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There are enough 8 car trains to make the G full length. The problem is that there are not enough 10 car trains to make the C full length. We would have to wait for option order 1 to make both the C and G full length.

The C will get 10 car trains. The G will get 8 car trains. Let's not forget that option 2 includes four 8 car trains (32 cars).

They weren't retired prematurely. The r179's were supposed to replace the r42's and some r32's. The r32's were retired because of COVID. They were a health hazard for train crews who have to be switching cars to open and close the doors. Both options orders will eliminate car shortage.

What is the MTA's current top priority in regards to the C: - Make the C 100% NTTs for 8th Avenue CBTC? Or -Make the C 100% full length? That is a question that only time will tell. Any delays with 8th Avenue CBTC may allow the r46's to stay longer on the A/C.

As long as the C has 8 car r179's, the 10 car r179's will stay on the A. It will be too confusing to run 8 and 10 car r179's on the C. The 8 car r179's will most likely stay on the C until at least option order 1. The base order of r211's will just displace the r46's off the A/C. Just do the math. As for congestion pricing, only time will tell if ALL subway lines will experience high ridership as a result of this. Keep in mind that there are drivers that will prefer to pay more on tolls than get on a train.

For now it's 20 cars, but if production start to run 24/7, we could probably see 10 car trains delivered per week and we could probably see 30 cars entering service per month. Let's see what happens.

I would wait until all the r46's are gone from the A. The C doesn't have that many r46's The C has a lot of 8 car r179's and those trains ain't leaving the C anytime soon.

2 r211As + 13 r179's= 15 NTTs for the A. Work in progress!! 🙌

Yes!!! 🙌 If all goes well moving forward, by 2033 (10 years from now), the only SMEEs left are going to be the garbage trains and NY Transit Museum trains

Nope, A lot of people have confirmed that it passed. As for the schedule it could be crew related. I'm glad that the pilot train is back in service and we should expect the first production train to enter service at any moment.

I found a video that talks about the r268 I just hope that the MTA exercises option order 2 of r211's and purchases enough r268's to replace all r68's and to allow service boosts in the B division.

Hopefully, option order 2 would allow these changes to happen and yes, 4th Avenue needs more local service.

I think that the second option order, which may be open gangway, should go to E/F. The R should stay with the r160's. The D should get r211As, since it does get crowded, especially during PM rush hours and during Yankees game.

The base order of r211As will most likely displace all the r46's off the A/C. That's is probably one of the reasons why the 8 car r179's are being retrofitted with CBTC, even though the J/Z is not getting CBTC any time. The first option order will most likely make the C and G 100% full length and make the B/D 100% NTTs. The G will either get r179's from the C or get r160's from ENY. If CI gets r211As is going to be for the B. I do see second option order going to Jamaica, regardless if it's open gangway or not, while CI gets some of the r160's plus all the r68's. The MTA needs to exercise the second option order not just for CBTC, but also for the second phase of SAS, which will require more trains for the Q. Is it true that the MTA included the r268 in the same capital program as the r262's???

I found a video that does say that the pilot train passed the 30 day test. Now let's wait patiently for the production trains to be delivered, burn in tested (which takes aproximately several days) and gradually be put in service. My guess for the production trains entering service would be 1 train per week or 1 train biweekly.

Passed. The production trains need to do burn in testing before entering service.

Option 2 will allow the NQW to get some of their r160's back. It makes much more sense for Jamaica to get option 2 due to ridership.

That's definitely going to happen, especially once work on 6th Avenue CBTC begins, that's when we're going to see a lot of reroutings via 8th Avenue particularly on the D, which runs 24/7. The F will also get rerouted, but the F already has NTTs.

8th Avenue CBTC includes 59th Street. Therefore, all r68's have to leave the B/D. That's why Concourse will most likely get a good chunk of the 1st option order. There are still rumors that the B may move to Concourse. I don't know how that's going to work out.

Source?? AFAIK SIR is only getting 75 R211S's.

SIR is only getting 75 r211S's.

Why not?? The E/F trains have the highest ridership and QBL has CBTC. The r211's is already equipped with CBTC and can accommodate more riders than the r160's. It makes much more sense for Jamaica to get the second option order. If the MTA is really smart, then they should stop worrying about costs, think about the future and make the whole 2nd option order open gangway. At least the NQW riders can get some of "their precious" r160's back if Jamaica gets the 2nd option order. Also, let's not forget that the first option order will most likely be split between 207 and Concourse due to CBTC.

Were you actually expecting that the r32's and r46's will stay in service for another 10-15 years?? For what?? So that subway service continues to be delayed due to mechanical issues?? Do you know how annoying it is to get to work or school late because the train broke down? The real reason why there is a subway car shortage is because the MTA did not order enough r179's. The subway car shortage will be eliminated with the second option order of r211's.

The r68's cannot stay on the BD once 8th Avenue CBTC is done. R68's are not equipped with CBTC.

They won't fail. Both Ts should run on the E or F trains.