official Subway - What If?

[Bay Ridge Express]

8 hours ago, B61In2002 said:

A 5 year old decided to play with the emergency breaks

now that's just bad parenting

 

(lol sorry for not actually attempting this, I don't know much about the subways before 2000)

[B61In2002]

9 hours ago, Bay Ridge Express said:

now that's just bad parenting

 

(lol sorry for not actually attempting this, I don't know much about the subways before 2000)

Lmao yes, and I gave a link to a map from the time so if one was a bit confused they could refer to that. 

[danig1220]

Scenario:

A drunk conductor on the Time Square  hits a  while deadheading to Livonia at Grand Central blocking all 4 tracks.

A  gets rerouted accidentally the derails at the switch outside the NB tracks at Lex/59 hitting a southbound  

Earlier a  exiting the yard details causing all trains to be stuck.

And to make matters even worse, the Coney Island Terminal collapses killing many people, causing a lot of the elevated lines in the area to collapse partially.

 

Sorry if I foamed a bit too much.

[B61In2002]

47 minutes ago, danig1220 said:

Scenario:

A drunk conductor on the Time Square  hits a  while deadheading to Livonia at Grand Central blocking all 4 tracks.

A  gets rerouted accidentally the derails at the switch outside the NB tracks at Lex/59 hitting a southbound  

Earlier a  exiting the yard details causing all trains to be stuck.

And to make matters even worse, the Coney Island Terminal collapses killing many people, causing a lot of the elevated lines in the area to collapse partially.

 

Sorry if I foamed a bit too much.

So how bad is the damage at Coney Island, which yard was the exiting?

Otherwise:

: 2 sections; (Switch is N of the station) Grand Central  - Woodlawn & Brooklyn Bridge - New Lots Av or Flatbush Av (local in Brooklyn)

: all service suspended;  trains are rerouted to Dyre Av and extra  trains are run during this time. Some  and  trains end at Atlantic Av or Utica Av.

: Grand Central - Pelham Bay. To reduce the possibility of a switch malfunction, trains signed as  will run express between Grand Central and 125 St, and between 3 Av - 138 St and Pelham Bay in peak direction.

Extra  service will be run.

There is no  service on Track 1 at Grand Central.

All service in the Coney Island area is shut down. 

: Bay 50 St - 205 St. Extra service is run during this time, and  trains run local between Atlantic Av and 36 St (Bklyn).

: trains run between Av X and 179 St. All trains will be rerouted to the 53 St Tunnel. 

: trains run in 2 sections;

Between Astoria - Dimtars Blvd and Queensboro Plaza.

Between Gravesend-86 St and Forest Hills-71 Av. trains skip 49 St at this time. 

: Brighton Beach - 96 St. Trains run via the Montague Tunnel and Broadway Local. 

: service is suspended. To compensate this, some  and  trains will be rerouted via South Brooklyn to 95 St.  will be running local. service is rerouted via 63 St to avoid congestion at the 36 St Interlocking.

Extra  will be run.

B82, B64 & B74 will terminate at Mermaid Av & W 20 St.

B68 will terminate at W 8 St - New York Aquarium station. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Wallyhorse]

5 hours ago, danig1220 said:

Scenario:

A drunk conductor on the Time Square  hits a  while deadheading to Livonia at Grand Central blocking all 4 tracks.

A  gets rerouted accidentally the derails at the switch outside the NB tracks at Lex/59 hitting a southbound  

Earlier a  exiting the yard details causing all trains to be stuck.

And to make matters even worse, the Coney Island Terminal collapses killing many people, causing a lot of the elevated lines in the area to collapse partially.

Sorry if I foamed a bit too much.

6th Avenue trains do not have access to the 60th Street tunnel that the Broadway lines use.  They use 53rd and 63rd. 

Such trains would have to have been on what become the Broadway line tracks in Brooklyn.  That train would have been caught long before it got to Lex/59-60.  Probably gets sent to 96th/2nd, goes back to 63rd/Lex and rejoins the 6th Avenue line after that.  

That said:

operates in Two Sections:
Woodlawn-86th Street
Utica Avenue (New Lots late nights)-Brooklyn Bridge (some trains end and begin at Wall Street)

runs via the  between 149th Street and Nevins Street

 operates between Pelham Bay Park and 86th Street only
Express Shuttle buses operate between Brooklyn Bridge and 86th Street.  For local service, transfer to an M101 or M102 bus.

