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3 hours ago, Novabus 5000 said:

 

They have had these for a while. None of these came "back". 

A few of them were on loan to Ulmer. I have pics of their arrival. They had one from EN and one from FB as well. Not sure which was the transport bus. I actually thought they would be stored after but they never left the rosters of their respective depot except 5188, which was briefly assigned to UP.

56 minutes ago, UTC Bus Roster said:

Somebody had posted a few days ago that 5192 (ECH) was retired. I still see it in ECH. Is it retired or is it still running at ECH?

It's still on the roster but its status is Out Of Service.

10 minutes ago, JeremiahC99 said:

I hope you don't mind me asking this, but this New Flyer service center in JFK Airport: isn't it at Building 141 (at 130th Place and Bergen Road), where Northeastern Bus Rebuilders JFK facilityis located at, and every new bus has to stop there before going to the assigned depots?

Yes, that is the location and please note that it is a restricted area. This is the New Flyer Service center for MTA, so and NFI, or Orion buses going to and from the vendors will make a stop through there. The JFK lot which is near is where all new buses arrive, and all buses going to an out of city to the vendor are picked up.

3 minutes ago, LegoBrickBreaker101 said:

Zerega is for the Novas and Prevosts, the JFK facility is for the New Flyers and Orions.

No, Zerega is a base shop for ALL buses. Not a service center. The Nova/Prevost service center is in Jersey. Thats where those buses go in and out of. 

Proterra does not have a service center as these buses are test vehicles and they do not have a contract with MTA beyond just that.. They go to and from Proterra directly.

Registration used to be done at Zerega for all buses, and to a certain extent still is. However after the delivery of the BTE 90 test fleets things changed. Buses can now arrive and go straight to a depot. Tep tags are placed on the bus and after Zerega completes registration, plates are sent directly to the depots. 

7484 and 7485 pending to JA. 

There were a few moves as well. Please reference the roster as it has been updated. I will check and see if there have been any other moves for the day as well.

http://www.ttmg.org/transitwiki/Insider's_Guide:_Metropolitan_Transportation_Authority_Bus_Operations_-_Depot_Summary

55 minutes ago, NewFlyerFan said:

Apologies if this question was already asked/answered but do we at all know when 7484 might possibly return back to MTA from NFI?

With pilot buses you can never be sure. They can come, and go depending on spec changes or anything else TA may require as part of validation testing and audit. 

In the case of 7484 however, as of a few minutes ago it arrived at the NFI JFK service center and will be transferred back to JA along with 7485 in short order.  

Grand Avenue now has and RTS fleet of 4946, 4983, 4997, 5178, 5188, 5189, 5207, 5208.

This is why I cautioned everybody about the fleet. Many of these buses are not retiring yet, so be careful when posting RTS’s being moved to scrap. 

22 hours ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

Im somewhat confused. Since the MTA is going to be 100% Electric now, I'm guessing the CNG fleet is affected as well. After the C40LFs retire, no more CNG buses?

What exactly are you confused about? 100% electric by 2040 is the plan. Theoretically they can still make one more CNG order for 2024 delivery and then replace all those by 2040.

17 hours ago, Brillant93 said:

I recalled from an article late last year when we first got the electric buses they were looking into cng buses for clean air tech buses. We can’t be sure right now but the MTA are looking to be one of the cleanest bus fleet. Along with other cities. I wouldn’t write CNG out. 

They were talking about CNG artics, which we are currently taking delivery of. There will not be another need for CNG buses until 2024 unless MTA opts for more artics. Im not writing them off but of another order isn't place by 2023, then we won't be getting any. 100% electric means just that.

14 hours ago, JeremiahC99 said:

Blame Cuomo for the funding problem. According to some sources, he has diverted millions of dollars from the MTA's budget and the result is a transit system in a state of emergency. I like how you said that MTA NYCT can fund Bus Company projects and co-fund joint ventures, but is there a clause saying that Bus Company can lease NYCT buses if they need to, like how they leased 48 buses from NYCT's Tuskegee Airmen Depot and Grand Avenue Depots for accelerated implementation of the Q52 and Q53 SBS.

For the  shuttle, are you referring to the LFS 40 foot buses or the LFSA Artic buses, because when I checked the front page, it said 36 LFSA buses are for the  shuttle?

 

I'll be surprised if they schedule the route so that every 2 or 3 buses that shows up, there will be an artic bus. If so, ring my doorbell at 6:30 AM. I hope to find one at that time.

It's not Cuomo's fault for a decades old problem. He's shuffled more money to MTA than has been done in the past so we can't really complain about that. There are a few things i think he could do better, but he's not doing that bad of a job.

