Around the Horn

5 hours ago, Bill from Maspeth said:

The Nova diesels for NYCT (#'s 8755-8963, which is over 200 of them) were scheduled to begin to arrive in Sept., 2021. To my knowledge none have arrived yet.   Therefore I think it's ambitious that 8964-89098 would begin to arrive beginning this November, 9 months away.

They're two separate contracts. The NYCT LFS diesels are option buses on the hybrid contract and the MTA Bus LFS diesels are a standalone contract awarded in December. The November delivery date comes from here: https://new.mta.info/document/68221 page 118

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The 135 buses are scheduled to begin being delivered in November 2022 and be completed in March 2023, for an overall period of 16
months from Notice of Award. The above delivery schedule is based on the assumption that Notice of Award will be issued on or before
December 31, 2021.

2 hours ago, The TransitMan said:

Greetings!

 

Well MTA Bus is getting NovaBus LFS, huh? Fleet numbers are #8964-9098. So let's see who's getting them...

Baisley Park...46
Eastchester...24
JFK/Far Rockaway...40
LaGuardia...25

 

Delivery is set to begin in November. Of course...this is "Subject To Change".  Enjoy!

 

Same specs as 8755 I’m assuming? 

7 minutes ago, MHV184 said:

Let me correct you on that. All XDE40s at Manhattanville have the Manhattanville Decals just saw all of them. 

This is incorrect. 9427 currently running on the M2 still has a Quill sticker. The only XDE I’ve seem with a Manhattanville sticker is 9420. 

3 minutes ago, Future ENY OP said:

The slight problem is that MHV has placed decals on those potential loans. (I know this has been done in the past with them)

However, I think on the original order sheet that MHV was supposed to receive XDE's.  I guess it's a wait and see approach.

Nah only 9420 has an Manhattanville sticker. The rest still have Quill stickers. 

4 minutes ago, Brian Kim said:

Permanent or no?

As someone else already said in the thread, they’re temporary for driver training.

You might see more loans like this during snowstorms in the future. 

9726 is in service on the M66. Loan to Quill? 

What part of CBTC has been active since the fall of 2020 do you people not get? How on earth could you send back R160s from the for R46s when all the waysides have been deactivated?

For the love of god use your brains...

On 2/17/2022 at 10:12 AM, aemoreira81 said:

9872 in service at Kingsbridge. What changes to the order have happened, given that MHV was initially slated to receive a brand new fleet in one shot?

That's likely temporary since Kingsbridge is missing portions of its original allotment

To add on to the previous post, it would not surprise me if the cab signal screen on the R211S looked similar to the standard screen design used in Europe:

On 2/11/2022 at 1:21 PM, darkstar8983 said:

I think to speed up CBTC installation, GO's need to be a bit more invasive, similar to FASTRACK shutdowns. The subway headways are already poor enough that people who ride the subway during off-peak hours wouldn't complain any more than they already do when service to their station is shut down.

They likely will as more invasive procedures like cable pulls and equipment testing take place. Right now, the procedures taking place each weekend like the installation of track transponders and back room signal equipment can be done without full line shutdowns.

9 hours ago, UTC Bus Roster said:

Are you sure about 9796? GH is supposed to get 9891-9910. Could you mean 9896? Unless 9796 would be used for training purposes.

I've seen a photo of the bus inside Gun Hill. It's definitely 9796.

54 minutes ago, trainfan22 said:

Isn't the pliot set for SIR due in the summer of this year? I'm more excited for the SIR 211s than the subway ones lol. Curious to see if they have a FIND or an strip map, plus cab signals in a subway car is pretty cool.

August, last I heard.

Also seems as if they've shifted to burn in tests, 4060 was spotted today with the big red weights inside.

22 hours ago, 1998NewFlyer said:

I herd talks of another CNG order for 368 buses is this true?

It was brought up in the last board meeting but nothing official.

I mean I would consider new rolling stock to be infrastructure...

In regards to what mode the Interborough Express will be, I think they're probably going to operate this similarly to : a line that to the average passenger is part of the subway system but under a separate operating authority within the MTA following "mainline" FRA signalling rules.

They can add on additional cars to the R211S order for the Interborough Express, provided that they meet the FRA's definition of alternate compliance since the feasibility study claims that "The Conventional Rail alternative involves the use of FRA-compliant vehicles that can operate in the same corridor as freight trains, but which offer service frequencies and train car interiors that more closely resemble the subway."

On 1/19/2022 at 5:14 PM, Lawrence St said:

How come?

