel path

LOL as if folks would go for that. last I checked W7 links to MNRR but then you can send the Bxm11 to yonkers raceway via woodlawn on select trips as the BXM11 as it is way faster than the Bxm4.

 

BxM11 doesn't need to go to Yonkers Raceway. If that route had any extension it would start at Downtown Mount Vernon and run on W 1st Street into the Bronx and run straight on White Plains Road Northbound.

If the 4C ever gets eliminated, revive the BxM4 extension plan to Yonkers Raceway

is running to Bowling Green overnight all weekend. , , and should be less crowded especially on Friday and Saturday night.

 

This is more or less what I'd do, with the exception of route nomenclature (25, 38) & having the allerton peak dir. buses serve Asch & section 5, instead of just section 5..... So basically, you'd revert service back to the pre-june 2010 state - With the addition of the bx38 (which would do what today's 28 does in co-op)....

 

 

In this plan, the Bx25 will still serve Asch Loop (section 4) just like before. The Bx25 and Bx38 designations make it easier to distinguish between buses especially during the PM rush (since they will all have the same terminal).

Bx30 doesn't need to be changed

Another proposal

Rush hours

Bx25 4-5 (peak direction)

Bx26 1-2-3-4-5

Bx28 1-2-3-4-5

Bx38 5 (Bay Plaza segment eliminated)

Middays, Evenings, and Weekends

Bx26 1-2-3-4-5

Bx28 1-2-3-4-5

MTA should just do this

Split the Bx26 up during middays and rush hours and make a new Bx25

Middays and Rush Hours

Bx25 terminates at Bay Plaza (Allerton version of Bx38) Sections 1-2-3-4

Bx26 same (another option is to have Bx26 buses skipping Asch Loop and go straight on Bartow like the Bx28 since the Bx25 will be starting from Bay Plaza)

Bx28 same

Bx38 same

Buses arriving 5 minutes before dismissal could mean that empty buses will wait until the school kids get outside (like the Bx26 and Bx31 at Allerton and Lodovick would park outside the school and wait for a certain time)

If the Bx26 were more frequent MTA could do this every day from around 6am-8pm (as long as headways on the Bx25/26 don't drop below a combined 15 minute headway).

Bx25 1-2-3-4 Bay Plaza

Bx26 Section 4-5 (Asch Loop)

Bx28 Section 5

Bx38 1-2-3-4 Bay Plaza

Anyone think that the remaining trains should have run via 7 Av express to/from South Ferry or Chambers Street to help the when FASTRACK was in effect? At that time the (2)/(3)/(5) can fit on the 7 Av express tracks.

Looks like MTA has changed the way the runs during GOs where it is extended overnight (unless SubwayTime is wrong). MTA no longer extends all trains below E 180 St that happen before and after the GO. The Dyre Avenue shuttle runs for a bit before the GO extending service begins. Same thing in the early morning after the GO ends, some trains run as Dyre Avenue shuttles instead of MTA trying to maintain a 20-23 minute headway between E 180 St and Bowling Green.  How much money is being saved by stopping service for 40-60 minutes (two different times) and restarting it again instead of running it the whole night like before?

Wasn't that the (MTA)'s plan?

Specifically the Bx7 was to be extended to Ludlow, not the Bx10

Bx5 on Zerega instead of Castle Hill allows it to stop there in both directions which it can't currently do now S/B (also allows for a S/B transfer to the Bx31 if it ever were extended on Zerega).

Bx31 on Zerega and Commerce does give industrial areas new bus service and reduces walking distance for some workers (who don't drive).

MTA could just make the Bx9 all LTD on  E 180 St, Southern Blvd, E Fordham Rd, and E Kingsbridge Road and local after Jerome Ave

Local stops until

E 180 St & Boston Road

E 180 St & Crotona Parkway

Southern Blvd & E Fordham Road

E Fordham Road & 3 Av

E Kingsbridge Road & E 192 St*

E Kingsbridge Road & Grand Concourse

Then all local stops

*LTD stop only if S/B Bx22 (at least the Bedford Park buses) isn't rerouted from Valentine to Kingsbridge.

Never mind

Well those N/B trains need to come from SOMEWHERE.....