9 hours ago, BreeddekalbL said:

I have a question regarding the proterras, when they run on a route not near a charging station (off the b32 or the b60) how do they get recharged

The Proterra en-route chargers have been decommissioned because they aren't needed, and frankly were a waste of money. The range on the Proterra is excellent to the point where only the depot chargers are needed. As of now the Proterras can run on any line out of Grand Av. Yesterday they ran on the B24, B32, B38, and Q59. 

3 hours ago, IAlam said:

With the whole non-diesel bus orders, I wonder why the MTA still isn't looking into Nova, they're CNG buses are great and have already been out for a couple of years. Same for the HEV, it's been out longer but they still haven't even gotten a demo for these buses. The fact that they've gotten every fuel type for the Xcelsior and still are only at diesel for the Nova's concerns me for the long run. The Last thing the MTA needs is an exclusive fleet from one brand. 

We had a discussion about this during the last CNG procurement. MTA's final evaluation concluded that Nova did not have enough technical experience in building CNG buses as they only had 2 in service at the time. In addition, the LFS didn't exactly fit into the new maintenance logistics either. Less training is required because the buses are operationally and mechanically similar to the C40LF as we have the only 3rd gen C40's ever made. This would also mean that Brooklyn would have to stock LFS parts, and Gleason would have too many parts to stock and different maintenance protocols with the incoming XN60's. The price point was a bit too high, and the delivery schedule wasn't attractive to the MTA for them to be considered as well. Same with the hybrid, and the Nova LFS Electric.

And we haven't got every fuel type for the Xcelsior. There is still XHE40 and XHE60 models which New Flyer would love for MTA to further evaluate.

3 hours ago, LTA1992 said:

And people called me crazy and said it isn't possible. Also, I've read that Proterra was leading the charge (lol) towards universal charging stations.

Proterra is looking into lots of innovations as more and more agencies begin to evaluate and purchase electric vehicles.

40 minutes ago, Brillant93 said:

Looking at the first page the M14 sbs is supposed to get the alternative fueled artics but it says it won’t arrive until 2020-2021 delivery. The press release docs says the M14 sbs will be temporary and the L train shutdown will be done or should be by 2020. So why are the setting aside buses for the M14 if it’s just temporary? 

The same reason they are setting aside 200 buses for the temporary L shuttle. The M14+ is nothing more than a 14th Street L train shuttle.

The original delivery called for 2020 with all in service by 2021. I already mentioned all Artic orders are being accelerated. The soonest they would go into production is next spring/summer. So theoretically they could be here in time on a revised schedule. The schedule is still as posted because that’s the official schedule as of now because the buses have not been ordered. Delivery will likely change to late 2019. 

The shutdown is scheduled to last 15 months. That’s spring pick 2019 through summer pick 2020. So if MTA schedules an award in the next 60 days as planned we should be ok. Seeing as how we like to reject everything we get. We can only wait and see what happenes.

10 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

Who's next for XD40 deliveries after ENY and FB, or is that unknown at this time?

Jamaica is pending. The original delivery scheduled called for them to have 3 by the end of July.

On 7/23/2018 at 11:57 AM, Jdog14 said:

 

You forgot JFK

And Far Rock for the rotation as @Cait Sith mentioned. The do however house all 3 models nightly now. They are gearing back up to full ops. All buses are technically still assigned to JK, however there are more than 70 Hybrids including 6535 parked at the depot tonight. 6501 should be pulling in to FR tonight as well after its Q22 run. They could be anywhere tomorrow. 

On 7/23/2018 at 12:22 PM, BreeddekalbL said:

I saw someone post that they implemented TSP on the true or no?

Yes, it will be fully installed by the end of the year.

On 7/23/2018 at 10:04 PM, Calvin said:

- Doesn't Far Rockaway store the local hybrids from JFK as well?

- Also, there's at least 4 standard XN-40s that's still on the Bx6-SBS.

1 XN40 left now. 734.

1 hour ago, limitednyc said:

what company is producing rthe 15 alt atrtics

I know, but it's not confirmed so we will get into that after the summer break. 

1 hour ago, JeremiahC99 said:

Sorry if I'm not making any sense.

 

Also, I will be sad at losing the "Largest Hybrid Fleet" distinction, but there are plans for the MTA to have "nations largest electric fleet"in the future? If so, I like that. In fact, they should've done this a long time ago before Los Angeles and everyone else started buying electric buses. For too long, New York was behind the times, while everyone else moved forward with innovations like electric buses. Time for New York to lead the way in public transportation like it should.