Once power can be restored to the IRT tracks at 59th Street,  and  run to Grand Central and shuttle buses operate from that point to Brooklyn Bridge (though some trains then end and begin at 59th Street)

is suspended.

operates from 205th Street-Bay Parkway.  Some trains end and begin at Bay 50th Street or 25th Avenue.

operates 179th Street in Queens to Kings Highway in Brooklyn.  Some trains continue to Avenue X and terminate (or begin) there.

is extended to 71st-Continental.

operates in two sections:
Ditmars Boulevard-Queensboro Plaza (free OOS transfer to Queens Boulevard Line trains at Queens Plaza).
96th Street-2nd Avenue, Manhattan to 86th Street, Brooklyn via the tunnel (local in Manhattan and Brooklyn),

operates from 96th Street-2nd Avenue to Brighton Beach (some trains end and begin at Ocean Parkway).

runs from 95th Street-Bay Ridge to Whitehall Street in Manhattan only.

 is suspended.

[danig1220]

10 hours ago, B61In2002 said:

So how bad is the damage at Coney Island, which yard was the exiting?

Otherwise:

: 2 sections; (Switch is N of the station) Grand Central  - Woodlawn & Brooklyn Bridge - New Lots Av or Flatbush Av (local in Brooklyn)

: all service suspended;  trains are rerouted to Dyre Av and extra  trains are run during this time. Some  and  trains end at Atlantic Av or Utica Av.

: Grand Central - Pelham Bay. To reduce the possibility of a switch malfunction, trains signed as  will run express between Grand Central and 125 St, and between 3 Av - 138 St and Pelham Bay in peak direction.

Extra  service will be run.

There is no  service on Track 1 at Grand Central.

All service in the Coney Island area is shut down. 

: Bay 50 St - 205 St. Extra service is run during this time, and  trains run local between Atlantic Av and 36 St (Bklyn).

: trains run between Av X and 179 St. All trains will be rerouted to the 53 St Tunnel. 

: trains run in 2 sections;

Between Astoria - Dimtars Blvd and Queensboro Plaza.

Between Gravesend-86 St and Forest Hills-71 Av. trains skip 49 St at this time. 

: Brighton Beach - 96 St. Trains run via the Montague Tunnel and Broadway Local. 

: service is suspended. To compensate this, some  and  trains will be rerouted via South Brooklyn to 95 St.  will be running local. service is rerouted via 63 St to avoid congestion at the 36 St Interlocking.

Extra  will be run.

B82, B64 & B74 will terminate at Mermaid Av & W 20 St.

B68 will terminate at W 8 St - New York Aquarium station. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The entire station collapses, which in a chain reaction causes the  between Bay Parkway and the terminal to collapse, causing instability on the rest of the elevated line. And the  to collapse between Ave X and the terminal to collapse, causing instability on the rest of the elevated line. However the only damage on the rest of  was some power issues causing a fire at 86th Street, the  between Sheepshead Bay and the Terminal to collapse, causing instability all the way to Franklin Avenue  (making it unsafe to run)

 

The  was the first morning rush hour train exiting Jamaica Yard.

[danig1220]

6 hours ago, Wallyhorse said:

6th Avenue trains do not have access to the 60th Street tunnel that the Broadway lines use.  They use 53rd and 63rd. 

Such trains would have to have been on what become the Broadway line tracks in Brooklyn.  That train would have been caught long before it got to Lex/59-60.  Probably gets sent to 96th/2nd, goes back to 63rd/Lex and rejoins the 6th Avenue line after that.  

That said:

operates in Two Sections:
Woodlawn-86th Street
Utica Avenue (New Lots late nights)-Brooklyn Bridge (some trains end and begin at Wall Street)

runs via the  between 149th Street and Nevins Street

 operates between Pelham Bay Park and 86th Street only
Express Shuttle buses operate between Brooklyn Bridge and 86th Street.  For local service, transfer to an M101 or M102 bus.

Once power can be restored to the IRT tracks at 59th Street,  and  run to Grand Central and shuttle buses operate from that point to Brooklyn Bridge (though some trains then end and begin at 59th Street)

is suspended.

operates from 205th Street-Bay Parkway.  Some trains end and begin at Bay 50th Street or 25th Avenue.

operates 179th Street in Queens to Kings Highway in Brooklyn.  Some trains continue to Avenue X and terminate (or begin) there.

is extended to 71st-Continental.

operates in two sections:
Ditmars Boulevard-Queensboro Plaza (free OOS transfer to Queens Boulevard Line trains at Queens Plaza).
96th Street-2nd Avenue, Manhattan to 86th Street, Brooklyn via the tunnel (local in Manhattan and Brooklyn),

operates from 96th Street-2nd Avenue to Brighton Beach (some trains end and begin at Ocean Parkway).

runs from 95th Street-Bay Ridge to Whitehall Street in Manhattan only.

 is suspended.

