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What's different tho? Neither of them are operating in SBS service so technically there is no reason to have SBS buses on a local route unless its an interline or a "put-in." In a way this could also be quite confusing for people who don't pay attention to destination signs (you would be surprised how many people don't). If they have then run on weekends, people could start thinking SBS runs on weekends True, not only does it keep the mileage down, but when they begin to rotate the buses out for higher mileage buses it will work out better in the long run, and overall the fleet will have the lowest mileage (by average) of any bus type.

Fellas. Please move these side conversations to Fleet and Dpeots. This is not a general discussion thread. It is for moves and transfers only.

I agree, and even to the extent of the new XD40’s coming in now. Bare minimum with 20. As of now I have 7500-7519 going there. Subject to change at any moment of course.

Sure they could, but why? It's not really silly at all. They aren't local buses. By that logic we may as well use them overnight on routes like the B44, B46, and every other SBS route that doesn't operate 24 hour service.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/brt/downloads/pdf/brt-south-brooklyn-b82-mar2018.pdf No. Same as the existing LTD service. Very true. EN will run these when needed on Subway Shuttles only. Naw, these are for SBS and shuttle service only. The only fixed-routes that see them are interlines.

Double Deckers will be restricted to Express operations only for the time being. Remember MTA changed a few specs, which include the rear doors. I do however think Grand actually has 2 lemons on their hands. 0020, and 9502. Those 2 can't seem to ever make service, or stay in service. Dude..... This is how rumors get started..... Some routes don't need to be redesigned at all. They just need their time structure, headways, transfer time points, and frequencies redesigned.

Thing is, this isn't really needed at this point. Not a bad plan at all, however with the new buses coming in it doesn't really matter. Castleton and Charleston are the only 2 SI depots that maintain MCI's at this point, so the parts stock are restricted to those 2 for the most part now. There's really no need to consolidate, and it would actually cause the fleet to be a bit unbalanced in terms of mileage. They are where they are now for those reasons actually. When the new buses come in, QV will swap some buses again because on what you mentioned above. It gets a bit weird when it comes to express buses and they don't really follow the same "consolidation plan" that the local fleet is transitioning to. In a way, it looks to be quite the opposite in the future as some of the Prevost Express buses could head to bus company. The buses that travel beyond the borders are still city buses only. They aren't operating regular service anywhere outside of New York City. Only providing service to and from the city. There has always been talk of MTA taking over some of the other agencies simply because MTA is State Controlled. However, it's not likely to ever happen after the LI Bus/Nice situation. MTA will likely just maintain it's leasing agreements with Westchester and Nassau Counties for fare collection services. When the new fare system is introduced, Bee and NICE will have no choice but to upgrade theirs as well. The totals have already been decided and the actual units and deliver have changed yet again. Be patient. Right. They are not even bothering to change them anymore. The only depot that seems to be concerned about it is LaGuardia, and they need to be concerned about maintenance and making service. Not some damn titles. I'm so over that depot right now....... Transit used to be real anal about titles, and they finally started seeing my point. No one cares except some union members and die-hard employees. 90% of the riders don't even know the difference. I haven't seen one RTS bus here in Brooklyn back from LG, and EC that they have changed back to NYC Bus. Hell, ENY even has 2 4800's that say MTA Bus just to prove a point that they should all say the same thing. It's a waste of time, money, resources and man hours to change some titles when legally there is absolutely nothing wrong with having NYC bus on all of them. Historically, MTA's priorities have been in all the wrong places and I continue to work every day to change that.

