B35 via Church

That is exactly my problem with how they're opting to break up the current Q16.... The Q16 at its busiest is west of Francis Lewis, not east of it.... Fat chance the proposed Q61 & Q62 would spur significant enough growth from along Utopia & from along Willets Pt. blvd...... If it's any branch of the current Q16 that should be kept, it's the Willets Point branch (mainly because of its usage along Francis Lewis)..... It's enough that they got the proposed Q31 running up Utopia, way up to the Cross Island.... The current Utopia branch of the Q16 carries a lot more air throughout the day.... Yeah, I used to be a reverse peak commuter on the LIRR from East New York to Mineola... Sometimes I'd stop off at that infamous corner store at Sutphin/Archer, depending on which train I caught (usually was the 5:39am, if I just missed the 5:24am), so I'm well aware of what & how the immediate area around LIRR Jamaica is around that time of the morning.... To be clear, my last post isn't to say that the Q34 should be ignored (which it appears that's how you took it), my point is that the proposed Q61 isn't solely comprised of the portion of the current Q34 it would supersede (reading that side discussion would have someone think it is).... Quite frankly, I think the Q34 should be kept, without even having that proposed Q61 come to fruition - and not just because of said portion of the Q34 it would take the place of....

The focus in this discussion here is being had on the current Q34 (in regards to that proposed Q61), but AFAIC that proposed Q61 boils down to how they're deciding to break up the current Q16.... While I do think the Q16 should be broken up, the way they're doing it with the proposed Q61 & Q62 leaves much to be desired.... I don't see there being enough "there" there for a rush hour only service along Willets Point Blvd. to/from Flushing.... And as for that Q62 (whose span is broader than the Q61), IDK what's with this fixation with Utopia Pkwy up there, but a Crocheron - Utopia Pkwy route to Ft. Totten just screams fail to me....

Yeah, the demand is still there along S. Orange av..... I mean, I understood getting rid of those Maplewood trips, but I still think they should've kept some service to/from Livingston Mall (or even tried their hand sending buses to Short Hills Mall instead, after serving St. Barnabas Hosp.).... At this rate, if buses aren't going to pan past S. Orange Center, they may as well have all trips ending at Dover st.... Anyway, with that information you listed, was that of buses heading towards Dover st. or towards Newark-Penn?

I'm not certain on this, but IINM, the Q31 actually has better service during the rush (while the Q30 has better off peak service)....

Nah, not the new/shifted Utica stop..... I'm saying another stop on the B12 along the route still got an old Cypress Hills sign...

IDK about you, but whenever I'm around Jamaica, I notice more Q31's than I do Q30's rolling around.... Back when the Q30 used to run better than it does today, Q31's used to run few & far between.... You would have been hard pressed to have seen bunching on the Q31 (nevermind with the regularity that it does these days) back in the '90's & the 2000's.... The way I see it, they're slyly using both routes in a complementary fashion between Jamaica & HHE/Utopia, while having all Q31 trips running to Bayside, while severing Q30 service past HHE/Utopia.... In other words, they're prioritizing Bayside over Little Neck. ...and to think that once upon a time, the MTA had weekend service eliminated on the Q31.

Yes, because routes getting cut & riders being unaware of it is so comical.....

There's a guy around here in my area that has an old NJT paratransit vehicle that's being used for dollar van service here in Brooklyn.... IDK how many different former public transit paratransit vehicles are being operated around here as dollar van services.... Hell, there's a guy on my block with a rabbit transit vehicle (which I never heard of, up until I googled it some odd years ago, when I first saw that bright ass red vehicle out here).....

What routes do Rockland Coaches even have left? Earlier this year (around when Spring ended or so) when I took the #836 Asbury, the b/o (who actually dapped up everyone that boarded & (left through the front door) - Me included) was talking to a couple passengers that was sitting towards the front of the bus & had mentioned that "our contract was up next year." (his words)... Dude appeared to be pretty happy about it, but that's neither here nor there... I'd like to know what happened in the meantime between time for NJT to take over those Monmouth routes this October....

Exactly, so there'd be virtually no other reason outside of traffic setbacks for the Q30 on the Little Neck end for buses to starting up late... As for the Q12 vs. the Q30 in terms of reliability, while I don't disagree, the Q12 for starters is simply more frequent than the Q30 to/from Little Neck.... Unfortunately, Missing/Unfilled trips are a growing problem in the industry altogether.... There's a need for more drivers across the board. Nah, having current Q15's & those proposed Q20's run up to Beechhurst would overserve that area.... My point in pointing out that the current Q15/a garners more usage north of the CIP over the pre-2010 Q14 & Q15 is a testament to just how low patronage used to be up there, compared to today....

