Imhim

2 hours ago, Jchambers2120 said:

I agree that if the job is for you or not it will show and that it depends on the person, but I can’t agree that the only benefit you have is the ability to go back to your previous title. Someone who started as a conductor will be familiarized with the system and how things work compared to (sorry I have to use it) someone coming fresh off the street. Like I said before there is a lot you have to learn and T/o is a very serious title. Reading GO’s/supplements, points of no returns, lingo used down here/how to use the radio, getting used to being XX and adjusting to the hectic schedules, experience on the road, etc... just some of the things that someone starting as a C/R will have under their belt as opposed to someone brand new to transit and having to learn all of that on top of how to operate a train. 

Just because someone started as a C/R doesn’t mean they will be a better T/o than someone fresh off the street that I can agree on, but someone who started from the middle will have an easier transition to going up front than someone brand new to transit. 

@Schecter 2d- employees whose duties are concerned with the actual operations of the rapid transit system must be conversant with the rules governing the duties of other employees similarly engaged.

I understand all that, but again I gotta play devil advocate and say that some of those things; schedule, radio use, reading GOs/Supplements, lingo (some of which they tell you in school car not to use lol) can come easy if you held a job in the transportation field, not just being a conductor. Only reason I seem like I’m going back and forth is because I’ve seen first hand conductor’s go back, get forced back, really struggle in the classroom and I feel like the title has nothing to do with it. Yeah it’s a little helpful, but if you hate having ya schedule changed and being sent uptown all the time and live in Brooklyn, coming from the middle isn’t going to “help” make it easier lol. Again every situation is different, so I simply say to those who are on both list, go with what makes you comfortable and with what you know you skill set can handle. 

Well then you should go with what you're comfortable with. Like I said to @Schecter go with what you think your skill set is. Again you still have to pass the conductor school car quizzes and test as well. Good luck to you all! 

47 minutes ago, Schecter said:

Yeah just in my dream job doing either conductor or t/o I was just asking because both exams are close to my list number.

Yeah go with what you think you will be comfort with. The material isn’t as difficult as they make it seem as long as you apply yourself. 

3 hours ago, Jchambers2120 said:

Coming in as a C/R will help you as a T/O. As of recent there were some new T/O's who got semt back to schoolcar for reinstruction because of too many incidents happening with new T/O's. It's very serious title and there's so much you have to learn in such a short amount of time. You'll be familarized with the system in terms of Reporting locations, how to read GO's/supplements, lingo, etc... and be in a better position than someone from off the street.

Both lists won't expire until 2022, why not give C/R a shot until you finish probation and then go up front. 

Oh yeah rule 2d is another reason.

This is subject to opinion, to me. The only good thing about being promotional is that if you fail or it’s not for you, you can go back to prior title! But in terms of operation and signals, I honestly don’t think being a conductor means anything compared to being open competitive (I hate that off the street term). I seen a conductor barely make it through the mid-term, then there was the conductor that split the switches in CIY, just put in the time studying and ask questions if you don’t get something! If the job is for you, it’s for you, if not, it will show! 

1 minute ago, Jchambers2120 said:

Caught up your last post, congrats on your bid. I didn’t win ish off the bid, but it’s all good the crew office been showing me love since this pick started with these *cough cough* 1 trippers. You in the A div also?

@acabral136 I’m not trying to beat a dead horse here, but yes what everyone is saying is true she’s not over exaggerating. I’ve met some T/O’s with 4-5 years on the job who have weekends off on the PM tour and one guy with S/M on the midnights, but to get AM’s with weekends it’ll take close to a decade. Seniority is everything down here. 

Nah I’m B division, it’s not bad at all now, I don’t drive so school car got me ready for all the bouncing around, it’s pretty much normal now to start on board at in the Bronx, pick up a job in queens, clear somewhere different lol. 

1 hour ago, acabral136 said:

We actually had somebody from the front office answering questions. Delayed the process a bit because he was cool enough to answer every question asked. 

 

One thing I heard that is weird is some lady (I assume Ms Vargas but idk what she looks like) said we might not get to pick for 2 and a half years and might not get weekends off for 10 years lol. I hope this is just a gross exaggeration. 

lol yeah this isn’t an exaggeration! Again they tell you at orientation, this job is 24/7 365, seniority based. If you think it’s a game, it’s not, I live in Brooklyn and spent most of my YX in the Bronx. You’re at the discretion of the crew office, so be prepared to be sent all over the division on any tour! You’ll get used to it by the time you come out and if you get lucky enough you might be able to get a job during the vacancy bid, if not, extra extra list it will be. 

6 minutes ago, Harlem said:

Thanks. Do you have to submit the job history info the day of the P/E or is that taken home?

Yeah they make you submit one and they give you a packet to go home with which has work history on there as well as a few other things. 

6 minutes ago, MarkGuy said:

So they already may have finished with the t/o request for 225 bodies? Or not, and they’re going to likely have more classes very soon? 