It's no longer a regional bus system now that they no longer have LI Bus. Public's branding across the board is New York City Bus now. The only difference is the titles on the buses. However for official purposed allnaperations are classified NYC Bus. Not Regional Bus. Therefore I think all buses should wear NYC Bus titles. If our buses traveled outside of the city or we still had LIB, then I would say just leave it plain MTA. But all MTA buses are NYC only now. I don't really think that matters. To the public, current branding, and when you call 511 it's all NYC Bus which is the new branding anyway. No matter if it's TA, OA, or BC, it's all NYC Bus. May as well put NYC bus on all the buses. That's how it's always been and I think that small insignificant part of our history should remain. Of nearly 6000 buses, less than 5% have pealing titles and that doesn't really matter seeing as buses are repainted every few years anyway. I think all agency vehicles should remain as MTA NYC Subway, NYC Bus, LIRR, MTNR, B&T. I think just plain old MTA is boring, and apparently so do my colleagues at ENY. 🤷🏾‍♂️ Just my opinion, but I did advocate for it to remain and eventually replace MTA Bus titles as well. By then when the new fareboxes and radios arrive any bus can be loaned to any Depot because they will all have the same system with the same programming for the first time. All destination sign codes are said to be merged together as well.

It's not a Staten Island thing. It's a MTA thing. We have a thing called a Leader/Follower system. A lot of people thing when 2 buses arrive at the same time it is because they are bunched. However more times than not this is not the case. As one bus leaves a terminal, another is scheduled directly in front or behind it. This is done on every MTA local route that has high ridership. Say the schedule says bus is due 5:02, and 2 buses come. The next scheduled bus may be at 5:09, and one of the 2 buses you just saw is not on a public schedule. On local routes with standard 40 foot buses, they can get packed to a standing load sometimes at the first stop. So with this system the leader and follower chase each other down the line easing the load off the other. So more than one bus may be scheduled internally, but show up as one on the schedule because it's guaranteed that one will be to capacity. Now that the B35 has gone articulated for example, a follower typically leaves a few minutes later now. This is used at rush hour for most routes, and other times during the day and evenings for heavy routes like the B6 and others. You all ever notice how the operators blow the horn (usually 2 short beep beeps) when passing the other? This is a signal that either the leader or follower is passing. It's also a safely alert that a bus is passing.

If you all want to make general comments on the fleet, please do so in the Fleet & Depots thread. This thread is reserved solely for moves and transfers. Not discussion about them. This is how moves or other important transfer information get buried and we all miss things that were already mentioned.

Again, all the assignments have been changed. The only thing confirmed is the new totals being allotted to which depots. Now I am just waiting on @The Real to confirm the new ones. I also have a few other updates that I will post once I have consulted with him, and my other sources about moves, transfers, pending deliveries, the accelerated LFS delivery. He will post the actual assignments when then are available.

The B82 Detour is as follows Effective now until completion: Stillwell Avenue Bound Only - via Cropsy, Left on Neptune, Right on Stillwell, Left into Stillwell Terminal. Canarsie routing is pending.

Lol. That's true. Maybe you should contact Clever and tell them they need to invent a system that knows when the bus is turning vs. merging. The "Please Move Away From The Doors" absolutely needs to stay. Too many people throughout history have activated the rear door interlock by pushing or leaning on the rear door. Once that interlock is thrown Personally I love that, and here in Brooklyn of someone stands in the rear door and that warning continues, people will yell at them. Since that system has been put in place the only known interlock issues have happened with older buses. From and operational standpoint, and being a mechanic I would rather have that. I have told countless people over the years not to stand in the rear stepwell of RTS and Orion buses. The wheelchair lifts on those buses could engage the interlock as well The rear interlock was engaged on my RTS and it's an issue I have to deal with now. The bus won't move unless I put it in bypass. The average MTA operator does not know how to bypass, and even if they did it's not safe, not good for the health of the bus, and probably wouldn't be allowed anyway. I still see people start pushing on the doors before the bus stops to this day. Thank God Vapor makes some really good doors or door assemblies and it's never been a major issue or happened often. All of our buses have them by the way. Old and new.

See comment below. That's the College Shuttle. I don't think I've ever been on it when it wasn't packed lol. Great idea. I'm on it. They are always on, just Out Of Service outside of SBS hours. There are only 2 SBS routes that have 24 hour service. so all the others are turned off when the buses aren't running. Unfortunately doesn't work like that. There is no sensor that tells the bus how many people are on it. So it actually doesn't make sense to have an option where it can be turned off. The MTA wants to remind everyone to exit through the rear. If this was an option operators would forget to turn it back on or leave it off all together. Same with "Bus Is Turning." The system is activated when the turn signals are activated. There is no way to separate that and even if there was I'm sure MTA won't spend the money on that type of technology.