Vehicles are not allowed to pass through Fort Hamilton unless they have business there. It happened after 9/11 as a security measure IINM

On 1/16/2022 at 5:25 PM, checkmatechamp13 said:

Nay. A Bay Ridge Avenue route should ultimately head towards the Brighton Line (and likely beyond) to provide some type of crosstown service. 

If you think about it, a Bay Ridge to Downtown Brooklyn (or Navy Yard) route would be wildly indirect compared to existing bus and subway options. Even though it's not Q38-level indirect, it's still best to avoid those types of long-winded routes.

Now, a simple extension down 16th Avenue might be more worth it (but I think that should be served by a route that goes on to supplement the B8 on the eastern portion). 

I'll second this. Also while "circuitous" the B64 between Bay Ridge and Bensonhurst is well patronized.

On the other hand I do like the proposed B14, even though it should use 13th Avenue both ways until 60th Street and then the northbound bus can scoot over.

On 1/6/2022 at 10:47 PM, R10 2952 said:

You're not getting it, as you say, because you apparently see Triboro RX as a viable plan that the MTA can offload yet-to-be fully determined cash into, whereas I see Triboro RX as unrealistic pie-in-the-sky.

Although there are exceptions, most people in Hunt's Point, West Farms and Parkchester are trying to get to Midtown and below; not Glendale or Flatlands.  I grew up across the street from the Bay Ridge Branch in Middle Village- much of nobody was clamoring for light rail along a north/south freight secondary that would either get them to derelict factories in Mott Haven on one end or abandoned warehouses in Sunset Park on the other.

With this whole TriboroRX thing, there seems to be a fundamental disconnect between the transit planners and enthusiasts, versus the everyday people who live along the Bay Ridge Branch.  Go to communities along the line like Ridgewood or Midwood, and ask them if this thing is a priority on their list compared to say, restoring LIRR commuter rail service on the Rockaway or Lower Montauk branches.

Better yet, ask the folks up in Crotona Park or Claremont whether they'd rather have a subway to Manhattan, or a dinky rail shuttle to West Elmhurst.  A misplaced priority is a misplaced priority, that's how I see it.

 

It's a good thing we have ridership projections then:

(if we were to classify this as a commuter rail, it would be the 7th highest ridership system in the country)

https://new.mta.info/projects/interborough-express

On 12/31/2021 at 4:12 AM, Lawrence St said:

Has there actually ever been a 1:23 departure from Pelham Bay on the ?

I'm not sure about the time before the movie came out, but nowadays they deliberately avoid a 1:23 departure.

On 12/29/2021 at 12:42 AM, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

I was looking at some old bus maps through the Brooklyn Public Library's Public Transit Map Collection (which BTW, has quite a few gems), and I glanced over at the September 1995 Brooklyn Bus Map. Interesting to seem some old service patterns there (like the B41 to DUMBO), but what caught my eye was actually on the Queens side of things, particularly the Q11 route.

Boy, I really miss the old maps when it didn't seem like half the map was covered in red and blue

54 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

State buses have been used on LIRR shuttles, charters, ect. Hell, when Saddle River was still operating NJT contracted routes, their 17000s operated on GREYHOUND's NYC/AC/Philadelphia service!

Heck, my high school trip from the Poconos back to NYC had 8000s... I don't think anyone else on that trip batted an eyelid lol

57 minutes ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

I seem to recall them using an S sign on the Arnines. With the R32s, they probably could set the side signs on Special, although the front Flipdot sign could be pretty much anything. It’ll be hard to see it anyway. I don’t suppose they’d be able to do anything to approximate the original historical look on the front of the final R32 train’s run, like the big  sign they had for the final R42 run, other than possibly repaint the front and side doors blue.

(I think I can say this without causing any issues)

There will be no rollsigns, everything will be specially made stickers.

9 hours ago, BreeddekalbL said:

how far are we away from omny vending machines etc?

should be soon at Penn Station, GCT and Woodside I think.

11 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

So...instead of running the  to Coney Island...they're doing all this extra stuff for no reason. Ok then.

This is the typical weeknight version of this G.O. Why it's Sunday into Monday this time IDK

EDIT: Just saw the Euclid Av part, that's actually something different. Usually the Manhattan and Queens half ends at Hoyt-Schermerhorn and use the middle track at Lafayette Avenue to turn.

On 12/11/2021 at 12:40 AM, Future ENY OP said:

Apparently,  there's an artic order floating around for bus co.. Is this 100% accurate?

There's one mentioned in the Capital Program but I've yet to see anything else about it