That  train was sent to the south side of the Manhattan Bridge by accident

[danig1220]

What if Manhattan burned down plus the bridges, tunnels and subways underneath?

 

[B61In2002]

2 hours ago, danig1220 said:

The entire station collapses, which in a chain reaction causes the  between Bay Parkway and the terminal to collapse, causing instability on the rest of the elevated line. And the  to collapse between Ave X and the terminal to collapse, causing instability on the rest of the elevated line. However the only damage on the rest of  was some power issues causing a fire at 86th Street, the  between Sheepshead Bay and the Terminal to collapse, causing instability all the way to Franklin Avenue  (making it unsafe to run)

 

The  was the first morning rush hour train exiting Jamaica Yard.

Ok, knowing this:

 

13 hours ago, B61In2002 said:

So how bad is the damage at Coney Island, which yard was the exiting?

Otherwise:

: 2 sections; (Switch is N of the station) Grand Central  - Woodlawn & Brooklyn Bridge - New Lots Av or Flatbush Av (local in Brooklyn)

: all service suspended;  trains are rerouted to Dyre Av and extra  trains are run during this time. Some  and  trains end at Atlantic Av or Utica Av.

: Grand Central - Pelham Bay. To reduce the possibility of a switch malfunction, trains signed as  will run express between Grand Central and 125 St, and between 3 Av - 138 St and Pelham Bay in peak direction.

Extra  service will be run.

There is no  service on Track 1 at Grand Central.

All service in the Coney Island area is shut down. 

: 9 Av - 205 St.  trains run local between Atlantic Av and 36 St (Bklyn), and between Columbus Circle and 145 St. Any extra trains will be sent to the or . LIMITED service is running on the express track between 9 Av and Bay Parkway.

: trains run between Church Av and 179 St. All trains will be rerouted to the 53 St Tunnel. There will be EXTREMELY limited service between Church Av and Av X.

: trains run between Astoria - Dimtars Blvd and Queensboro Plaza. The Sea Beach line will be under use by trains exiting the Coney Island complex to serve the various lines.

: trains will eun normal service, but will be running express between Atlantic Av and 36 St (Queens).  trains will run via the  between 63 St and 21 St-Queensbridge. 

: Kings Highway - 96 St (not much instability possible between Kings Highway and Prospect Park, unless its an earthquake.) Trains run via the Montague Tunnel and Broadway Local. 

: service is suspended.

To help out service on QBL,  and  trains will all be suspended.

All Manhattan bound  trains will be running local. Lefferts Blvd  trains will be running local, and all Rockaway bound  trains will be running express.

Extra  will be run.

All crosstown Brooklyn buses south of 18 Av/Ditmas Av/Av D will not require fares. BM3 and BM4 will be running extra service and will accept regular MetroCards.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[B61In2002]

2 hours ago, danig1220 said:

What if Manhattan burned down plus the bridges, tunnels and subways underneath?

 

Im pretty sure there would be a MUCH BIGGER problem. 

[danig1220]

Let’s make things interesting, by using future NYCSubwayv4 map instead.

 

A  derails at Junius Street-Livonia Avenue crashing time the  platform. Then Woodhaven Blvd  burns down (all platforms affected) then all power in the industrial area of The Bronx goes out. 
 

Then minor earthquakes happen across the city. (Be creative with this one)

 

Reroute away

[B61In2002]

1 hour ago, danig1220 said:

Let’s make things interesting, by using future NYCSubwayv4 map instead.

 

A  derails at Junius Street-Livonia Avenue crashing time the  platform. Then Woodhaven Blvd  burns down (all platforms affected) then all power in the industrial area of The Bronx goes out. 
 

Then minor earthquakes happen across the city. (Be creative with this one)

 

Reroute away

Where EXACTLY is the earthquake, and how badly is the damage? Otherwise: 

[B61In2002]

trains terminate at Utica Av, running express between Franklin and Utica. 

trains run to Atlantic Av. 

Intracity Lines will not be running between Atlantic Av-ENY and Flatbush Av-Bklyn College.

trains arent running between Metropolitan Av and Flushing Main St / trains will be rerouted to Sunnyside-39 St, where they will terminate.  

trains are running 108 St-Springfield Blvd / Bay Ridge - 59 St-Lexington AV, where it will then run via the  to Flushing-Main St. 

   will be running via the Queens Bypass to Forest Hills-71 Av, where it will make all stops to Braddock Av.

 will be running to Roosevelt Av. Manhattan bound trains will run local to Queens Plaza. 

trains will run Metropolitan Av-9 Av.  