 

I can see why they took in 7483, but I was not expecting them to go to Flatbush. What influenced them to send that bus there?

We don't know, especially since we never had a hybrid arctic bus before, and surprisingly enough, OF is getting 51 DIESEL buses (looks like those diesel haters in Harlem are not objecting to that). But then again, New Flyer is the only qualified manufacturer for alternative fuel articulated buses for the MTA (take a look at their XN60s in the Bronx), so it could go to them. Either way, they need to make haste on these  train buses already, especially since the shutdown starts in 8.5 months from now. They don't have a lot of time here.

Many don't take into account that NY also has the largest fleet in the nation. True we are quite behind in times, however funding has always been a main issue. The governor historically has not provided enough funding for the system as a whole. The integration of the private bus lines into MTA was also a process that would inevitably slow things down further.

The City of New York provides funding for Bus Company Division, whereas the State of New York provides funding for NYC Transit. After the 2 merged operations, NYCT was able to start funding Bus company projects and co-fund joint ventures as well. Now that Cuomo has gotten involved he's forcing things to move forward like the purchase of hybrid, and all electric buses. I think the City of New York needs to become more involved in the funding and operations of MTA Subways and Buses.

It's either 51 diesel buses or no buses at all for Harlem. There isn't an issue. These are the only artics we have for now, they are of new EPA standards. When we do finally get some they will be going to Quill anyway. I expect a follow up order in 2022. We are most likely done buying diesel buses for a while after the express, and bus company orders.

There will also be LFS buses used for the  shuttle. 

32 minutes ago, Brillant93 said:

Its quite odd the B46 sbs is only going to use artics during rush hour. I understand they might not have lay over space for them but wouldn't it be better to work them into schedule full time? (rhetorically saying and or asking). 

It doesn't say rush hour "only."

There are only enough buses for mixed standard/artic ops, but the buses will end up running all times. The focus is relief at rush periods.

12 minutes ago, JeremiahC99 said:

And since there will be 1416 hybrids by 2021, I'm guessing we'll have to kiss the distinction of having the "largest hybrid fleet in the United States" goodbye? If so, I'll be very disappointed about that. I feel like instead of getting 367 XD40s, they should've gotten 10 hybrids in the previous XD40 order which would be numbered 0001-0010, and tested them for a year. From there, instead of the 367 XD40s, we could've gotten 400 XDE40s (7484-7883 or 7483-7882, depending on if the order was placed before 7483 was delivered after that accident (see below) or after 7483 was delivered). The 400 bus number I came up with was for service expansions (B82 SBS,  train shuttle, etc.), but I think that would be too many buses they would take in.

 

By the way, why did the MTA accept 7483, the original 7120 before its accident in May 2015 en-route to New York, in December 2017? I'm very curious about that.

What you are saying doesn't make any sense. First off, yes we will lose the "Largest Hybrid Fleet" distinction only to have it replaced by the nations largest electric fleet.

The 10 hybrids are not test buses, so they shouldn't be numbered 00XX anything. MTA didn't want any hybrids for the time being so thats why they were not ordered on the base, and the option was modified to include hybrids. The 10 Electric buses are for testing. The hybrids are first run pilots, and configuration audit buses for the upcoming order of 275.

You save a few thousand pounds of fuel but you end up paying more for the overall cost and maintenance over the life of the buses. new clean-Diesel buses are almost as efficient and cost a lot less. MTA has decided to move toward electric buses which will not need any fossil fuels at all. Thus making the hybrids obsolete after this next order.

As far as 7483, they accepted it because the bus was repairable. Simple as that. No need to write off a bus under warranty.

On 7/23/2018 at 3:58 PM, JeremiahC99 said:

Again, thanks for the clarification. I am hoping for the hybrids to do really well under tough conditions, such as on high speed routes. The last thing i need to se are buses breaking down mid route on important streets like Utica Avenue due to going too fast.

 

Another question to ask, but maybe off topic: MTA as a whole has over 1600 hybrids (exactly 1675 hybrids, though some have been prematurely retired). This makes it the largest fleet of hybrids in the United States. Since the 2003 hybrids will be retired, 125 hybrids will have to subtracted from the 1675 hybrid number, leaving 1550 hybrid buses still in service. Will the MTA lose that distinction of having the largest hybrid fleet in the US, or more hybrids be ordered to keep that distinction, which I really enjoy about the MTA fleet? 

Lets break it down like this. Actually the total amount of hybrid buses was 1,676. 3 OG's and 1 NG were scrapped. Dropping the total to 1,672. We now have 10 XDE40's. 2 are on the property, 2 are in Jersey at Atlantic-Detroit Diesel, and the rest are at NFI. This bumps us up to 1,682.

