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42 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

The countdown clocks call the baseball specials trains...

Some C/Rs have announced them as  before (the ones that were signed as ) this was before the countdown clocks though.

22 hours ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

 First of all how often do we even get the outside of rush hours? 

It has happened a few times before (some midday GOs), last time was in 2009 (middays and evenings)

http://www.subchat.com/readflat.asp?Id=737756&p=1

23 hours ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

Second when was the last time the ran weekends? 

Outside of Yankees/Barclays/Soccer specials, July 2001

23 hours ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

Another point to bring up is the Yankees/Soccer specials. Do we even get those signed as let alone like that? Most are just "Special".

Some specials have been signed and announced as .  The Barclays specials using r160s are signed as  trains to 145 St.

2 hours ago, BrooklynBus said:

Yes, but how are they going to deactivate the machines on weekends? They would have to be able to do it remotely if that is even possible. Or will they just keep your money if you don't see a sign saying no weekend service or tell you to give the receipt to the local operator instead of paying a fare? 

Also, has anyone seen the new traffic congestion on the main road near Mr Sinai Hospital because of the unnecessary bus lanes, just as I predicted, with virtually no place to switch between the main road and service road making left or right turns very difficult for cars and trucks? 

Just like how other SBS routes have deactivated machines late nights (like the Bx12 and Bx41) "SBS not running use the local"

The Bx15 local should be extended to 138 St when the Bx15 LTD gets converted to the Bx15 SBS in order to:

1. Give local bus riders another subway alternative instead of just 149 St 

2. In order to keep the two local bus stops on Willis Avenue from being eliminated

Bx46 also serves Barretto Point Park and replaces the Pool Shuttle (Bx24 2nd version)

2 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

I didnt say that. The should have been the one to go local instead of the (4). Its best to have at least one service retain it's normal it's normal service pattern for simplicity sake.

The  has to go local overnight anyway, so the  makes more sense to be the express since it was express all night at the time.  The  also has a longer route in the Bronx than the  with more stops. A  rider to 241 St has a longer ride than a  rider to Woodlawn.

12 minutes ago, j express said:

That was during Clark st weekend closures.

Yes, it also shows that MTA has to cut something, though the  train at 12 minute headways was still more total Lex service than the train at 20 minute headways.

6 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

That was the dumbest decision ever. We Jerome riders have to suffer in favor of the which is downright stupid. If the goes local, so should the .

Would you prefer an overcrowded  train running express and no  train at all?  The  was suffering because of the , not the .

The  is suffering more now due to the  ending early almost every night, or not running much at all.

36 minutes ago, Lance said:

Nah, the better thing would be to have the run at its normal headways despite being cut back to 149 Street. For some reason or another, that isn't possible because every time there's work on Lexington Ave (this past weekend, it was the northbound express run between Brooklyn Bridge and Grand Central), the  gets reduced, which is the real issue at play here. From an operations standpoint, it doesn't matter how the trains are labeled; it's that service reduction that's the problem. Normal s or shortened s - unless that reduction is removed, there will still be uneven loading on the main  trains.

Running the  normally would mean the  gets cut back to 12 minutes (like before when the  had more priority) and the  would have to run local to help the .

1 hour ago, Daniel The Cool said:

You are incorrect about the  . The  started running local during the overnights beginning in the 1980s. The  was cut to 125th Street until around 1999 when they decided to extend the late night  back to Brooklyn Bridge but kept the  local.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6_(New_York_City_Subway_service)

Someone posted this:

From January 21 to October 5, 1990, late night service was extended back to Brooklyn Bridge when late night express service on the 4 was restored. But the 6 was then cut back to 125th Street for the last time when late-night express service on the 4 in Manhattan was permanently discontinued.

October 6 1990 would have been the last day as the 5th was a Friday.

Anyone have a 1990 map service guide or ,  schedules that can confirm or deny this?

10 hours ago, Coney Island Av said:

The only lines that run express during late nights are:

- between 96 St and 42 St

- between 145 St and West 4 St

- between Forest Hills-71 Av and 21 St-Queensbridge

Before, the following lines used to run express during nights:

- between 96 St and 14 St (weekends only until June 2018)

- between 125 St and Brooklyn Bridge (weekends only until June 2018)

- between 57 St-7 Av and Canal St (until 2015)

- between 96 St and Chambers St (until 1999)

- between 125 St and Brooklyn Bridge (when the  operated to Brooklyn Bridge late nights during the 90s)

- between Forest Hills-71 Av and Queens Plaza (until 1997)

- between 59 St and 36 St (northbound only until 2016)

But IMO it would be good to make the  express on 4 Av during late nights. The  and  both can adequately cover the local stops. Yes, riders lose 6 Av service at Dekalb, but that's the case on weekends when the  doesn't run.  to Whitehall is a non-starter due to making one long trip even longer. 

I agree with running the  express between Franklin Av and Borough Hall because it already skips Hoyt St during late nights. Having it run express would eliminate the need for it to merge with the  at Nevins and would not only speed up service, but it would also eliminate merging. 

Additional late night express service in bold

On 6/22/2018 at 6:53 PM, Union Tpke said:

30th and 36th on the Astoria Line are really nice. I checked them out earlier today. 39th needs work badly.

The historical dual names are now eliminated in those stations. Looks like MTA has reversed their previous stance on keeping historical names with renovations (like on the ).

The  Bronx express in the PM is extended a bit later. Instead of 7:43pm, the last express leaving 3 Av - 149 St now leaves at 7:55pm.