 

 

[Bay Ridge Express]

21 hours ago, danig1220 said:

Scenario:

A drunk conductor on the Time Square  hits a  while deadheading to Livonia at Grand Central blocking all 4 tracks.

A  gets rerouted accidentally the derails at the switch outside the NB tracks at Lex/59 hitting a southbound  

Earlier a  exiting the yard details causing all trains to be stuck.

And to make matters even worse, the Coney Island Terminal collapses killing many people, causing a lot of the elevated lines in the area to collapse partially.

 

Sorry if I foamed a bit too much.

42 St  service suspended, use

 trains run via the  between Nevins St and 3 Av-149 St, some short turn at 14 St (NB) or 86 St (SB)

 operates in two sections: Crown Heights-14 St and 86 St-Woodlawn, makes all local stops between City Hall and 14 St

 runs between 86 St and Pelham Bay Park 

Use M1/M2/M3/M4/M101/M102/M103 for northbound bus service and M101/M102/M103 for southbound bus service

 service runs via the  between Atlantic Av and 57 St-7 Av and via the  between 57 St-7 Av and 96 St-2 Av, no service between Kings Hwy and Stillwell Av

A shuttle bus runs between 57 St-7 Av  and Astoria-Ditmars Blvd  making all  stops (Q60 SBS lol)

 suspended, use

 service runs between Whitehall St and Bay Ridge-95 St

 runs between Jamaica-179 St and Kings Hwy

A shuttle bus runs between Kings Hwy  and Stillwell Av for the , making stops at Kings Hwy , Kings Hwy , 86 St/Stillwell Av, and Coney Island

 runs between Brighton Beach and 96 St-2 Av, take the B68 for service to/from Coney Island

 suspended, use

 runs between Bay Pkwy and Norwood-205 St, take the B82 for service to/from Coney Island

 runs local between Forest Hills-71 Av and Queens Plaza

 extended to Forest Hills-71 Av

 runs between Middle Village-Metropolitan Av and Delancey-Essex Sts, use  for continuing service

Edited July 13, 2020 by Bay Ridge Express

[Wallyhorse]

21 hours ago, danig1220 said:

Scenario:

A drunk conductor on the Time Square  hits a  while deadheading to Livonia at Grand Central blocking all 4 tracks.

A  gets rerouted accidentally the derails at the switch outside the NB tracks at Lex/59 hitting a southbound  

Earlier a  exiting the yard details causing all trains to be stuck.

And to make matters even worse, the Coney Island Terminal collapses killing many people, causing a lot of the elevated lines in the area to collapse partially.

 

Sorry if I foamed a bit too much.

 

15 hours ago, Wallyhorse said:

6th Avenue trains do not have access to the 60th Street tunnel that the Broadway lines use.  They use 53rd and 63rd. 

Such trains would have to have been on what become the Broadway line tracks in Brooklyn.  That train would have been caught long before it got to Lex/59-60.  Probably gets sent to 96th/2nd, goes back to 63rd/Lex and rejoins the 6th Avenue line after that.  

That said:

operates in Two Sections:
Woodlawn-86th Street
Utica Avenue (New Lots late nights)-Brooklyn Bridge (some trains end and begin at Wall Street)

runs via the  between 149th Street and Nevins Street

 operates between Pelham Bay Park and 86th Street only
Express Shuttle buses operate between Brooklyn Bridge and 86th Street.  For local service, transfer to an M101 or M102 bus.

Once power can be restored to the IRT tracks at 59th Street,  and  run to Grand Central and shuttle buses operate from that point to Brooklyn Bridge (though some trains then end and begin at 59th Street)

is suspended.

operates from 205th Street-Bay Parkway.  Some trains end and begin at Bay 50th Street or 25th Avenue.

operates 179th Street in Queens to Kings Highway in Brooklyn.  Some trains continue to Avenue X and terminate (or begin) there.

is extended to 71st-Continental.

operates in two sections:
Ditmars Boulevard-Queensboro Plaza (free OOS transfer to Queens Boulevard Line trains at Queens Plaza).
96th Street-2nd Avenue, Manhattan to 86th Street, Brooklyn via the tunnel (local in Manhattan and Brooklyn),

operates from 96th Street-2nd Avenue to Brighton Beach (some trains end and begin at Ocean Parkway).

runs from 95th Street-Bay Ridge to Whitehall Street in Manhattan only.

 is suspended.

