DJ MC Posted January 3, 2013 Share #1 Posted January 3, 2013 The wooden subway cars on the Buenos Aires subway's A-line will soon be replaced by Chinese-made rolling stock, and that has people in the Argentine capital nostalgic. The 90 Belgian cars began rolling in 1913 on Latin America's first subway line. And they are the oldest subway cars still operating in the world, carrying 160,000 passengers on the line daily. The old cars still attract tourists, but they've become increasingly difficult to maintain. Mayor Mauricio Macri says they're unsafe and must be replaced. That saddens Aquilino Gonzalez Podesta, founder of the Friends of the Subway. He agrees the historic cars must go, but wonders why it can't wait until after the line's centennial in 11 months. In his words, "There are some sentimental questions that overrule logic. http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/buenos-aires-retiring-century-subway-cars-18117224#.UOUkem_hruc End of another era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtattrain Posted January 3, 2013 Share #2 Posted January 3, 2013 Wow... 100 years... even the R1s can't beat that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted January 3, 2013 Share #3 Posted January 3, 2013 Thank God these aren't running around in New York! There'd be so many people b*tching about them you'd need to have a lifetime supply of Aspirin on you at all times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted January 3, 2013 Share #4 Posted January 3, 2013 As far as I know, the R32 is the second or third oldest subway car model in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minato ku Posted January 3, 2013 Share #5 Posted January 3, 2013 The oldest train running on Paris metro network is the MP59 6050 (line 11) in service since 1964. It is likely to run until 2019. The first MP59 was put in service in 1963. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted January 3, 2013 Author Share #6 Posted January 3, 2013 The oldest train running on Paris metro network is the MP59 6050 (line 11) in service since 1964. It is likely to run until 2019. The first MP59 was put in service in 1963. And people tell me Paris always have modern trans and not very old ones like the US. Some of the equipment Paris had either tied or out lasted the wooden Q-Types of the Myrtle El. Example of that is Paris Metro's legendary Sprague-Thomson Houston subway cars built in 1908. The cars were fully retired on April 16, 1983. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted January 3, 2013 Author Share #7 Posted January 3, 2013 The last run will apparently be next week according to this. http://www.businessinsider.com/buenos-aires-retires-famous-wooden-cars-2013-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgood6195 Posted January 4, 2013 Share #8 Posted January 4, 2013 Wow, this puts our Redbirds and Brightliners to shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minato ku Posted January 4, 2013 Share #9 Posted January 4, 2013 End of a story but I don't think that it is a good idea to run a train for a centuries on average passengers traffic. About old subway trains, there are some old Tokyo metro rolling stock from the 1950's in Buenos Aires metro. http://upload.wikime...enos_Aires1.jpg Eidan 300/400/500/900 series built in 1954. And people tell me Paris always have modern trans and not very old ones like the US. Some of the equipment Paris had either tied or out lasted the wooden Q-Types of the Myrtle El. Example of that is Paris Metro's legendary Sprague-Thomson Houston subway cars built in 1908. The cars were fully retired on April 16, 1983. Note that the Sprague-Thomson was a big serie of rolling stock built between 1908 and 1938. So, the last Sprague-Thomson running was built in 1936 (47 years old). According Wikipedia it may be possible that some Srague had operated for 65 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted January 4, 2013 Author Share #10 Posted January 4, 2013 Wow, this puts our Redbirds and Brightliners to shame. This puts the MP54s of both the LIRR and PRR to shame along with the Q-Types that were on the Myrtle El. End of a story but I don't think that it is a good idea to run a train for a centuries on average passengers traffic. About old subway trains, there are some old Tokyo metro rolling stock from the 1950's in Buenos Aires metro. http://upload.wikime...enos_Aires1.jpg Eidan 300/400/500/900 series built in 1954. Note that the Sprague-Thomson was a big serie of rolling stock built between 1908 and 1938. So, the last Sprague-Thomson running was built in 1936 (47 years old). According Wikipedia it may be possible that some Srague had operated for 65 years. I am aware of that, but that was me counting the fleet as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minato ku Posted January 4, 2013 Share #11 Posted January 4, 2013 Looking the Spanish version of the article in Wikipedia, I read that the Eidan 300/400/500/900 series from Tokyo in BA metro were built in 1959 for the oldest. Buenos Aires metro don't have the oldest trains of this stock (1954). There are also some other japanese trains from Nagoya metro built between 1960 and 1963. So, no the R32 is not the second nor the third oldest car model still in service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCRailfan523 Posted January 4, 2013 Share #12 Posted January 4, 2013 Another end of an era. They should have been in the Buenos Aires Line A centennial, because that would be the best time for retirement. However I agree with the mayor, they should be replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted January 4, 2013 Author Share #13 Posted January 4, 2013 Well I do get to say this. Take that everyone who said a train could not last 100 years in regular service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted January 4, 2013 Share #14 Posted January 4, 2013 The oldest train running on Paris metro network is the MP59 6050 (line 11) in service since 1964. It is likely to run until 2019. The first MP59 was put in service in 1963. And the R32 was built in 1964 so that makes 'em equal. Also, there is speculation that some R32s may continue to run until the R211s come in 2020 so that would make it even more equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgood6195 Posted January 4, 2013 Share #15 Posted January 4, 2013 They are only going to run them until 2017, when the R179 order is completed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted January 4, 2013 Share #16 Posted January 4, 2013 And the R32 was built in 1964 so that makes 'em equal. Also, there is speculation that some R32s may continue to run until the R211s come in 2020 so that would make it even more equal. I really hope not. I can't stand people always b*tching about them as if they're some heinous crime against humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted January 4, 2013 Share #17 Posted January 4, 2013 They are only going to run them until 2017, when the R179 order is completed. Yes, most ones are retired by then but a few will remain running. At least, that's what I picked up by the R46 retrofit discussion in the SI subforum. Because if they really do sent the R46s to SI then they will have car shortage, even with the R179s rolling in so that means that something else has to run and that'll be the R32 since they are the most reliable. That's how I understood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted January 4, 2013 Author Share #18 Posted January 4, 2013 Yes, most ones are retired by then but a few will remain running. At least, that's what I picked up by the R46 retrofit discussion in the SI subforum. Because if they really do sent the R46s to SI then they will have car shortage, even with the R179s rolling in so that means that something else has to run and that'll be the R32 since they are the most reliable. That's how I understood. You do make a good point there. I've heard about R32s sticking around until the R211s come in, but right now it is way too early to tell what will happen. If the R46s do go over to SI then it's likely the R32s will be around until the R211s arrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted January 11, 2013 Author Share #19 Posted January 11, 2013 Well unless something is done by tomorrow, Saturday will be the last run of these cars. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/et-cetera/in-argentina-final-stop-for-worlds-oldest-metro-car/articleshow/17975380.cms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCRailfan523 Posted January 12, 2013 Share #20 Posted January 12, 2013 Well unless something is done by tomorrow, Saturday will be the last run of these cars. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/et-cetera/in-argentina-final-stop-for-worlds-oldest-metro-car/articleshow/17975380.cms Goodbye. It's a sad end of an era which old cars run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted January 12, 2013 Author Share #21 Posted January 12, 2013 Goodbye. It's a sad end of an era which old cars run. They still have old subway cars running, but not as old as the wooden relics about to make their last stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share #22 Posted January 14, 2013 Requiem for the La Brugeoise cars Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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