Appeal in terms of what? It's existence in the network? The route is definitely needed.....

Yup, I've also had that very thing happen before!! Never complained or got irritated though, because on Saturdays way back when, all it meant was a shorter wait at JVM for the BL-16

Not anymore for me, it isn't. My favorite part of the old BL-12 was always that stint north of downtown Armonk (beginning from when it turned off Main st onto Armonk rd), on up to JVM..... May be dreary to some, but I loved the scenery along Armonk rd...... The ride in/out of the colleges were okay-ish to me, but TBH, I never really cared for the ride through the airport on the BL-12.... Same way I feel about the ride on the S57 (Suffolk county) through LI MacArthur..... What I do kind of miss from a fanning perspective (in a torturous kind of way... lol) is back when buses actually served every terminal inside JFK... But yeah, when they cut the BL-12 to Armonk, I just didn't care to want to fan it anymore.

Sure, but what difference would it really make if an altered version of their proposed Q39 went to WBP, compared to their proposing of the B62 running even deeper in Queens, up to Astoria? At that point, an attempt at nomenclature consistency would merely be splitting hairs at best & all for naught at worst.... Regardless, I don't think either will end happening.... The b/o's are going to take their allotted layovers on each end of the route regardless if they arrive at a terminal on time, or if they arrive at a terminal late.... Yeah, there are b/o's that abuse their layover time, but for the most part, I'm inclined to believe what you're describing with the Q30 are drivers arriving at the terminal late - Which gives off an illusion to passengers that b/o's are intentionally leaving late (as if they arrived at a given terminal on time).... As was already said, that level of traffic along HHE can easily set the Q30 back... That last bit about the MTA sending out warnings when certain buses are late or whatever, is a completely separate issue from bus bunching... For what you're asking for, you're simply not going to get that level of customer service from this agency.... Yeah those folks up there complained about buses terminating around that triangle back then... You also had a couple of patrons of the neighborhood "protest" the Q15a along 10th av. when that route inaugurated..... Not trying to be funny, but Whitestone's demographics has significantly changed since the Q14 got phased out & the Q15a was created.... White population's declined & there are more Asians & Hispanics up there now (similar to Bensonhurst's demographical shift, except there are more Asians & less Hispanics there than in Whitestone).... I remember fanning that route (Q14) & that shit used to tank at the Cross Island Pkwy anyway... You would even have b/o's going on whole layover's on the north side of the service road.... The Q15 was always more popular than the Q14 back then..... Today's Q15/a carries way more people north of the Cross Island Pkwy. than the Q14 & Q15 did, pre-2010.... Most of the Q15's usage north of the Cross Island back then, consisted of LeHavre apartment residents.... That's clearly not the case today. With that said, nothing should be terminating in that part of Whitestone.

The B103 always ran on Glenwood rd. - albeit between the Glenwood houses & E. 80th..... That sign on the corner of Glenwood & Williams (lol) was put there in error, around the time that scaffolding was put up on that corner (I wanna say that was sometime in 2020 or 2021).... Can't say I'm surprised it's still up, because there's still a bus stop along the B12 (don't remember which stop, right this second) that has the Cypress Hills signage up on it... Smfh.... As for that EB B12 stop at Utica being shifted across the street... Guess they got tired of replacing the glass at the bus shelter... At some point, they removed the entire shelter (with buses still stopping there) - Then next thing you know, the whole dam stop (pole) was gone.... Hit me by surprise that morning when I first noticed the stop shift...... Whatever the reason for it being moved was, I'm not in favor of it... Petty, but now I gotta cross Utica to get to White Castle, instead of being dropped off right there....

Sadly

Just noticed this reply... AFAIC, that Q15/19 combination is a more blatant example than the Q10/Q64 combination of being a cost cutting measure.... As if it weren't enough that the route would pan along Roosevelt (which'll make it more useful, although subjecting it to more traffic than the current {unofficial} nonstop portion of the Q19 b/w Astoria/108th & Northern/Main), they got it swinging up & over to the old Q14 terminal in Whitestone... SMFH.... I mean, while I get that they're trying to curtail the amount of buses terminating in Downtown Flushing, you still have to (or, at least Should) consider the quality of these routes that you're trying to create/alter.... As for whether I see the proposed Q10 or the proposed Q19 sticking, fortunately I do not (not that that means much of anything in the grand scheme of things)..... My guesses would be that: the Q10 on the northern end would be left alone some type of routing change would still occur with the Q64 (I don't see it ending up being left as-is, although I think it should) they'll amend/waver on having the Q19 end in Flushing via Roosevelt (because I don't see them bending on that Q50 extension to LGA), and... have the Q15 on: the southern end terminate somewhere along that pocket of College Pt. Blvd b/w Booth Memorial & the HHE... They have the proposed Q16 ending over there south of that Home Depot, which won't fly... Too much truck traffic & (onloading & offloading) of trucks on those backblocks in that immediate vicinity... the northern end of the Q15, I'd say that they'd put the Q15 back over there at the LeHavre apartments (current Q15/a terminal), to have the proposed Q20 truncated either [somewhere along the Cross Island Pkwy. service rd.] or [the College Point shopping center, with the Q76]...