I missed the part of the stuck in Jamaica Yard, however, trains can also exit the yard going east/railroad north and enter around Briarwood-Van Wyck, so there would be some delays but trains would be still able to get out using the long way.  With that added, changes to what I wrote above as follows:

trains run express to 179th Street

 and  trains are extended to 179th Street.  A limited number of and  trains go with the to Jamaica-Van Wyck and terminate there.

[danig1220]

What if a toddler controls the MTA for one day? And the people in charge just go through with it. (Be creative in your reply’s)

[B61In2002]

A natural disaster hits, which causes the following:

-A landslide in the West Bronx and Upper Manhattan, crushing the  line between Fordham Rd and 170 St (majority of the curve from Jerome to River has been destroyed as well, leaving enough space at 167 St for trains in 5 car sets to properly terminate and reverse) and the  between Dyckman and 242 St. The portal to the 207 St Yard, alongside Dyckman and 207 St has also been partially destroyed, deemed unsafe for trains to stop in, but safe enough to operate through.

-Grand Concourse throughout various sections of Tremont and Mt Eden (where a street tunnel passes under Grand Concourse) have collapsed, striking the  between 182-183 Sts and 170 St. 

- The 125 St Valley has been completely demolished, causing a massive tidal wave striking parts of Astoria, Hunts Point, and the entirety of Randalls-Wards Island. The  between 3 Av-138 St and E 149 St has become submurged, and the street below the  between Broadway and 39 Av has become flooded, deeming it unsafe for trains to pass through. The stations underground in the 125 St Valley are safe enough to operate through, but not stop at.

-the west side of Central Park and Morningside Park has been struck by a landslide, causing the street to cave in on the CPW Line between 86 St and 116 St, and on the Lenox Av line between 96 St and 110 St. (No stations on the Lenox Av Line were affected, just the tunnel connecting the line to the Bdwy-7th)

-The wave in Upper Manhattan caused water levels in Flushing to rise, causing the  to flood between Mets-Willets Point and Flushing-Main Street. To avoid power failure along the entire line, the power has been shut off along the westbound track between Main St and 74 St - Broadway.

A landslide in Prospect Park has blocked the tracks at all nearby Prospect Park stations, which include:

15 St - Prospect Park  

Prospect Park

Grand Army Plaza

And finally, a landslide from Highland Park has blocked the portal at Wilson Av and Broadway Junction and destroyed Alabama Av  

In short:

242 St Yard, Jerome Av Yard, Concourse Yard are all blocked off

The entire elevated  train is destroyed because geography 

The  and  have been destroyed in Mt Eden, Highbridge, and Tremont sections of the Bronx

 and  in the sections near the 125 St Valley and Randalls Island are destroyed / deemed unstable

Lenox and CPW have been crushed by North Central Park (Lenox stations not affected) 

 are all affected by Prospect Park landslide 

 has been flooded towards the east; Corona Yard is unaffected

Hell Gate Bridge is destroyed, alongside the Park Av elevated stretch & Park Av bridge

 portals are blocked &  is cut off between Bdwy Junction / Alabama Av

 

Reroute away guys! Try to provide as much service to areas unaffected. Bonus if you can figure out how to provide service to the !

 

Try to not overload a single trunk line, as essentially all trunk lines except the 4th Av Line & Queens Blvd Line are affected in some way.

 

[danig1220]

4 minutes ago, B61In2002 said:

A natural disaster hits, which causes the following:

-A landslide in the West Bronx and Upper Manhattan, crushing the  line between Fordham Rd and 170 St (majority of the curve from Jerome to River has been destroyed as well, leaving enough space at 167 St for trains in 5 car sets to properly terminate and reverse) and the  between Dyckman and 242 St. The portal to the 207 St Yard, alongside Dyckman and 207 St has also been partially destroyed, deemed unsafe for trains to stop in, but safe enough to operate through.

-Grand Concourse throughout various sections of Tremont and Mt Eden (where a street tunnel passes under Grand Concourse) have collapsed, striking the  between 182-183 Sts and 170 St. 

- The 125 St Valley has been completely demolished, causing a massive tidal wave striking parts of Astoria, Hunts Point, and the entirety of Randalls-Wards Island. The  between 3 Av-138 St and E 149 St has become submurged, and the street below the  between Broadway and 39 Av has become flooded, deeming it unsafe for trains to pass through. The stations underground in the 125 St Valley are safe enough to operate through, but not stop at.