By 2021 we will have taken delivery of 275 more hybrids, and retired 541 older ones for a grand total of 1,416.

However, that brings up another topic because once the preliminary evaluation on the electric and hybrid buses are complete, there will likely be a follow up option order for hybrids. Shortly after that, MTA will then complete the transition into the electric bus range. 

We haven't got into this topic yet, but we will soon. Confirmed Department of Buses plans have actually shifted, and now call for the order of approximately 5,700 all-electric buses between 2019 and 2039. By the end of 2040, MTA will be an all-electric operation.   

On 7/23/2018 at 6:56 PM, limitednyc said:

yes 36 lfs 60's for the m14 sbs

       51 xd60's mch for m15 sbs

      57  xd60's to fla  for b44 sbs to replace the current 38 lfs  witch will be transfered to man or BX. and either the b46sbs or the b44 lcl  will transition.

23 hours ago, limitednyc said:

when the 88 xd40's and 36 xd60's  can be used in general service

No. Why didn't you check the first page of this thread??

36 LFSA's for the

51 XD60's for Hale (M15+)

57 XD60's for Flatbush (B44+, and B46+ Rush Hours)

UPDATE NOT YET POSTED: 15 alternative fuel artics for the Quill (M14+)

8 hours ago, FLX9304 said:

Is another bus like that coming back or JA is ready to accept their new batch

Yes JA is just about ready to begin delivery. This is what happens with almost every order when there are pilots involved. Nothing new. 7484-7487 could come at anytime, then go back to NFI at anytime until the order is complete.

On 7/23/2018 at 3:16 PM, MHV9218 said:

Something tells me the MTA should be careful and cover their bases with the scrapping of those buses that could work as no-farebox reserves for the L shuttle. People are gonna lose their minds once that shuttle starts, and we might see complaints that there aren't enough buses, etc. Anything of that vein is possible. If those artics are late, it's gonna be a mess, and it seems like a big gamble for the MTA to take, given the fact that new orders are often delayed for one reason or another. Those 1999s--best of them at least--could definitely last through 2019/2020, especially if they went through an overhaul program like the 1996s that are still on hand. The lifts killed the 1997s and the bulkheads killed a lot of the 1996s, but these 1998-1999 buses could be of use for a while. Gonna have to pry them out of Quill ops' hands, anyway. Maybe they should play it safe. 

I agree 100%. I believe they will keep a few on reserve no matter what's being said now. MTA would have loved to overhaul or rebuild them as they have before in the past, however Cuomo wants them all gone and replaced by low floors for accessibility reasons. Many of them are still being serviced regularly, and will definitely be in service through December 2019. Once 2020 and especially 2021 comes around there will be enough buses to retire them all. If you run the numbers against what we have on order now there will be a small surplus of buses. Then there will be 200 new buses to deploy elsewhere after the  tunnels are fixed.

7 hours ago, FLX9304 said:

I’m still in awe about this “L Shuttle” that they are horsing around these older buses with. Back last year, I read that they was gonna get the Orions from TTC but where did this order went? They don’t really need “breakdown” buses or older buses that has little to no life left in them, then they scrap them to salvage. If the L Shuttle is gonna last a year, any articulated buses in the 5600s & 5700s (the last ones built) should be saved for that particular route. 

Not sure exactly what you are talking about anymore. This fleet will have approximately 200 new buses for the shuttle and this discussion has changed several times. The order for 200 buses from TTC was a contingency because MTA did no think there would have enough new buses delivered by next summer to cover the shuttles. It was canceled due to protesting by environmental advocacy groups, and all of our new buses are on revised accelerated delivery schedules.

Any other buses on the shuttle will be used when needed. Out of 200 new buses, I don't see an issue if there is a old bus that pops up here and there. I will be starting an L shuttle thread as soon as more details come in.

It was definitely there. I’m looking at it right now on the internal roster from last week. @Cait Sith

8 hours ago, Novabus 5000 said:

5397 was never a JFK bus. 

These were loans, as all 3 buses are back to their respective depots. 

 

Actually 5397 was on loan to JK. 

CS drivers are already trained on the new XD60’s. It’s the same bus save a couple minor spec changes. @danielhg121

On 7/18/2018 at 10:28 PM, Novabus 5000 said:

Confirmed.

 

5082, 5109, 5124 also to scrap from UP. 

 

5001 from UP also to scrap. 

Note some of RTS’ being retired are going to storage for reserve and  Train.

EDIT: Just checked. All will be retired by the end of 2019/January 2020. We are accelerating both Artic options. 