I’m not sure if they finished or not, I don’t work in HR, but if the request was put in at the beginning of May, they couldn’t have gotten through it already. There’s a dude in my induction class that told us he was told to come in for P/E and to stand by because someone might drop out the class, literally the Friday before we started he was sworn in. So you never know what can happen. My class had 71 ppl to start, maybe 72, but when we got down to the school it was 70. Not sure how the class sizes after mine were, haven’t heard much from about the classes, but again, just keep up with the number count called and hang in there! Your number will be called, hopefully sooner than later!

5 minutes ago, Harlem said:

Thanks for the advice Imhim. I'll call them tomorrow. Do you know the documents required for the P/E?

If I were you I’d scroll back a couple pages, to check for the P/E dates. Honestly they might not answer if they’re having P/Es to fill that class for next month. Either go tomorrow or Monday because I know Monday definitely is a P/E someone in here mentioned. I would bring high school diploma, passport and/or drivers license, resume, just in case you don’t remember jobs off the top of your head and also that approved appeal letter. 

5 minutes ago, MarkGuy said:

That’s  depressing. Idk why they need to hire 200 c/r’s and around the same number of t/os but they’re giving more conductor classes. Almost like they’re deemphasizing train ops.

That’s not really the case, if they sent out an order for 225 T/Os more than likely it will be split up in multiple classes. Apparently the April 29th class had only 25 ppl, which might have been the last round up of one of those 200+ request. They didn’t have enough TSSs to teach the classes which is why it slowed up. remember the training for B division T/Os is 9 months, C/R is just 6 weeks. Again just be ready when they call, get your job and resident history together and that will help your process go smoother!!

6 minutes ago, Harlem said:

So my list # is 11**. I didn't get a letter or call for pre-employment. I appealed and had my appeal approved but no letter for pre-employment. Anyone know the highest list number they called for the recent P/E's?

If I were you I would go to 180 Livingston during one of the P/Es and let them know you might have missed the call, letter, email and you never know they might process you then and there! Wouldn’t hurt! 

3 hours ago, Jchambers2120 said:

Every line/job is different there is no average day when you’re XX. 

Also being XX isn’t the worst thing in the word I’m still XX and I’ve had ams/weekends since I’ve finished schoolcar and that’s going on over10 months now. 

 

Yeah it’s not bad at all, I actually wouldn’t have cared if I didn’t get awarded a job, I just did it to see if I would get one, the bid already started so our class didn’t get to put in a preference sheet, so I was stuck with middle of the week days off lol. 

9 hours ago, MarkGuy said:

I hear. Did you get to pick while you’re an xtra xtra? Or you still have to wait? I’ve heard of some people picking before even finishing schoolcar.

Yeah got awarded a job from the vacancy bid, a couple of my classmates won jobs also, being on board is good OT, but being sent all over the place can get demanding, I’m glad I got the job, hopefully it’ll last through my probation, then I’ll go back extra extra list! 

14 minutes ago, acabral136 said:

Oh I always disclose and pay any tickets before i show up. But I have run drivers license checks before myself as part of my job and I've never seen a parking ticket background check. I guess department of finance but then if that's the case, why parking tickets but not taxes owed to the city? I've heard it said in here as an explanation that the mta doesn't want u owing the city any money, but if that's the case then something like owing taxes or other types of violations should be disclosed too no? 

 

Doesn't matter, I say disclose it all and pay any tickets anyway. I even pled guilty to a moving violation back in November just so it wouldn't stop me, even though I had a very good chance of winning the case. 

Yeah I hear you, not sure how they know but when I went in for P/E there were a few ppl who thought the parking tickets didn’t matter, but the HR rep there said if you have any tickets open today, you will not be allowed to proceed, best believe phones came out and they were paid on the spot lol. 

5 minutes ago, MarkGuy said:

I’m working on plans to settle my ticket before next week def. btw, Imhim, congrats on passing your final! When will you or have you been released to the crew office? How many sacrifices in terms of time for stuff outside of work have you been making? Do you get am’s? Pm? Midnights? 

Thanks...💪🏽💪🏽 Yeah get it sorted, you don’t want to delay the process, I almost deferred myself, but thank God I didn’t. I got released to the crew office two days after the road practical. Tues/Weds off, working PMs, can’t lie it’s not really that rough! We were already warned about the schedules, honestly, you will hear this a lot, but the hardest part really is getting to work lol. I like the job a lot, everyday you learn something new and every station stop is like you’re taking your practical. The money is good also lol, stay in your books, learn your job and everything will come together with time! 

51 minutes ago, acabral136 said:

I always wondered the same thing...

lol hello they run a background check. If you lie on any part of that paperwork, for any TA job and they catch it, you will get fired even if you already started! That is a fact, there’s no reason to lie, they do not care about your driving record, I’m telling you from experience, license just has to be valid, I was scared of the same thing. Again these things have been addressed over and over in the thread, but if you want to mess up an opportunity for something silly go right ahead.

37 minutes ago, Nexdup said:

chief leader posted that a new train supervisor class has been approved; im hoping that allows for more classes to be scheduled for the remainder of the year

There was a TSS class there 2 weeks ago, sure they’re going to get more T/O classes out, again patience is key, as long as your info is up to date you will get notified when it’s your go. I was working yday and I saw one of the April 29th classes in the yard. Good luck to everyone! 