-the west side of Central Park and Morningside Park has been struck by a landslide, causing the street to cave in on the CPW Line between 86 St and 116 St, and on the Lenox Av line between 96 St and 110 St. (No stations on the Lenox Av Line were affected, just the tunnel connecting the line to the Bdwy-7th)

-The wave in Upper Manhattan caused water levels in Flushing to rise, causing the  to flood between Mets-Willets Point and Flushing-Main Street. To avoid power failure along the entire line, the power has been shut off along the westbound track between Main St and 74 St - Broadway.

A landslide in Prospect Park has blocked the tracks at all nearby Prospect Park stations, which include:

15 St - Prospect Park  

Prospect Park

Grand Army Plaza

And finally, a landslide from Highland Park has blocked the portal at Wilson Av and Broadway Junction and destroyed Alabama Av  

In short:

242 St Yard, Jerome Av Yard, Concourse Yard are all blocked off

The entire elevated  train is destroyed because geography 

The  and  have been destroyed in Mt Eden, Highbridge, and Tremont sections of the Bronx

 and  in the sections near the 125 St Valley and Randalls Island are destroyed / deemed unstable

Lenox and CPW have been crushed by North Central Park (Lenox stations not affected) 

 are all affected by Prospect Park landslide 

 has been flooded towards the east; Corona Yard is unaffected

Hell Gate Bridge is destroyed, alongside the Park Av elevated stretch & Park Av bridge

 portals are blocked &  is cut off between Bdwy Junction / Alabama Av

 

Reroute away guys! Try to provide as much service to areas unaffected. Bonus if you can figure out how to provide service to the !

 

Try to not overload a single trunk line, as essentially all trunk lines except the 4th Av Line & Queens Blvd Line are affected in some way.

 

 operates between 116th Street and South Ferry with an extended Bx7 to cover the area between 116th and 242nd.

 -operates between 72nd Street and Atlantic Avenue, just for safety. 
 

 - inoperable

 -86th Street-Atlantic Avenue (Shuttle Bus from 86th Street to Woodlawn and adding frequency to the Bx32) 

 - Dyre Avenue-3rd Avenue-149th Street

 - Pelham Bay Park to Hunts Point Avenue, (Transfer to the Bx19 the to the  shuttle bus)

 - Queensboro Plaza to Hudson Yards. Queensboro Plaza and Flushing Shuttle Bus.

 - 59th Street-Mott Avenue

I will finish tomorrow, as it is my bedtime.

 

[danig1220]

12 hours ago, danig1220 said:

 operates between 116th Street and South Ferry with an extended Bx7 to cover the area between 116th and 242nd.

 -operates between 72nd Street and Atlantic Avenue, just for safety. 
 

 - inoperable

 -86th Street-Atlantic Avenue (Shuttle Bus from 86th Street to Woodlawn and adding frequency to the Bx32) 

 - Dyre Avenue-3rd Avenue-149th Street

 - Pelham Bay Park to Hunts Point Avenue,  shuttle buses between 86th Street and Hunts Point Avenue 

 - Queensboro Plaza to Hudson Yards. Queensboro Plaza and Flushing Shuttle Bus.

 - 59th Street-Mott Avenue

I will finish tomorrow, as it is my bedtime.

 

 - 59th Street - Atlantic Avenue . Use  Shuttle Buses between 59th Street  and 167th Street , for service on Grand Concourse, use Bx1, and Bx2. For service to Brighton Beach use  shuttle buses

 - 59th Street - Lefferts Boulevard, for service to 168th Street, use  shuttle buses

 - 59th Street - Coney Island for service to the Bronx, use  shuttle buses, for service along Grand Concourse use Bx1, Bx2, and Bx10

 - operates normally

 - Jamaica-179th Street - Bergen Street. For services to Coney Island, use  shuttle buses.

 - Court Square - Bergen Street, for services to Church Avenue, use  shuttle buses

 - Rockaway Park Shuttle - Rockaway Park - Euclid Avenue

 - 95th Street to Myrtle Avenue

 - normal service

 -57th Street-7th Avenue - Coney Island for service to Astoria, use  shuttle buses.

 - 96th Street - Atlantic Avenue  , for service to Coney Island use  shuttle buses. For service to Dekalb Avenue, use . 

