Lhota: Let’s send the 7 to Chelsea.

[mark1447]

 

 

That might work, since it also would allow for an OOS to the (A)/©/(E) at 14th/8th. If you can get the close enough to the at 14th, even perhaps it could be done as an in-system transfer if that can also be done from the 8th Avenue line.

 

 

And thats what I said before.. Better then sending the Uptown as use usually bring up.

[Brighton Express]

And thats what I said before.. Better then sending the Uptown as use usually bring up.

 

 

Post 601 and counting.

 

And giving the Express tracks around the same time could surely boost the ridership. Not many people want to ride out the full in Brooklyn, and if this transfer were to come true, it would be great for the MTA.

[VWM]

Post 601 and counting.

 

And giving the Express tracks around the same time could surely boost the ridership. Not many people want to ride out the full in Brooklyn, and if this transfer were to come true, it would be great for the MTA.

 

 

Make the skip stop, named the or (X).

[Brighton Express]

Make the skip stop, named the or (X).

 

 

Or just designate select trains the <L>? The R160s can be easily programmed to run diamond bullets, the only ones that have been used so far being the <A> and the .

[KeystoneRegional]

And thats what I said before.. Better then sending the Uptown as use usually bring up.

 

 

The won't go Uptown anytime soon, I think you meant Northward?

 

Post 601 and counting.

 

And giving the Express tracks around the same time could surely boost the ridership. Not many people want to ride out the full in Brooklyn, and if this transfer were to come true, it would be great for the MTA.

 

 

Well, it all depends on the , I don't see an express track or even center track coming anytime soon, however it would be great to have an extra set of tracks to speed up service.

 

Make the skip stop, named the or (X).

 

 

No, skip stop service won't work on the , especially since how trains are so close to each other, skip stop would harm rather than benefit.

 

Or just designate select trains the <L>? The R160s can be easily programmed to run diamond bullets, the only ones that have been used so far being the <A> and the .

 

 

The diamonds won't come back, and Express service won't come anytime soon.

[T to Dyre Avenue]

Make the skip stop, named the or (X).

 

Ridership is too high at the stations west of Myrtle to justify skip-stop service on the . The needs longer trains and terminal stations that allow trains to enter and leave the stations faster, allowing more trains per hour to run. That's where an northward extension of the with a transfer to the might come in handy. But not too far north.

[Roadcruiser1]

The doesn't need express service. The has taken the load off of the . I seen this with my own eyes. The is already there. Why create an express? It's not needed. All that is needed is weekend service on the , and more trains as well. I overhear people complain about not having more service. It's popular so it is something that should be needed more not less.

 

The is extremely popular even during rush hours. People have to stand. You never had that on the (Mx). There was always a seat on the (Mx). Now on the there are not seats available and a lot of people are standing. It's quite crowded like the is.

[Vistausss]

If people only need to stand than that's not such a problem. Now if they were to get sandwiched, then it would be a problem. As long as people are only standing like normal, more trains aren't needed on the (or maybe 1 extra tph).

[Brighton Express]

If people only need to stand than that's not such a problem. Now if they were to get sandwiched, then it would be a problem. As long as people are only standing like normal, more trains aren't needed on the (or maybe 1 extra tph).

 

 

This is something for the future. The someday eventually is going to get Express service. The population is forever growing.

 

Back on topic however. Do you guys thing the is the only train getting extended to NJ?

[KeystoneRegional]

 

 

This is something for the future. The someday eventually is going to get Express service. The population is forever growing.

 

Back on topic however. Do you guys thing the is the only train getting extended to NJ?

 

 

No, the will not and never will (anytime in the foreseeable future) get extended to NJ, it's here to stay.

[Roadcruiser1]

This is something for the future. The someday eventually is going to get Express service. The population is forever growing.

 

Back on topic however. Do you guys thing the is the only train getting extended to NJ?

 

 

Have you read the news articles recently. After the change some people are moving to the line. The and the does the job well. There is no way that express tracks are even possible giving how narrow the road is. The elevated section is also too short. So it would be quite useless.

 

Now if the ran on the weekends the problems on the will be solved since people would use the as well even then. Even on the weekend during GO's and some former riders are happy to have it.

 

Also most people riding on the or the neighboring lines are seeking the 14th Street area. The also serves 14th Street making that point moot.

[Roadcruiser1]

Here are the news articles. They are only a month old.