You have been officially warned. You are not continuously violating the first rule of this forum. No we are going to chat here, because this not a general public discussion. First off, I always use/say bro. You don't know my energy, but you are about to get a crash course right now. And as a matter of fact. New policy starting right now. You have 1 warning to remain on topic and will then be removed from there on. I see I have to go back to being the old East New York I was when I started here 10 years ago. That 25 year old didn't have a filter and would suspend any account without warning for violation of any rules and policies. I want everyone to take a moment. If you want to comment of fleet and depot moves MOVE IT TO A NEW THREAD OR POST IN FLEET & DEPOTS. In addition, I'm going to review every NYCTF user account effective immediately. If anyone has been previously banned and created a new account I will know, and they be suspended indefinitely with no questions asked. If anyone has an associated account (meaning you and your friend signed up for an NYCTF account from the same computer or network) it will be subject for suspension as well. Again, everyone needs to be familiar with the rules, regulations and policies of both NYCTF as well as The Metropolitan Transportation Authority. Effective (immediately) 3pm, Friday September 21st I will be going back to my old ways of automatic suspensions for any rule violations, or posting of material or discussion that violates and MTA rule or policy as well. If your account is suspended, you may or may not be notified. If you cannot sign in, your entire account has been suspended. If you cannot post, that means your privileges have been suspended. Welcome to NYCTF 4.2 The buck stops here. https://www.nyctransitforums.com/guidelines/

Yeah, I missed that memo..... 🧐 However, I did forget that it’s the only one that’s weekday only so it would make sense in MTA’s mind to keep it the same. Since I’ve never been on the B82 on the weekend it’s been out of sight and out of mind. Thank you all for the correction too. I totally forgot about that. Mine thing that I have noticed is that seeing as the current SBS buses are going to have less mileage on them, especially the ones on the B82, I definitely see them being swapped out In the future for other buses.

It’s been there for 18 days bro, lol Yes. I have been advocating for all the buses, both Transit and Bus Company to carry New York City Bus titles. I think it goes well with the future branding and the guys over here in Brooklyn at ENY think they look better as well. Looks like we started a trend lol. Yet again.

No lol. That platform is dead. We were only able to get them (185-672) because Chicago's CTA cancelled an option order for artics, therefore the parts were available. Under the body however, our C40's are the only 4G's are very similar to our XN40's. I definitely agree. Lane enforcement needs to be addressed immediately. Many delays are caused by unauthorized vehicles in the lanes. When I'm in my Nova RTS in a bus lane, I push people out of it lol. If I'm not in a rush, I will pull up behind you and lay on my horn to the point where people outside get so tired of hearing it that they start yelling at hoever is in the lane. 😂 SBS isn't always all about speeding up the corredor. The main reason for implementation is reducing dwell times, and reducing the amount of times the bus has to merge in and out of traffic. The northern portion of the B46, and the Nostrand Avenue portion of the B44 never have clear bus lanes, and dollar vans and cabs here in Brooklyn add to an already major problem. So in this part of the city we get it worse than anyone else.

We don't have any weekday only SBS service. All are 7 day service, and 2 are 24 hour.

I agree lol. No doubt they are getting worked hard, but it's no excuse for some of these buses to look like the only time they get water is when it rains. The SBS wrap is peeling off some of them. Many of them have rear end damage from tail-swing. I have also noticed that on 2 occasions now JK has sent XD60's to ENY for maintenance/maintenance training.