1025, 1026 pending to WF

4950, 5044 FB to UP

5188 GA to UP

5397 JK to BP

7484 JA back to NFI 

7649 to FB

EDIT: Due to the acelleration of both Artic options, all RTS are scheduled to be retired by January 2020.

4918, 5064 FB to Scrap 

5082, 5086, 5088, 5098, 5124 retired out of UP

8933, 8994, and 9027 JK to EC pending Scrap.

2 hours ago, Q64 To Forest Hills said:

6543 is on loan to Baisley again

Intersting thing is these loans go back and forth. Last week 6545 was on a Baisley route. The next morning it was apparently on the Q37, and then later that day it was on the Q64

Side note is last night I got 3782, the hybrid that broke down in the Queens-Midtown tunnel on the QM4, that bus sounded terrible. It was making a noise similar to a fan belt screech. The hybrids have not been doing that well, and it doesn’t help that they’re being run constantly. They’re having the problem that west farms had where their buses keep breaking down and they can’t catch up in maintence. 

6543 and 6545 actually haven't left since they were reported. 

And 3782 on the QM4???????? Don't forget ALL the OG hybrids are over the 12 year service life limit. They are actually doing better than expected seeing as they are not optimized for the higher average speeds of Queens.

2 hours ago, Novabus 5000 said:

Not worth the expense when all of the Orion hybrids are to be done by 2024 latest. 

2 hours ago, JeremiahC99 said:

I was talking about the 280 hybrids over at MTA Bus. Don’t they have 4 years left in their lives?

And he said "all." In addition to the fact that its not worth the expense.

2 hours ago, Future ENY OP said:

If not mentioned yet: 7672 in ENY. Spotted working on Shuttle bus duty and the B82 yesterday.

You reported it a week ago when it arrived. lol

6543 was also sent to BP

0023 will be on the x31 this morning for those interested.

4 hours ago, FLX9304 said:

You sometimes cannot go with that unless if ENY sees it. Remember: the bus HAS to pass inspection, testing & endurance in order for the TA to officially sign into ordering that D45 CRT LEs. Don’t believe it until you know if it’s coming from those who has the knowledge 

Correct. That was a rumor. It is however a great chance MCI’s will be ordered. In addition, MTA would like to implement up to 37 Alexander-Dennis buses as well. We have to wait and see what the evaluation process leads us to. I would expect 257 D45 base order for Bus Company, possibly 12 for Transit, and 37 double deckers for a split base TA award. We will get into express evaluation soon as well.

1 hour ago, B22viaAtlanticAv said:

 I wasn't aware of that... all I did was comment on the fact that I saw the 1072 in SBS scheme and Before yesterday I thought 1000-1015 were the SBS scheme buses for the Bx6 SBS. But thanks for your clarification.

1000 has not be delivered yet. 

And for those who wanted to know, the West Farms XN40’s did NOT have an SBS painted base. They are painted standard blue, and the SBS is/was a wrap. The NEW LFSA’s have a base paint of SBS blue. 

Also please note that as mentioned before, Gleason will not be fully artic ready until December. In the meanwhile and construction and modifications continue we will have Gleason buses loaned to West Farms. Starting with 1020, and 1021. The pilot buses 1016-1020 are the pilot buses and will come sporadically as always. 

6501 was a transport bus to pick up 3704. Both back to JK

7678 to EN

1021, 1022, 1073, 1086, 1087 to WF (remember Gleason is not yet ready for artic ops)

0023 is now officially on the roster at CH.

12 hours ago, FLX9304 said:

5299?

Yep 

12 hours ago, King Transit said:

#5299 is the LFSA(MJQ) that's getting scrapped due to it's damage cause by a stolen truck in Manhattan around 2013.

It’s been on the roof at Quill for almost 5 years now with tarp over it. The damage actually isn’t all that bad. 

On 7/10/2018 at 1:05 PM, King Transit said:

With one 2015 XD40 as #7430(Casey Stengel) that has been crashed in the rear by a Dahlia Charter J4500CT while operating the Q20A a year ago , was it being repaired or scrapped ?

Scrapped and written off. However it will remain on property as it was involved in a fatal accident. Similar situation to the LFSA that has not returned to service in years and it's still on property. However, unlike the LFSA, the XD40 is reportedly beyond repair

26 minutes ago, King Transit said:

Of course it's not a unit to be scrapped, it's a recent demo bus as a test for those 45ft commuter buses in 2019-2020 😤. This MCI will have at least 3 more depots to be tested out of.

What he is saying is this is not the place for discussing active fleet buses. This thread is for retired and scrapped buses.