 - Forest Hills - Whitehall Street, free MetroCard  transfer to Broad Street  

 - inoperable

 - inoperable

 

[Bay Ridge Express]

23 hours ago, B61In2002 said:

A natural disaster hits, which causes the following:

-A landslide in the West Bronx and Upper Manhattan, crushing the  line between Fordham Rd and 170 St (majority of the curve from Jerome to River has been destroyed as well, leaving enough space at 167 St for trains in 5 car sets to properly terminate and reverse) and the  between Dyckman and 242 St. The portal to the 207 St Yard, alongside Dyckman and 207 St has also been partially destroyed, deemed unsafe for trains to stop in, but safe enough to operate through.

-Grand Concourse throughout various sections of Tremont and Mt Eden (where a street tunnel passes under Grand Concourse) have collapsed, striking the  between 182-183 Sts and 170 St. 

- The 125 St Valley has been completely demolished, causing a massive tidal wave striking parts of Astoria, Hunts Point, and the entirety of Randalls-Wards Island. The  between 3 Av-138 St and E 149 St has become submurged, and the street below the  between Broadway and 39 Av has become flooded, deeming it unsafe for trains to pass through. The stations underground in the 125 St Valley are safe enough to operate through, but not stop at.

-the west side of Central Park and Morningside Park has been struck by a landslide, causing the street to cave in on the CPW Line between 86 St and 116 St, and on the Lenox Av line between 96 St and 110 St. (No stations on the Lenox Av Line were affected, just the tunnel connecting the line to the Bdwy-7th)

-The wave in Upper Manhattan caused water levels in Flushing to rise, causing the  to flood between Mets-Willets Point and Flushing-Main Street. To avoid power failure along the entire line, the power has been shut off along the westbound track between Main St and 74 St - Broadway.

A landslide in Prospect Park has blocked the tracks at all nearby Prospect Park stations, which include:

15 St - Prospect Park  

Prospect Park

Grand Army Plaza

And finally, a landslide from Highland Park has blocked the portal at Wilson Av and Broadway Junction and destroyed Alabama Av  

In short:

242 St Yard, Jerome Av Yard, Concourse Yard are all blocked off

The entire elevated  train is destroyed because geography 

The  and  have been destroyed in Mt Eden, Highbridge, and Tremont sections of the Bronx

 and  in the sections near the 125 St Valley and Randalls Island are destroyed / deemed unstable

Lenox and CPW have been crushed by North Central Park (Lenox stations not affected) 

 are all affected by Prospect Park landslide 

 has been flooded towards the east; Corona Yard is unaffected

Hell Gate Bridge is destroyed, alongside the Park Av elevated stretch & Park Av bridge

 portals are blocked &  is cut off between Bdwy Junction / Alabama Av

 

Reroute away guys! Try to provide as much service to areas unaffected. Bonus if you can figure out how to provide service to the !

 

Try to not overload a single trunk line, as essentially all trunk lines except the 4th Av Line & Queens Blvd Line are affected in some way.

 

 No service between 96 St and 225 St, trains run via the  to 148 St.

 runs between Atlantic Av and 241 St. 

 runs between New Lots and Franklin Avs only.

 Service is available between Atlantic Av and 167 St. 10+ car sets short turn at 86 St, while 5 car sets run between 86 and 167 Sts.

 Service runs in 2 sections: between Brooklyn College and Franklin Av and between Bowling Green and Dyre Av.

 Service runs in 2 sections: between Brooklyn Bridge and 3 Av-138 St and between Hunts Point Av and Pelham Bay Park.

 operates between Willets Point and Hudson Yards, westbound service runs along the express track between Main St and 61 St-Woodside.

 suspended

 World Trade Center-168 St.

 Coney Island-145 St

 Runs via the  between Euclid Av and Jay St, then normal route. Some trains also run via the  between Broadway-Lafayette and Coney Island. A section along the Culver Line runs between Coney Island and Church Av.

 Smith-9 Sts-Court Sq

/ Broad St-Broadway Junction (skip-stop suspended, though express service between Myrtle and Marcy might not be).

 8 Av-Halsey St

 Coney Island-Queensboro Plaza, some trains run via Broadway local/run to 96 St-2 Av.

 Service runs in 2 sections: between Coney Island and Parkside Av and between Atlantic Av and 96 St-2 Av.

Franklin Av  suspended (bidirectional track)

 suspended

For most issues, shuttle buses/local buses could work. Metro-North trains will also cross honor metro card holders.

 

 

[danig1220]

What if the MTA goes broke and the Feds can’t lift it back to life, How to you go about  with the subway. What lines do we cutback? What lines to we discontinue? What do we do with the elevated lines that could be discontinued?