After further reviewing the documents you all mentions I have noticed a couple errors. SBS deferral after the B82 is definitely incorrect, even though it's posted in Black and white I can assure you it is wrong. It is about that time now. They all need to be in place within the next 6 month. More proof that those board materials are wrong, but this isn't the first time. One major incident was MTA saying they were ordering NF C40LFR's and I disputed the claims, saying that NFI would be resurrecting the C40LF from the grave solely for MTA. New Flyer even contacted Harry, then emailed me to ask where this information came from because they were not notified of MTA's pending plan. Everyone basically stoned me to death and called me all types of liars ..... The rest is history. Flawless Victory. Now we have the only 4th gen C40's in existence. So trust me when I say that MTA document is wrong.

Random thought of the day: La Guardia's Maintenance manager needs his whole ass whipped. I did a Service & Maintenance eval on the Q52/53, and I don't think I have ever been that disgusted with a depots maintenance, or lack there of I should say. In my 10 years plus of being a transit consultant, this is just insane. Transit is going to have a heart attack when they get those XD60's back from LG. The shit is about to hit the fan. If I were in charge of fleet ops, I would make LG keep them and take all of their new ones. JK is doing a much better job. 80% of LG's don't even look like they have been cleaned all year. On top of trash maintenance, they are 5 buses short for the Q53, and act as if it's going to kill someone to replace them with hybrids or XD40's. I would rather have a standard bus than no bus at all, and I'm sure customers would feel the same way. What type of stupid ass shit are they allowing over there? Just when I think LG is getting better they prove to me its still Triboro Coach Corp wrapped in MTA Blue. Definitely time for East New York to step in..... 🤬

To clarify, the Nova LFS buses are going to replace the first of the hybrids. They will later be replaced by hybrid and electric buses in the future. I would also like to remind you that if you want to have any discussion about the fleet, depots, and/or details, please do so in the Fleet & Depots thread. This many be a hobby for all of us, but for some of us this is actually our job. The top contributors are either transit personnel or transit consultants like myself. I am the one who fed everyone this information because I know what is happening. They were simply telling you that it was only 10 buses on the first hybrid order. I greatly appreciate when NYCTF members/users actually take initiative and engage in conversation as well. This way, some of the rest of us can do our jobs. So if people in here can read you should have already known that the first of the OG's weren't going anywhere other than MTA Bus at the moment.......... 🤔🙄Pot calling the kettle black a bit? You are the one who got all sensitive when addressed. So I'm a bit confused... Where was your humility? First off, you sir need to calm down and relax a bit. You are the one who actually came in here all "hype" as you say. For a new member that's not really a good look because they were only trying to fill you in on what is going on. Many of us here are quite aggressive with our language, and if that's too much for you, this may not be the forum for you. So before you tell someone to watch your mouth, please check yours first. Im arguably one of the most aggressive people here, so if I noticed that about you, it's something you may want to take a look at. This isn't an attack on you, but I am letting you know how things work here. I am The Senior Moderator and Community Manager of this forum as a whole. I am also not part of the new generation either, so please watch YOUR mouth, and practice what you preach and we will all get along just fine. Even if and when we don't agree. That's what humble is my guy. Feel free to DM me if you would like to continue this discussion. Furthermore, this discussion does not belong here as I said and will be moved as soon as I get the chance. Carry on.

It was probably there for transport, training, or operator qualification. It could have been a Command Center bus as well. No, maintenance only needs to stay fresh on the buses they have in the fleet unless it is a CFM. I was actually referencing your hybrid question, and mistakenly quoted the wrong post. As far as the RTS, if you knew the number I could find out why it was there. I can still find out, but it will require a bit of work.

5993 was actually the first one posted along with 5987. lol. It's all good. No biggie, and my apologies about 5994. I never hit submit on that one. Any bus in the system can be loaned to any depot accept the electric buses. They don't charge bus batteries in a manner like you would charge regular rechargeable batteries. These batteries can't be recharged. They are either conditioned or replaced by the Vendor which, which is A123 Systems. They are the manufacturer for the li-ion batteries. BAE is the manufacturer of the Lead Acid batteries, (OG's and the first batch of NG's) but if I recall correctly they are out of warranty and MTA handles maintenance, and replacement.