Shouldn't those trains have been underground instead of the yard due to a snowstorm? One would think the underground trains would go in service N/B at 149 St (consistent service pattern) until the Bowling Green trains got to the Bronx.

The didn't even maintain consistent service N/B from 149 St to E 180 St. When S/B trains started going to Bowling Green, N/B service was only between E 180 St and Dyre Av until the Bowling Green trains came back to the Bronx.

It's BxM4C, and this is the way I understand why it's BxM4C:

 

Liberty Lines Transit still runs the Bee-Line, and ran for the NYCDOT as Liberty Lines Express. It not only ran the BxM1, BxM2, BxM3, BxM11, and BxM18, but it also ran the BxM4A and the BxM4B. In all, LL ran the three BxM4 buses. 

 

In summary, LLT ran the BxM4C for Westchester, and LLE ran the BxM4A and BxM4C for NYCDOT.

There was also a BxM4D as well

If the Bx40/Bx42 get another rush hour service increase (after the planned April increase), there would be enough service to make the Bx42 a rush hour LTD (since it serves the Throgs Neck Houses). Bus lanes would be recommended on Tremont Av (177 St) between Webster Av & Boston Rd between 7-10am and 4-7pm.

Which is outright wrong Bx30 should be way more frequent I don't know why beeline is allowed to get away with that shit it steals money from the MTA. It MTA did something similar in westchester they'd be pissed.

 Not really, according to this Bee Line liked a Bx34 extension to Mt Vernon, they would have been able to get rid of the W54.

http://talk.nycsubway.org/perl/read?bustalk=47532

Also Bx30 doesn't go to Fordham, W60, W61, and W62 offer a one seat ride to Fordham

So you're justifying keeping a route because it's faster than the alternative.  That would be great argument if people actually rode that bus.

 

The X29 and X90, two rush hour only buses that were faster than their alternative subway lines, had better weekday ridership levels than the BxM4 yet they got cut. 

X90 was more costly to the MTA to run than the BxM4. MTA Bus gets 100% reimbursement for any losses.

No you can extend SELECT Bx7 trips to getty sq done.  How about you cut the waste and keep BXM5 OFF the concourse. If you make a BXM5 then let it replace the 4C and go via woodlawn then super express via bronx river at gun hill to bruckner not that many would use it though. As checkmate13 said it has the highest cost per passenger of all express buses and the lowest ridership of the full-time expresses it's a dead horse stop beating it and put it out of it's misery trust me it will not be missed anyway. Ridership again is dismal I have saw many BXM4s and never have I saw a full one not even at rush hour. It's useless the numbers and cost per passenger don't lie it needs to go there is no way to make it useful people are just not interested in this line. To be honest I looked into the BXM4 sorry it's hopeless there is nothing you can do to significantly boost it's ridership the best thing you can do is reroute another nearby express bus to go through woodlawn for GC the demand err what demand air molecules do not count.

Bingo!!! Finally this argument is over thanks for sealing the deal. Off-topic the super bowl distracted me sorry for being late

BxM5 won't go any higher than Yonkers Avenue, anything past that is a Westchester County problem.

One idea for the BxM5 is to have it stop at Yonkers Avenue, Central Park Avenue & McLean Avenue, another stop somewhere on McLean Avenue, the Woodlawn Heights stops, then via the old BxM4 super express route straight to Manhattan, while the BxM4 starts at Woodlawn running normally down the Grand Concourse.

Every other bus will alternate between BxM4 (Woodlawn), BxM5 (Yonkers Raceway super express via Woodlawn Heights).

So it is either W8 to 231 St, or Bx7, Bx10, or Bx20* to Getty Square (MTA however wanted to stop at Ludlow MNR for some reason).

*Bx20 extension is longer than the other two routes, but the Bx20 only runs rush hours only.

OK, how about we split the BxM4 into one that makes stops along Grand Concourse and ends somewhere short of Woodlawn and another route that goes express till Bedford Park area or something, then Woodlawn, and then to Yonkers Raceway. Call one BxM4, the other BxM14.

The Yonkers Raceway bus (BxM5) could skip Woodlawn and just have the people transfer from the Bx34 & Jerome & Bainbridge. If any version of the BxM4 doesn't stop at Woodlawn or Yonkers Raceway, then it will have even lower ridership (ex: BxM4A).