Tranzitfan81

Wow I forgot about 8021 and 8271, yes there is a huge bus shortage then down here in SJ. Hopefully some of those 16000 demos or a few new 21000s make it to NJ and help out both Egg Harbor Twp and Turnersville. I know they just retired 7515, I saw 7516 on the 42 freeway this week while I was driving back from Deptford but I am sure its days are numbered as well.

I have been back in NJ for almost a week now. I haven't seen 5283 or 5284 on any Washington Twp bus route. Newton Avenue ( Camden) has been loaning them an NABI almost everyday for the 400 and 403. Also curious why Camden bus 19145 is down the Shore @ Egg Harbor Twp. They usually have the abundance of MCIs. Camden and Turnersville have borrowed from them several times this year ( especially Turnersville). I know 18080 and 18105 were at Newton Avenue for a while ( presumably for maintenance) but I have noticed they're back down the Shore now and in service.

7526 is retired from Washington Twp...They are down to 3 oldies now 7512, 7515 and 7516. Noticed 19145 running in Atlantic County on Routes 553 and 559, this is a Camden bus, not sure yet if it is a loan or transfer. A couple of EHT buses were up the Expressway at the Camden garage recently (18080 and 18105).

Noticed a couple of 16Ks tracking in Minnesota (16097-98) didn't know there were some missing buses. Any idea if they're making the trip Eastbound and to what garages??

Send 5920-5923 down the Turnpike to Camden to fill in the gap. Newton Avenue already has 5907-5918 and 5924-35. Newton Avenue can then send 5368-5371 down the Pike to Turnersville ( Washington Twp) so they can stop using those new MCIs on the 400 and 403.

South Jersey bus shortage/swap now effecting both Washington Twp and Newton Avenue: Unusual sight on Mybus now: 5326 on the 409- Usually Turnersville garage doesn't help Camden garage with NABIS especially on an MCI route. All week the 409 has had a Camden NABI in the evening (5900 or 6000) Not unusual but still ironic (this evening especially) 19138 on the 406- Ironic because 5326 could have just done that 406 run this evening. Turnersville ( Washington Twp) uses NABIs on their MCI routes often. The 406 and the 412 are usually the first victims for NABIs when there's no MCI available. I wonder when 18044 and 19137 will be completed with repairs. I guess they will continue to struggle until the new Electric buses come sometime next year.

Great idea......I was wondering where that has been.

Yes it doesn't seem to be getting any better from what I've noticed plus adding 3 New buses are still down due to collisions 18018 and 18044 Turnersville and 19137 from Camden. I have noticed that the North Jersey Transplant 7645 is still around too, it was on the 414 and 317 last week in the evening. It will ease up a little bit at the end of the summer once the 316 stops for the season.

I agree with you with the MCI lines becoming Exact Fare routes. The 400 and 403 are very busy lines and the NABIs don't have as many seats, it was nice to see them on there frequently before those lines became Exact Fare back in 2010. NJ Transit is the only agency I know that still utilizes Full Service Fare routes. With the way things are going with the virus, Exact Fare would be safer as cash handling could likely contribute to the spread of it. I also think NJ Transit should consider mobile and Cashless Fares. I live in the Bay Area now, all of our agencies use Cashless and mobile fares, I rarely notice people getting on the buses with cash. And three of our agencies use MCI D4500 buses, they have fareboxes on them in addition to FOBs to tag for cashless fares.

I guess Newton Avenue ( Camden) is doing the same thing as Washington Twp; throwing any bus on any run.. While the new MCIs have been used for 400 and 403 trips ( at least once a day). Today I noticed Camden do the same thing. 19150 is on the 455 to Paulsboro now ( about to end the run for the night) 19127 was on the 405/407 this morning. Just strange to see MCIs on other Newton Avenue routes especially on the 455 which doesn't even serve the city of Camden. All of Camden's routes are Exact Fare except the 316, 317 and 409 The 400, 403, 459 and 463 are Exact Fare lines out of Turnersville. I think all of them except for the 463 has seen an MCI bus appear on a run in recent weeks. I wonder if this will continue once fares are being collected again.

Trenton NABI 5522 is in Jersey CIty right now on the 81, that is an odd loan.

Remove all 7500s from Newton Avenue Add former Wayne bus 7645 to Newton Avenue. It has been there for the last 6 months and is the only old MCI they have.

Saw that, highly doubt if it will be scrapped though. It may take a while but it can be repaired.

My Bus now showing a few oddities in South Jersey at the moment: 408-5330 ( Can understand this with the back door boarding) the 406 and the 412 also had an NABI today. 315-5573 ( Strange for a Camden NABI to be doing a Shore points route instead of a Washington Twp NABI) 400-18019 ( If the 408 and 315 are using NABIs this bus shouldn't be used on the 400 if other MCI routes have been using NABIs due to the rear door boarding) I think if it has become that desperate to put MCIs on the 400 ( especially with the pandemic) than NJT should be eliminating trips. There's still plenty of 400s on the road at this hour.

That is a lot of transferring for Hamilton to not receive any buses. Didn't know they had so many buses on hand to give up.

Newton Avenue has NO more old D4000s. Washington Twp only has the following old buses :7512, 7515, 7516 and 7526.

Nope it is 6474 which ran today on the 404 as a matter of fact. I am flying home to NJ for Christmas in a few days.... will try to get some NJT pics in and around Camden and Philadelphia.

Former Montgomery and Westside buses have been transferred down the Turnpike to Camden 5759 and 6474 are now at Newton Avenue.

Yes that is. 18126-18129 are Newton Avenue and they have 19126-19151.

Oh wow that is crazy. And just the 18000s at that, crazy how they're a year old already and this is happening. Hopefully no 19000s end up with this issue and they get this fixed fast before the summer schedule with the 316 in the mix and the extra shore service on other lines. I can see this is hurting WT especially because they were already short due to the AC train shuttle. NABIs have been out all week on just about every MCI Full Service route, I even saw a 555 with a 5300. There some borrowing going on from Camden too; tonight 5587 is on the 410 and 5911 is on the 400.

I have noticed several of Wayne's old leftovers sent down to South Jersey and running out of EH Twp and W Twp this week; it appears that they're sharing these buses between the two garages. Tonight 8304 and 7651 are used on the 401, 8301 is on the 554 and was used on the 459( of all surprises) earlier today. For EH Twp; 7642 and 8241 are on the 553; 8234 is on the 552. I know W Twp is short buses but now EH Twp too?? And 7512 has been returned from Newton Avenue in Camden to Washington Twp as well, that has been used on the 406, 408 and 554 so far over these past few days. And speaking of Camden, these past few days none of their 18000s (18126-18129) have been used which is also rather strange.

Newton Avenue only has 4 D4000s left: 7520, 7545, 7563 and 7564- all others have been retired. They also have 19126 Washington Twp and EHT: I believe 18093 went back to EHT, it is on the 559 today enroute to Lakewood.

So Newton Avenue just got a fresh batch of MCID4500 CTs ( 26 to be exact) plus the 4 from last year and there are still about 8 old MCIs still in service. I don't get why on the weekends, there are NABIs assigned to the 409. It just makes no sense. It seems like now it only happens on Saturday and Sunday morning trips. Is this a training issue in which many of the weekend drivers maybe aren't trained on the new MCIs?

THey actually have up to 19151, that was on the 317 yesterday.

I think 19124 is at the Meadowlands garage, it is on the 320 tonight per MyBusnow.