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  1. Simple answer is when the MTA ordered the R179s, they were planning to keep the at 480' for the foreseeable future. Just read this excerpt from the line review (which was released in 2015 after the R179 order was placed) As others have alluded to the R179s were at one point intended to provide some extra cars for the opening of the Second Avenue Subway. The MTA issued a Request for Proposals (RFP) for the R179s in 2010 with a base order of 290 cars, and an option of 50 cars. A second option of 80 cars was added with the intention of providing extra cars for the opening of the SAS. I can't find an exact breakdown but the order was intended to be a majority 5-car sets. So the might have been able to graduate to full-length trains. But by the time the contract was actually awarded to Kawasaki in March 2012, the order was shrunk to a 300 car base order with no options with 260 cars in 4-car sets and 40 in 5-car sets. So as ordered, the vast majority of the fleet was to be 4-car sets (making 32.5 8-car trains) with only four 10-car trains. If the R179 fleet was delivered as ordered, then the would have presumably used exclusively or almost exclusively 4-car R179 sets, at least in the short-term until the R211s was delivered, and the would have been almost entirely R46s and used at most four R179 sets. Of course, what actually happened is due to Bombardier completely sh*tting the bed with the order, the MTA negotiated an extra eighteen cars in the order, taking what would have been eighteen 4-car sets and turning them into 5-car sets, increasing the number of 10-car train sets from four as originally ordered to an ultimate total of thirteen (and likewise reducing the ultimate number of eight-car trains from 32.5 to 23.5). This allowed the to use almost a dozen R179 sets each day which freed up some R46s to use on the . So really, it was just the MTA making the most of a bad situation that the ended up with a mixed fleet. Additionally, do we actually have any indication from the MTA besides our own speculation that the agency wants to make the full length now? For all I now, the agency could be fine leaving the as mixed length for the next few decades - we know the agency was fine leaving the at 480 ft long last decade.
  2. Bulletin was posted on Reddit, so here it is: [images removed] - mod team
  3. As a reminder, we know 4060-4069 was taken out of passenger service at least once, on or around April 5th, due to what seemed to be because of door issues. Some Reddit users have claimed 4060-4069 was taken out of service again earlier today, including one who said they saw it sitting at Euclid this afternoon. Another user on that Subreddit's chat thread claimed that the train lost power this morning between 207th and Dyckman which is why it was taken OOS. No idea how accurate that is though.
  4. The draft East Side Access schedules show no service to/from Grand Central Madison between ~1:45 AM and 5:45 AM.
  5. To add on to what Around the Horn said, as of the last update to the MTA board committees back in June 2021, the 20 R211T cars (open gangway) are scheduled to arrive in June of this year, and the next set of 10 R211A cars (a.k.a. the beginning of the actual production order) is scheduled to arrive in September.
  6. The base order has 440 R211As, which is just enough to retire the ~350 or so R46s at Pitkin/207th, which squares with the goal of putting them on the for 8th Ave CBTC, on paper anyway.
  7. Looks to be related to this Somebody more in the know can confirm, but guessing the middle track at 149th on Jerome is being used to store equipment for the ADA accessibility work at the complex, so the is running on the local track in both directions, and to reduce potential merging delays between 138th and 149th a handful of trips are being sent via 7th Ave. Those rerouted trips seem to only be during the AM though.
  8. No. Even after the Queens Blvd West CBTC project wraps up, the current 2020-2024 capital program calls for CBTC installation on the Crosstown and 63rd St lines (as well as Astoria/60th St and the Queens Blvd Line from Kew Gardens to 179th St and Archer Ave). And we will presumably see funding for CBTC on the 6th Avenue and Broadway mainlines in a future capital program(s). Which makes the idea of major expansions in B-Division weekend service likely DOA for a decade or two. Even after those CBTC projects are done, the MTA can play the "we're broke" and "we can't run extra service because of regular maintenance" cards. Might be the cynic in me but I'm a little skeptical that we'll ever even see the current garbage 12-minute weekend headways on half of the B-division reverted.
  9. As per the MTA data feeds for this week, the and (in Manhattan) are all scheduled to end early this week (except Friday), presumably due to the 6th Ave Fastrack: - Lost 4 round trips, Last train from 145th scheduled to depart 8:35 PM (normally 9:15 PM); Last train from Brighton Beach 8:14 PM (normally 8:54 PM) - Lost 2 round trips, Last train from Forest Hills 8:06 PM (normally 8:27); Last train from Metropolitan to Manhattan 8:14 PM (normally 8:38). Service between Delancey-Essex and Myrtle also ending 2 hours early which is also attributed to Fastrack. - Lost 9(!) round trips, Last train from Ditmars 7:48 PM (normally 9:26 PM); Last train from Whitehall 8:38 PM (normally 10:14) So the was already ending a little early, and perhaps they just attributed it to/it just got mixed in with the big FUBAR on Broadway yesterday. I stayed in Queens yesterday, but I did see one Jamaica-bound signed up as via Crosstown, so I'm assuming 6th Ave was a real Clusterf. No clue why the is ending so much earlier than normal. though. Hope this isn't the start of even more G.O. creep.
  10. A bit bland that the B-cars don't have any color to them, especially compared to the M-8s shown in the same video! One of the many renderings did show a blue horizontal stripe on the bottom with diagonal yellow stripe, but it looks like it was only on the A-cars and was replaced by the diagonal stripes. The wraps on the R160s come off as tacky to me (I think because they were added later on, compared to being an "intrinsic" part of the design like with the M9s and R211s, at least once the designs were finalized/hijacked by Cuomo) but I do at least like that on them the blue continues on the side of the A-cars onto the B-cars (though I don't love the blue wrap being on the top half). Ideal for me would've been the horizontal blue stripe on the bottom half of all the cars with the thin yellow stripe above that.
  11. Makes sense indeed but I have a feeling we're still going to see posts about how the base order could/should go to Jamaica or Coney Island, or how the R160s should be moved here or there, etc. The MTA and Kawasaki would have to renegotiate the order contract to do that, possibly costing the MTA more money, though at least it would hypothetically be easier/cheaper to do now compared to later on since Kawasaki is still working on the test sets and hasn't moved on to the production sets yet. Regardless, what would this accomplish? What does "budget" mean in this context? Are you referring to the capital budgets or annual operating budgets? How would this save money, since the same number of R211 cars would make up the base order and the subway and SIR would be using the same number of cars to make service? (and again, putting aside that renegotiating the contract might just increase the price). How long would those R46s be expected to stay on Staten Island? Until the option orders, if they're ordered? It's not like they can stick around forever. Sounds like this would just rob Peter to pay Paul.
  12. Don't worry, even if Uncle Joe and Congress actually do provide some Fedbux soon to fund phase 2, it wouldn't open until the end of this decade at the absolute earliest - more likely into the next decade. If the R46s are still around by then, the MTA will have much bigger problems to deal with.
  13. Indirectly, yes. In the Oct 2019 board and committee meetings the MTA board approved awarding a contract to Thales to install CBTC equipment onboard the R211s. The contract stated that the 2nd R211 option order of 437 cars would be in 89 4-car and 5-car sets. That works out to 405 cars in sets of 5 (81 sets, 40.5 full trains) and 32 cars in sets of 4 (8 sets, 4 full trains).
  14. Good 'ol former NYS Deputy Police Superintendent and Nassau County Assistant Police Commissioner David "Why should I ride and inconvenience myself when I can ride in a car?” Mack.
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