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13 minutes ago, Ale188 said:

Did 30-day testing restart because of the door problem

IIRC the 211T is not doing 30 day testing, it doesnt have to, the 211A passing its 30 day also applies to the T minus the gangway part. Im not 100% sure though

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37 minutes ago, Ale188 said:

Did 30-day testing restart because of the door problem

I heard same reports that the T model is not doing the 30 day test just being dedicated to the C line at this point and just see how it runs there, anyone with more knowledge can update this 

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12 minutes ago, MJHmarc said:

I heard same reports that the T model is not doing the 30 day test just being dedicated to the C line at this point and just see how it runs there, anyone with more knowledge can update this 

As far as I know, there is no 30-day test.

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1 hour ago, Comrade96 said:

IIRC the 211T is not doing 30 day testing, it doesnt have to, the 211A passing its 30 day also applies to the T minus the gangway part. Im not 100% sure though

Incorrect the memo mentioned the R211T is doing a 30 day revenue test on the C line. They are not part of the R211A 30 day don’t know from where you are getting that info from. If it was that case it wouldn’t take over a year for R211T to do non revenue testing. 

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5 minutes ago, Transit Fans said:

Again incorrect the memo states the R211T is doing a 30 day test same as the R211A. If it was that case they wouldn’t do a non revenue test for over a year. 

Chief, I'm looking at it right now....there is no mention of a 30-day test.

I don't know who told you that it's doing a 30-day test, but there's literally no mention of it doing so.

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8 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

Chief, I'm looking at it right now....there is no mention of a 30-day test.

If that’s the case then R211S don’t need a 30 day since they all part of the base order. The MTA mentioned in the last conference introduction the R211T saying it’s doing a 30 day to see how it does before they order more of them. 

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1 minute ago, Transit Fans said:

If that’s the case then R211S don’t need a 30 day since they all part of the base order. The MTA mentioned in the last conference introduction the R211T saying it’s doing a 30 day to see how it does before they order more of them. 

Source your claim that they said that.

As for the R211S, you're assuming that they'll even do a 30-day test.....things are ran differently compared to the subway.

Staten Island is a completely different situation considering that this is Staten Island's first new fleet in many years....they'll have to do quite a bit of testing and training before they run those cars in passenger service.

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39 minutes ago, RedLine said:

A 30-day test is pointless if non-gangway subsystems of the R211T are the exact same as R211A subsystems.

You are aware that R211T is a pilot set which requires a 30 day revenue test. Only production cars are not required a 30 day. Also R211S are exact same as an R211A too and they are doing a 30 day revenue on that’s one in March next month. 

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4 minutes ago, Transit Fans said:

You are aware that R211T is a pilot set which requires a 30 day revenue test. Only production cars are not required a 30 day. Also R211S are exact same as an R211A too and they are doing a 30 day revenue on that’s one in March next month. 

It's not a pilot....it's a prototype, there's a very big difference.

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26 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

Source your claim that they said that.

As for the R211S, you're assuming that they'll even do a 30-day test.....things are ran differently compared to the subway.

Staten Island is a completely different situation considering that this is Staten Island's first new fleet in many years....they'll have to do quite a bit of testing and training before they run those cars in passenger service.

Look R211T and R211S both are pilot sets which means they have to go through a 30 day test no matter what. That’s how the MTA if they are able to run well just as the same process they did with the pilot R211A. Do you even know how a pilot train works. 

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1 minute ago, Transit Fans said:

Look R211T and R211S both are pilot sets which means they have to go through a 30 day test no matter what. That’s how the MTA if they are able to run well just as the same process they did with the pilot R211A. Do you even know how a pilot train works. 

Considering that you cant even source your claims, it's evident that you have no clue what you are even talking about.

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4 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

It's not a pilot....it's a prototype, there's a very big difference.

It’s doesn’t matter it’s not a production set which means it has to go through a 30 day revenue test. 

 

3 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

Considering that you cant even source your claims, it's evident that you have no clue what you are even talking about.

Neither do you 

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14 minutes ago, Transit Fans said:

It’s doesn’t matter it’s not a production set which means it has to go through a 30 day revenue test. 

 

Neither do you 

lol you're all the way in Florida, you definitely don't have a clue about much.

And it does matter, prototype cars are basically test fleets, ala R110s.

The R211Ts are prototypes to determine to see whether or not the MTA will even consider ordering more open gangway cars. Nowhere in their presentations or memos did they state that they are running a 30-day test. Just because you say they are, doesn't mean they are. The R211A was the baseline for the R211Ts, since the internals are virtually the same except for the gangways and some other minor differences, hence why a 30-day test isn't necessary.

Like I said, source your claims and stop spouting nonsense before you end up getting the boot.

16 minutes ago, subway guy said:

Does anyone know if the flat spots were taken care of on the 211S?

Flat spots are a common thing out in Staten Island. Whether or not it gets taken care of, it'll happen again, especially with leaves and such on the rails.

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The R211T, from a mechanical standpoint, are identical to their “A” counterparts.

 

the SIR cars do have one difference, having to use the SIR’s cab signal system instead of CBTC hardware.

 

there is nothing a 30 day test would uncover that the A tests didn’t already do.

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2 hours ago, Cait Sith said:

lol you're all the way in Florida, you definitely don't have a clue about much.

And it does matter, prototype cars are basically test fleets, ala R110s.

The R211Ts are prototypes to determine to see whether or not the MTA will even consider ordering more open gangway cars. Nowhere in their presentations or memos did they state that they are running a 30-day test. Just because you say they are, doesn't mean they are. The R211A was the baseline for the R211Ts, since the internals are virtually the same except for the gangways and some other minor differences, hence why a 30-day test isn't necessary.

Like I said, source your claims and stop spouting nonsense before you end up getting the boot.

Flat spots are a common thing out in Staten Island. Whether or not it gets taken care of, it'll happen again, especially with leaves and such on the rails.

Yes prototype are test fleets which is similar to the R110A/B to see if they are able to run way on the tracks. Either way a prototype is very similar to a pilot set when it comes to testing to make sure it works properly. I have seems how pilot and prototype works by living in NYC even since being born and raise there. I don’t need someone like you to tell me what I don’t know. Because prototype cars and not the same as production cars when it comes to testing. Do you remember back in 1993 when the R110A appeared on the 2 line for testing. Which has tested as passenger service for about 5 years before they decide to put the R142 doing testing back in 1999 and their debut has on July 2000 same with the R142a on the 6. 

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