 

Chrystie St. Connection M service proving popular

 

By Benjamin Kabak

April 9th, 2012

 

Once upon a time, long ago in the days of early 2010, the brown-bulleted train was for many New Yorkers an enigma. It would sneak from Middle Village in Queens through parts of Brooklyn into Manhattan for a quick jaunt along Nassau St. before a peak-only trip down 4th Ave. in the County of Kings. For a part of the night, the train runs only as a shuttle along the BMT Myrtle Ave. line. “What is this thing called ?” many subway riders wondered.

 

At the time, the was useful mostly for Wall St. workers and civil servants. It offered a direct line to One Centre Street and the courthouses at Foley Square, and it provided for a stop right near Wall Street. It had its core riders but never gained much traction even as the areas it serviced in Queens and Brooklyn grew. It’s usefulness was limited by the need to transfer. To get to Midtown required a transfer to a crowded train at Essex/Delancey, and most straphangers were content to take the , a generally more direct and reliable train.

 

In mid-2010, amidst a budget crisis, that all changed. To save dollars, the MTA axed the rush hour extension of the train to Bay Parkway, killed the train, gave the bullet an orange make-over and re-routed the to snake through midtown and to Forest Hills via the Chrystie St. Cut. A few vocal groups were unhappy with the cut. They feared less frequent service at Second Ave., once the ’s southern terminal but now only an stop,. Too, the commuters from Middle Village to Lower Manhattan bemoaned the need for a transfer.

 

Yet, the possibilities for the new train seemed promising. It would deliver a one-seat ride from rapidly growing residential neighborhoods to the core job centers in Manhattan. It would alleviate some pressure on the train and would make use of existing and underutilized infrastructure. It seems to be a hit.

 

Late last week on Subchat, a well-connected poster unveiled the 2011 station by station ridership figures. Transit has yet to publish this information on its website, but the numbers are available. As ridership climbed over 2 percent in 2011 to over 1.6 billion, the stations along the Myrtle Ave. Line showed the most growth.

 

(Chart omitted due to size. Go to link for chart.)

 

If the system showed such growth, it would quickly become far too crowded for the service levels. By and large, Subchatters noted that the growth likely came from people who are switching from the train to the due to the promise of a one-seat ride. In fact, the train stations closet to the — Halsey and DeKalb — showed less growth than other nearby stops. Some of the increase too comes from new riders.

 

This news is, in no small sense, a vindication for many transit activists who had urged the MTA to make use of the Chrystie St. Cut for years. The service change, which just made sense even absent the need to preserve money, has become quite popular, and it’s one that should have been made years ago. Because of the fixed nature of rail tracks and the glacial pace of system expansion, the MTA is limited in ways it can meet shifting demographics and commuting patterns. Using the Cut is one of those ways, and it’s been a success. Now if only the authority would restore rush-hour along 4th Ave. in Brooklyn. Perhaps the or could be put to such use.

 

http://secondavenues...roving-popular/

[Guest Lance]

The and lines are not entirely dependent on each other as each line get their own share of riders. The will continue to be crowded regardless of the 's routing. Sure, the does take some of the passengers off the trains because the is nearby and usually less crowded. However, despite the fact that the stops at both Myrtle-Wyckoff Avs and 6 Av-14 St, neither line really parallels each other enough to be viable alternatives for riders not going to those particular stations or in the nearby vicinity. Few riders, if any, are going to either backtrack to the from stations west of Myrtle Av or jump onto the at stations far east of Myrtle Av and take a circuitous route, to get to and from Manhattan.

 

You are right in saying that express service on Canarsie will never happen. Same applies to having weekend service to Manhattan. It's just not going to have the effect you're thinking it would. Concerning the former, you hit the nail on the head. Barring a complete rebuild of the Canarsie line, any sort of express service would be difficult to say the least. Skip-stop won't work for reasons mentioned previously in this thread.

 

Getting back to the topic at hand, while it is nice to see someone with good ideas for subway expansion, I feel that before we start digging through that relatively short distance from the end of the tail tracks to 23rd Street, they should build the Ninth Avenue station first.

[Brighton Express]

Here are the news articles. They are only a month old.

 

Chrystie St. Connection M service proving popular

 

By Benjamin Kabak

April 9th, 2012

 

 

 

http://secondavenues...roving-popular/

 

 

Ok chief, you need to slow it down. I understand that the is being very favored by everyone, and helping out the with that 6 Av 14 St transfer. No need to broadcast your win.

 

I was just trying to say something that would be helpful to riders who want to get directly to Manhattan, but apparently by the clip you just unloaded on me, it won't work.