Just now, Calvin said:

Extra Friday trains on the from Eastchester-Dyre Av to Bowling Green from 10:13PM till 11:22PM are discontinued.  

Regular Friday service after 8:30pm from Dyre to Bowling Green won't be running for the next several weeks either due to G.O.s The  trains ran until 10:48pm,  anything after that were  trains to South Ferry. Looks like the  and  are going to be even more crowded on Friday evenings.

MTA has decided to open the Clark Street Tunnel while the previous pick schedule is still in effect, so now we have these services running S/B for about 1 hour

 241 - Flatbush

 Dyre - South Ferry

 Dyre - E 180

Going N/B after midnight we will have

 Flatbush - 241

 South Ferry - Dyre

 E 180 - Dyre

The Dyre line has both the and  S/B until midnight

7 Av gets extra service at the expense of Lexington

The Dyre line has through service this time while the upper White Plains Road line has shuttle service. 

MTA could try running the  (to 14 St , Chambers Street, or South Ferry), the  (to 42 St, Brooklyn Bridge, or Bowling Green), the   (to Lefferts Boulevard),  and  (to 57 St or 71 Av)  Friday-Saturday late nights.  The , , , and  will be the late night expresses those 2 nights a week. The  Lefferts shuttle will be replaced by the  for those two nights. Every Manhattan trunk will have one express on Friday and Saturday nights (currently every Manhattan trunk has a weekend late night express except the 8th Avenue and Broadway lines).

The on Sunday-Thursday late nights should be extended to 149 St Grand Concourse. The  on Sunday-Thursday late nights could possibly be extended to Chambers Street (some late evening s to this now) . The weekend  should be extended to Chambers Street after the  reopens in Manhattan.

The additional weekend late night service will run from Friday night 11:00PM to 8:00AM Sunday Morning (no more and  shuttles running until after 7-8am Sunday mornings)

This is a middle ground between doing nothing and running these service 7 nights a week, it covers the two busiest nights. It would require permanently having a separate Sunday schedule, Monday-Thursday schedule,  Friday schedule, and a Saturday schedule.4

MTA currently has a separate Sunday schedule, Monday schedule (until 5am), Tuesday-Thursday schedule, Friday schedule (after 10pm on the , 10:30pm on the , and 11:00pm on the ), and a Saturday schedule on the , and trains. The complete Monday and Friday schedules are only shown in real time and not on the timetables.

17 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

That's stupid, have more trains instead of forcing us Jerome riders to go local along with the .

 has more priority than the  since it now runs to Brooklyn on weekends, so instead of the  running every 20 minutes, the  runs every 12 minutes (instead of 8) whenever the  and  have to run on the same tracks on weekends. 

The upper White Plains Road line now sees 12 minute headways on weekends instead of 8 minute headways. They also have a  train overnight with the choice if transferring to a  train at E 180 St which is usually about 1-3 minutes behind it. Much better than the usual overnight trying to rush and connect with a  which may be leaving by the time the gets to 149 St GC meaning up to 20+ minute waits discouraging ridership.

Weekend daytime riders suffer, but weekend late night riders benefit.

Subway Time shows the  trains running as Dyre Shuttles while the MTA website says they should be  trains.

 will go to 96 St weekday late nights and early mornings as well.

17 minutes ago, VIP said:

 service won’t be active until the second phase of SAS. Why is anyone bringing up that letter now? 

Third phase will be the , second phase is just a  extension.

7 hours ago, Gotham Bus Co. said:

Maybe, maybe not. The Hutchinson Metro Center shuttle is still running long after the Bx24 was extended to replace it.

Some of those buses (the small ones) don't even run to the subway, they just end outside the complex

2 hours ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

I heard stories of how chaotic the Bx12 sbs could be especially during rush hour while several people will just pass up the local service to get on the sbs route. I can’t figure out why people will totally pass up the local’s up, where in most situations I’ve been in they are usually only a few minutes slower. I know for example the Q44sbs is massively popular on Main Street compared to the Q20 and people will do that same pass up the nice empty local nonsense for the crowded select bus route. What I’ve noticed lately is that the local buses are sometimes even faster than the “faster” select bus route because select buses are stuck at stops picking up tons of people who just passed up the locals.

Bx12 SBS and Q44 SBS extend further than the Bx12 Local and Q20 Local, some people have to take the SBS

The did run on CPW on weekends from November 2000 - July 2001. The even ran on CPW until after midnight, a bit later than the  did.

2 hours ago, Wallyhorse said:

Yeah but then some people in midtown looking for SF would be confused and we just can't have that.
 

Then why not use the  crews on the and  if they are that worried about someone not remembering to only open one set of doors at 145, or do they really think some crew would be stupid enough to make that mistake AND someone would be stupid enough in the cars not in the first few cars to be where the doors could open and NOT paying attention? 

Not enough late night crews to come completely cover the late night to 148, so the issue of crews stopping at 145 will still come up.

35 minutes ago, danielhg121 said:

Right, but wasn't there an article saying the Eagle Team would no longer do patrols on local lines and would only focus their efforts on SBS lines? However I feel in the Bx15's case, it already moves really quick, is their a better alternative that we can get everyone to pay their fare without having people farebeat? Installing machines and having people go and patrol is a waste of money especially when it's just getting people to change their habits.

SBS would restore weekend rapid service to 3 Av and would replace the weekend Bx55 LTD service.