2 hours ago, Mtahopeful121986 said:

Good evening everyone. I have to report to livingston street for pre employment on 5/24 and was curious. Will they be reviewing our driving record? Do they disqualify on the spot for bad driving records? Or they just want to verify a license

This was answered quite a few times already, you’re not disqualified for your driving record. They give you paperwork to fill out to provide them with your infractions. You cannot have any open moving or parking violations! Bad driving though, no you’re not going to get disqualified, just report all moving violations and outcome! 

3 hours ago, MarkGuy said:

Wait, so are you saying there is a May class, but you guys are keeping it under wraps for now?

lol nah he was in the May class from last year. He’s talking about incidents from ppl in his class. 

12 hours ago, Elfamoso2020 said:

She better have lots of patience then. If the mta wanna keep pushing out T/O on to the road that’s not ready yet then mistake will happen. It is what it is. 

Take it from me, lol, she don’t have to do anything! She let us have it on Friday because of the July and Aug classes with so many incidents, it’s like know your stuff or it’s over for you! We went back today for Straight Talk and 2 other Superintendents pretty much said the same thing, it’s too many incidents and the attitudes and no accountability is getting frustrating! Guess the operators are trying to place blame on everything in the world but themselves! 

1 hour ago, nipaaaa said:

i agree schoolcar pace of training is way too fast. Especially the first 2 months where they cram you for 2 practicals and a signal exam

Take it from me, they don’t want to hear none of that! The way the spoke to us today, be prepared for these evaluations, stay in your books because if you get a marginal, they will be on you after that! There’s a system, according to them, “green, yellow, red” to let them know which operators they need to be on top of. Like I said if you know your stuff you’re good, but you get better daily so brush up on the rule book when you can, chapters 1-3 are for us apparently, try and learn the routes lol that’s the hardest for me, but other than that I think everything else is smooth. 

On 4/26/2019 at 10:16 PM, hammalamma said:

I was called in and sworn in on Thursday evening. List number 38X. Don't know the highest list number in the group as I haven't met anyone yet. Good Luck to all. 

Good luck and welcome aboard!! First week is gonna be a drag lol but you got this!!

6 hours ago, Elfamoso2020 said:

It depends how long they going back to school car. When I say I doubt it, My initial thinking is going back for more then a month. If it’s for a few days then I guessssss it’s possible. I got less then a month to get off probation. Counting down the days. 

Ok so you were in the May class, that’s wassup. Yeah the retraining from what I was told isn’t like oh here’s another 9 months, it’s a few days, however they can just fire you if it’s incident related. Also there’s the option of extending your probation, the whole thing is don’t give them a reason to do either! Good luck to you and be safe out there! 

1 hour ago, Elfamoso2020 said:

Super doubt it !!! Lol 

well which induction class?! I know bunch of induction class came out so far.

Smh no need to get into specifics, you can’t say you super doubt something if you aren’t in the know, so I ask are you down here already? You work for TA? It’s a known fact that TA has brought back entire induction classes! In the case of incidents costing them money you think they won’t do as they please, being called back for more training is actually the best thing, especially if you’re open competitive! At least with the promotional people they have a title to go back to, open competitive they can fire you, again since you’re not in the union and still on probation! Hope none of that happens, everyone stays safe and makes it through probation and their time with TA. 

2 hours ago, Elfamoso2020 said:

I doubt that’s gon happen lol 

It’s happened before! They can do wateva they want, everyone is still on probation, the title isn’t secured yet! 

17 minutes ago, Jchambers2120 said:

I'm hearing that some T/O's are being called back into schoolcar due to too many incidents going on. People don't realize how serious that title is.

Heard the same thing they’re thinking about bringing back the entire induction class because of this, allegedly. 

14 hours ago, Dave2836 said:

Wouldn't be saying this if I wasn't.  And yes, it is that serious.  Leaves, slick rails, and horrible brakes can happen anywhere any time.  Don't worry, just one stop is all that is needed to understand.  One bad stop in two weeks of posting won't disqualify you.

It’s not that serious to me to do all of that, not sure how that helps you understand anything in terms of stopping a train during wet rails, leaves, etc. if that’s what you did cool. I feel like once anyone is on the job and the importance of controlling your train is embedded into their brain, purposely over running a station isn’t necessary. But hey that’s just my opinion. 

14 minutes ago, IronboundNJT said:

Here's the real when it comes to school car. The TSS there are knowledgeable but not all of them have the ability and or the patience to teach. Combine that with the way the syllabus is designed you don't really move trains often. and as such a typical person doesn't know if this job is for them or not until around yx roughly 4-5 months in. Plus classes are too big and in the beginning whether it's intentional or not you end up in this study to pass instead of study to know. It's not impossible but there are too many hiccups in it's design.

But then there's the individual person, because of that whole study to pass ideal, when they do they seem to let all that knowledge fall out their brain to the wayside.

Perfectly put!