[B61In2002]

22 minutes ago, danig1220 said:

What if the MTA goes broke and the Feds can’t lift it back to life, How to you go about  with the subway. What lines do we cutback? What lines to we discontinue? What do we do with the elevated lines that could be discontinued?

I see it going something like this:

: less TPH

: normal & increased service. A limited number of trains (6 TPH) run between 148 St and Flatbush Av. Normal late night service.

: service discontinued.

: local in Brooklyn, to New Lots Av at all times. Some rush hour trains run current Woodlawn-Utica service. Late nights and weekends via local. TPH decreased by 20%.

: rush hour Nereid-238 service cut, TPH increased to keep same levels on Lexington Av. Express in Brooklyn, Flatbush and Utica stay same terminals, but TPH is split between terminals at all times. Late nights 42 St-Dyre via Lexington Av Exp (Dyre Shuttle will also be in operation). Weekend Dyre-Bowling Green.

: service reduced

: service reduced

 42 St: no changes

: Rush hour Rockaway Park service discontinued. Late night service on this route now starts at 9:30 PM.  trains stop at 155 St and 163 St rush hours and weekends.

: service is discontinued.

: service ends earlier but also increased during hours of operation by 50%. The 50% will terminate at 145 St, and during rush hours all trains will be rerouted to Bedford Park Blvd. To accommodate for yard access, the R68 will be part of the C train fleet, and some R179s currently at Concourse will stay there permanently and will operate out of Concourse.

: slight service increase. 3 TPH will operate via CPW Lcl.

: 30% service reduction, and late night service is cut. 

: service reduction, and  service discontinued (again). Trains will now operate via the 53rd Street Tunnel at all times.

: service is now run in 8 cars, but also service reduction.

: slight service increase.

: 30% service decrease. 

: late nights will now run Jamaica Center - Metropolitan Av via 53rd & QBL local with increased service during late nights. Trains now operate via the 63rd Street Tunnel.

: Broadway local at all times. Service at normal (increase service and decreased service at the same time.) Some rush hour trains will run via Tunnel, 4th Av Local, or both depending on time of day.

: increased by 50%. The 50% will operate Astoria-Dimtars - Brighton Beach via Brighton Exp, skipping 49 St. Normal late night service, with some late night service running to Forest Hills.

: slightly increased service, now operating via 63rd Street Tunnel. Normal late night service.

: discontinued.

: discontinued.

 Franklin: converted to a bus route, B98, between Bedford-Nostrand  and Prospect Park . The old ROW will be converted to a busway between Prospect Park and Park Place, but in the meantime, passangers ride for free at select bus stops.

 Rockaway: decreased service.

train will return, operating Far Rockaway - Rockaway Park.

In short,

- service discontinued

- Brooklyn local all times.

- swapping river crossings to reduce deinterlining.

- returns to Bedford Park (to maintain rush hour  service) / fleet swap for  yards.

-Franklin  converted into a bus route, and when funds are there, the ROW used by the current shuttle will be converted into a busway. 

(Side note, this isnt really a what if, more of a when its gonna happen, what's getting cut, and how badly are we gonna be screwed.)

 

[mrsman]

I find it sort of interesting that a service cut will be mixed in with a partial deinterlining.  In my view, deinterlining's purpose is to allow for more trains to be able to be accommodated on any given line segment, at the expense of an additional transfer.  While an additional transfer is inconvenient, the fact that more trains can run will reduce th waiting time at the transfer and allow for better operations for the system as a whole, even if it is less convenient for a specific passenger.  For instance, disconnecting 60th street from Queens Blvd will necessarily allow for more trains for both Queens Blvd local as well as Astoria and Broadway BMT segments. 

But if you have less money to run trains, then why go through with it?  If you are now running trains less frequently, one seat rides are more important since the waits at transfers will be longer.

The most likely budget cut scenario would be expansion of the late night service to a bigger part of the day.  And midday service will run during peak hours, with midday service at reduced headways during the actual midday.  It is very unlikely that anything dramatically different from an existing low frequency pattern will actually be implemented.

 

[Bay Ridge Express]

12 hours ago, B61In2002 said:

: increased by 50%. The 50% will operate Astoria-Dimtars - Brighton Beach via Brighton Exp, skipping 49 St. Normal late night service, with some late night service running to Forest Hills.

No 2 Av service?

[B61In2002]

16 minutes ago, Bay Ridge Express said:

No 2 Av service?

There is still 2 Av service, but as I said, some (at best 1 or 2 TPH) will be rerouted to Forest Hills. Or if anything just send all  to Forest Hills overnight and make 2 Av a shuttle service (bad idea but)