I'll say this much... Instead of having that portion of the proposed B62 run between WBP & the Astoria projects [via 21st in Queens & via the old B61 (Red Hook - Queens Plaza) routing in Williamsburg (which has it bypassing WBP) ], I would turn the proposed Q39 away from Sunnyside & have it pan southwards towards Brooklyn to WBP, via the current B32 routing south of 44th Drive.... The thing that exacerbated the Q60 along (the service road of) QB was the implementation of those bike lanes... To be fair to the MTA, the vast majority of bus bunching that occurs city-wide is not intentional.... There are a few factors that contribute to bus bunching that they have no real control over.... I want to agree with this idea more (as it would cut down on time to get to/from the QB line), but I have to say/admit that the (current) Q88 is the perfect storm for those kids.... Subway station that's right there at the mall, that has a bus right there that takes you to the college.... Although the proposed Q88 would still accomplish that, the running of it to LNP/HHE is going to mar it - which could have those kids gravitating to such Q64's that'd directly serve Queens College more.....

Routes should be not be extended somewhere on the sole basis of possibilities being possible.... I mean, stating that you benefit from connectivity isn't really saying anything; if you transfer from any one mode to another, you benefit from connectivity.... To convey that point is implicative of the notion that nothing should connect to anything, which certainly nobody here has espoused.... So yeah, this isn't a network coverage issue; increased connectivity when reconfiguring a network only matters if enough riders stand to benefit from it.... I get that you want to refrain from discussing this aspect of it, but this is a cost-cutting measure with this combination.... You mentioned the line for waiting pax. at Kew Gardens, well the depth of the line for pax. on QB off 108th won't noticeably dissipate either.... Ditto for the line of people at Lefferts AIRTrain that would wait for the proposed Q10 of sorts.... This particular route proposal just screams unmanageable logistical mess to me.... I refuse to support a combination of 2 routes much of no one is really advocating for, that would negatively affect so many commuters' current commutes on both routes.... For their respective distances traveled, the Q64 & the Q10 already do quite well for themselves in the passengers per mile department, so it's clearly not an issue of lack of ridership on either route.... With that said, your comments in that paragraph regarding reliability are general issues that certainly need to be addressed... So yeah, agreed. Like I alluded to in the last post though, technological advances (like OMNY) isn't going to be nearly enough to make this particular proposal plausible or popular amongst patrons along/around the route... What some folks tend to not factor in (when they're all for speeding buses up by having all these stops be eliminated), is that dwell times would increase per stop - as there are less stops along the route for people to catch their bus at... Which, of course, assumes nominal to no ridership losses....

Ever since they cut the route back from JVM (which is more or less a ghost town now ), I've lost interest in wanting to fan that route....

Yeah It was, but now Jetblue is at Terminal B.

Still on the main road huh.... alright, thanks.

Speaking of Utica/Eastern Pkwy, do they still have the B14 picking up on the main road, or does it pick up on the service road (with the B17) like it used to?

Should read: "Lastly, the lines at Kew Gardens likely not being any different for the proposed Q10 in comparison to the current Q10...." Conceptually, I don't mind what they're doing with the proposed Q67 (although I would transform the Q67 by diverting & extending it eastward towards Woodhaven to attempt to draw more commuters to it, over merely attaching the southern portion of the current Q39 to it)... The proposed Q39 OTOH looks like a piecemealed route - even if you knew absolutely nothing about Queens' current network... Not that it's this ideal terminal per se, but at least the Q18 terminating over at 69th/Grand makes more sense than having this proposed Q39 end over there... I would say that 69th/Grand is a stub for the proposed Q39, but the proposed Q39 appears to have no direction (pun unintended)..... Rather, random. IINM, Frontier's out of Terminal A also... But yeah, that's it... Just those 2.

Yeah, I also saw those cuts to their service spans as a precursor to complete discontinuation. Slangily speaking, I read this as "...but there's simply no way we can continue to do so.... So, 'one' " (as if to say Deuces... Later.... Peace out...)