geoking66 Posted September 6, 2011 Share #26 Posted September 6, 2011 All your arguments against the PSD's are stupid , NYC is the only major metro that has no stations without them. Were becoming the laughing stock of the world , and the New Yorker is the problem. You guys don't like change , one day your just going to have to suck it up and live with it. They can install them and test them on the & lines. Hopefully all the Newer stations along the SAS and 7 Extension have PSD's. Suicides tend to go down or be eliminated when PSD's are put in , look at London , Paris , Hong Kong , Tokyo , and Seoul all have PSD's. I'd like them at busy stations, but they may be impossible to stall at some of them, whether it be due to extreme curvature or sloped platforms. Money needs to go towards maintenance, expansion, new cars, and upgraded signalling as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted September 6, 2011 Share #27 Posted September 6, 2011 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted September 6, 2011 Share #28 Posted September 6, 2011 You could film or snap pics from inside the train. Just a thought. The interior isn't as interesting as the exterior and how you can compose your photos of the outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted September 6, 2011 Share #29 Posted September 6, 2011 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted September 6, 2011 Share #30 Posted September 6, 2011 Well when it comes to platform screen doors there is not many options there when it comes to filming and photos. A person could go to the yard and film/take photos of trains coming in and out the yard. That's all I can say on this. well then lets be glad we dont have them, and pray they never come to our fair subway system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted September 6, 2011 Share #31 Posted September 6, 2011 How many times must this issue be brought up over and over again? Anyway, reasons why it won't work: cost, vandalism, different train length/types, malfunction, curved platforms.... The system is just too old for them. Places like DC where it is about 40 yrs old can work since it is fairly modern, but here in NYC most are over 100 or close to that age range. It is just impossible to do. And as someone said: the station are dirty and in need of repair. Fix the stations first, then worry about the platform doors. Technically if someone is bringing food in those styrofoam containers, those could be prevented from entering if there were more turnstiles under watch by human presence. I'm not against stuff like candy bars where only the wrapper would remain. It's stuff that requires a fork to eat with that makes the mess. Drinks, if in a bottle, is fine or something with a sealable cap/cover to prevent spills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JubaionBx12+SBS Posted September 6, 2011 Share #32 Posted September 6, 2011 One question..... What does railfanning have to do with this? Secondly, the installation of platform screen doors WILL prevent 12-9's but it WILL NOT make any the system any less crappy than it is right now. I don't want to see R32's pulling up next to PSD's. Modern amenities are GREAT for a transit system but the basics need to cleared up first and that will take all of my lifetime given the . Car Fleets are only the tip of the iceberg when referring to the (MTA)'s problems. However, the glass panels in between doors could certainly be used for television and/or advertising purposes. If the is as financially desperate as they claim they should at least look at the revenue potential here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R188 7857 Posted September 6, 2011 Share #33 Posted September 6, 2011 Lets not forget the VANDALS... The day you install those doors is the day the glass gets shattered.. The rumbling litteraly shakes the glass and might result in injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JubaionBx12+SBS Posted September 6, 2011 Share #34 Posted September 6, 2011 Lets not forget the VANDALS...The day you install those doors is the day the glass gets shattered.. The rumbling litteraly shakes the glass and might result in injury. I am against PSD's but not for this reason. Why would one want to shatter glass if he/she does not plan on entering the tracks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted September 6, 2011 Share #35 Posted September 6, 2011 Pelxiglass is not going to shatter. Those would probably be bent a bit from being all dented up, but it isn't like a house/building type glass. On the railfanning thing, the partition will obstruct the full view of the train entering the station. Metal frames have to hold up the doors afterall. So they would be terrible for photography. Putting down millions of dollars just to prevent a few 12-9s is not a good reason for those doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeGerald Posted September 6, 2011 Share #36 Posted September 6, 2011 With the largest transit system in the United States, the MTA does not get laughed at by any other transit system in this country - let's just get that out of the way. Nor is such an approach suggestion a good way to get the MTA do to anything. The objections listed by the other forum members are valid The South Ferry Shuttle station (closed in 1977) was originally built with door openings set in a particular pattern due to the train cars used when the station was built around 1905 or so. Of course, the TA has not used those kinds of subway cars in the past 60 or 70 years, and has had to modify what would now be old cars to use the door openings. This is one of the reasons for the demise of the South Ferry Shuttle in the 1970's. In addition the TA has experimented with metal fencing along some platforms, with openings where the train does would meet. The last remains of that experiment was at the Grand Central station of the #7 line. As was reported before, when the types of trains changed, those openings were no longer helpful or useful. Those who do not know their transit history will suggest things that have already been looked at and where any debates have been resolved. There are very few truly NEW things when it comes to the subways. Folks who look for "quick fixes" really have not looked deeply at the problem, and their solutions often bring further problems. Folks who look for "quick fixes" and then insult others, or attempt to insult others into following their ideas - do not understand that they undermine their ideas by such actions. If the idea has merit, it will stand on its own two feet, and be considered fully and faithfully. Just keeping it real. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JubaionBx12+SBS Posted September 6, 2011 Share #37 Posted September 6, 2011 With the largest transit system in the United States, the MTA does not get laughed at by any other transit system in this country - let's just get that out of the way. Nor is such an approach suggestion a good way to get the MTA do to anything. The objections listed by the other forum members are valid The South Ferry Shuttle station (closed in 1977) was originally built with door openings set in a particular pattern due to the train cars used when the station was built around 1905 or so. Of course, the TA has not used those kinds of subway cars in the past 60 or 70 years, and has had to modify what would now be old cars to use the door openings. This is one of the reasons for the demise of the South Ferry Shuttle in the 1970's. In addition the TA has experimented with metal fencing along some platforms, with openings where the train does would meet. The last remains of that experiment was at the Grand Central station of the #7 line. As was reported before, when the types of trains changed, those openings were no longer helpful or useful. Those who do not know their transit history will suggest things that have already been looked at and where any debates have been resolved. There are very few truly NEW things when it comes to the subways. Folks who look for "quick fixes" really have not looked deeply at the problem, and their solutions often bring further problems. Folks who look for "quick fixes" and then insult others, or attempt to insult others into following their ideas - do not understand that they undermine their ideas by such actions. If the idea has merit, it will stand on its own two feet, and be considered fully and faithfully. Just keeping it real. Mike As far as i'm concerned the rest of the United States is a laughing stock. Not only does a HUGE car culture exist outside the tri-state, the roads and bridges aren't kept up to proper standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemoreira81 Posted September 6, 2011 Share #38 Posted September 6, 2011 I will say no, as the return on investment is not going to be good. It's also not really a needed investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTrainExp Posted September 6, 2011 Share #39 Posted September 6, 2011 I am against PSD's but not for this reason. Why would one want to shatter glass if he/she does not plan on entering the tracks? Vandals are vandals. What's the point of busting a nut to get into a layup track to tag something that will probably never see the day of light? Doesn't make sense to me does it? _______ If you're looking for supporters for the PSDs, don't look amongst railfan forums because the majority of us would like a non-obscured view of the train when when take pictures. However, in theory though, it is a very nice idea, but only when there is an EXTREME excess of money laying around and our equipment is standardized. There are a lot of factors to consider when constructing and building them in the system, and apparently the PSDs don't outweigh the costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted September 6, 2011 Share #40 Posted September 6, 2011 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FriedChikkin Posted September 8, 2011 Share #41 Posted September 8, 2011 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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